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InTonguesslut -> H = R / E (3/30/2009 4:45:30 PM)

A book i'm reading suggests happiness equals reality divided by expectation, hence the H=R/E title [:D] This then would suggest the more expectations we have the less happiness we would tend to have due to expectations not being met.
For example if Dom A has 25 expectations of his sub and Dom B has 10 then obviously Dom A has a higher happiness number. This is assuming reality is the same number for all of us.
Dom A - 100 / 25 = 4
Dom B - 100 / 10 = 10
 
I'm not saying i agree with this theory or it's results but i do wonder if anyone stops to think whether they can live up to the expectations put on them, or the expectations they put on others?
Surely it is better to lower our expectations and find higher happiness in someone meeting the ones we do put in place, than to have higher expectations and find sadness when they are not met?
 
Just for clarity i'm not talking about settling here per se. Settling for less than what we need of course is not really feasible for most. I'm talking about the every day kind of expectations which are put into place.
For example Sir expects texts most of the day so he knows where i am and what i'm up to. He expects a diary every day and he expects me to be up at 9am, in bed by midnight.
Not unreasonable as i see it and very easy to keep up with. However if he starts to pile more and more expectations on me then the chances are i'm going to let him down in one or more of them. As the theory above shows the more expectations the lower the happiness rate due to possibility of not meeting them.




LovingMistress45 -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 5:25:23 PM)

I think what is needed is to make sure your reality and expections match.  The problem occurs when you have expectations not based in the reality of your life situation.  I don't think it is really a mathmatical formula.  But if in my reality I have a submissive that can provide me with 6 action and I expect those 6 or maybe even 5 then I will find I am pleased.  However, if I have chose a sub that only give me 3 and I continue to expect 5 or 6 I will be disappointed.

This is in line with "Most people are as happy as they make up their minds to be." a quote from Abe Lincoln




cpK69 -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 5:47:41 PM)

Expectations become a problem when we start to place them on others. It is okay for me to expect a productive D/s relationship for myself, it is not okay for me to expect it will be with anyone specific.
Kim




SailingBum -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 5:57:20 PM)

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne




InTonguesslut -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:02:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne



I never stated any different.
It would be your actions in placing reasonable levels of expectation that would bring you happiness at their meeting or sadness in their non - meeting surely?
 




Andalusite -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:10:59 PM)

I don't think that more expectations necessarily means someone will be unhappy or have more trouble finding a partner - someone who has a big laundry list will hopefully find a compatible person who wants to be micromanaged. Personally, most of my expectations have more to do with the vanilla aspects of a relationship - I need chemistry, someone who's interesting to talk with, someone who's local and has enough time that they can spend it with me regularly, etc. I think that's fairly realistic. If I were in a D/s relationship, the specific expectations would depend a lot on the interaction with my partner.




cpK69 -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:12:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne



I never stated any different.
It would be your actions in placing reasonable levels of expectation that would bring you happiness at their meeting or sadness in their non - meeting surely?
 


Your happiness at their meeting, is expecting them to make you happy.
 
Kim




Andalusite -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:26:33 PM)

Expectations for a meeting is very different to me than expectations for a relationship. For an initial meeting, they need to be interesting to talk with, and reasonably gentlemanly. [:D] If it works out for more, fantastic, but I try not to build someone up in my head until they have no resemblance to the actual person!




cpK69 -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:46:27 PM)

Poor choice of words in expressing my thoughts.

Using your example:

I can meet with someone with expectations toward continuing the relationship in a particular direction, but to expect the person I am meeting, will fulfill those expectations, places it on them.

Disappointment comes in when the one expecting, finds their perception of the other person was inaccurate.

Kim




MasterG2kTR -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 6:54:29 PM)

Set the bar low and you are less likely to be disappointed




subangi -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 8:34:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne

But, but....BadOne,  you make me happy.




SailingBum -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 9:11:13 PM)

quote:

A book i'm reading suggests happiness equals reality divided by expectation,
quote:

ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne



I never stated any different.
It would be your actions in placing reasonable levels of expectation that would bring you happiness at their meeting or sadness in their non - meeting surely?
 


A book i'm reading suggests happiness equals reality divided by expectation, 
dunno first line in your post???  As if somehow the expectation differential  level bet 2 choices will magically change your happiness.  Am I missing something here.

I live in a city where I have to cut my grass <expectations>otherwise they cut it and charge me $150.  I could live in a farm area where I don't have to cut my grass< less expectations>.  Does this affect my happy level?  Not one bit. 

BadOne




SailingBum -> RE: H = R / E (3/30/2009 9:19:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subangi

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne

But, but....BadOne,  you make me happy.


Well there is that.  I suspect I gotta do something about your expectation level of me.  So I can make you miserable.  Lemme get back to you on dat.

BadOne




Padriag -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 1:58:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

A book i'm reading suggests happiness equals reality divided by expectation, hence the H=R/E title [image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s2.gif[/image] This then would suggest the more expectations we have the less happiness we would tend to have due to expectations not being met.
For example if Dom A has 25 expectations of his sub and Dom B has 10 then obviously Dom A has a higher happiness number. This is assuming reality is the same number for all of us.
Dom A - 100 / 25 = 4
Dom B - 100 / 10 = 10
 
I'm not saying i agree with this theory or it's results but i do wonder if anyone stops to think whether they can live up to the expectations put on them, or the expectations they put on others?
Surely it is better to lower our expectations and find higher happiness in someone meeting the ones we do put in place, than to have higher expectations and find sadness when they are not met?
 

Sounds like very flawed logic to me.  Someone is trying to reduce things to simple math... life just doesn't work that way.  Less is not always more... and more does not always lead to less.  Sometimes having more and higher expectations leads to happiness... sometimes to ruin.  The same can be said of having fewer or lower expectations, in some cases that's the right choice, sometimes its the wrong one.

What life has taught me is this, that all disappointment comes from unrealistic expectations.  There are times and situations in life where high expectations are both reasonable and realistic and do not lead to disappointment.  There are also times and situations in life where high expectations are both unreasonable and unrealistic... and having them anyway absolutely will lead to disappointment.  The trick is having the wisdom to know the difference.

To apply that to your last two questions... people should stop and think about the expectations they have of others, are they reasonable, are they realistic?  If they are, great, if not you have a problem.

Is it better to lower those expectations of that person in order to be happy... not necessarily... and that part of it just isn't simple.  Were your expectations unreasonable or did you just pick the wrong person, or was it a little of both?  Those questions often don't have easy answer and sometimes they carry emotional consequences people may not wish to face.  I've watched people stay in relationships in which they were not happy, simply because they would not face the reality of it.  They could not bring themselves to deal with the consequences of accepting the truth.




eyesopened -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 2:31:36 AM)

I mention this in about every third post I respond to.  The definition of disappointment is when circumstances fail to meet our expectations.  We write and internal script and since no one else has read our script the play bombs.

What if we change expectation to goal?  Having a goal means we first know what we want and a goal should suggest that we have come up with some idea of how it is achieved or at least a direction to travel.  It is far less depressing to say "I haven't yet reached my goal" than to say "I guess I'll have to lower my expectations."  A goal is a horizon, an expectation is a wall.




DesFIP -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 3:21:30 AM)

I wouldn't say that if you have less expectations you will by default be happier. I would think that it entirely depends on how realistic your expectations are. If you expect a dom will always be in total strict control, then if he prefers to spend football season watching all the games while you make your own decisions as to what to wear, when to grocery shop etc you will hit an unfulfilled expectation. Unfulfilled not because it was one expectation too many, but because it was unrealistic to expect he will never want to do anything else besides make you jump through hoops for his amusement.

Are your expectations realistic when it comes to the other person? The only way to know is not to hold them inside, but to talk about each one.




InTonguesslut -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 6:20:59 AM)

quote:

I live in a city where I have to cut my grass <expectations>otherwise they cut it and charge me $150.  I could live in a farm area where I don't have to cut my grass< less expectations>.  Does this affect my happy level?  Not one bit. 

Then i would suggest you enjoy mowing your lawn and it gives you the happies. I know mowing a lawn would definately give me the scowls.




persephonee -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 6:30:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subangi

quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Other ppl can't make you happy.  Only you can make YOU happy.

BadOne

But, but....BadOne,  you make me happy.


Hey there, subangi...get offa mah man![;)]. Just kidding, hes way too crabby for me! *blinkblink* but i hear there is a fan club.

On Topic...
intongues was using the word 'meeting' in reference to meeting or achieving the expectation...not meeting someone for the first time or meeting to play.

If my expectations are not met, i look first to see if i had set that expectation too high...either for myself or for my partner. Success is always the goal. i took myself out of consideration with a couple once when i realized that i was never going to be able to meet their expectations of their potential sub. More out of a need to please than anything else. If my life interferes with the dominant's wants or expectations and i would be disappointing more often than pleasing, neither of us is happy.

i find that setting the bar too low is not satisfactory either.
With most things in life, its balance that makes for the most happiness.




RCdc -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 6:32:55 AM)

The amount of expectations isn't the issue.  What they are and whether they are realistic does.
 
the.dark.




lameduck13 -> RE: H = R / E (3/31/2009 6:33:21 AM)

What makes you assume reality is the same for everyone? 

And the only reason I ask is because no one else brought this up in the first place. Reality is what you make it, if you make ur reality a happy one than the number would be lower thus making happiness more obtainable in your formula, how ever if you live a miserable life, have many problems and people are out to get you I feel it'd make ur reality number much higher.

Maybe this won't make sense to you, but it did to me so I thought I'd post it. All variables are definable and there is only one constant in the universe and that is the speed of light and scientist are beginning to think it may not be a constant.




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