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UPSG -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 7:28:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper I'm less than pleased with billions of dollars being funneled from taxpayer to corporation so they can build call centers in Dubai, replacing American jobs. That said, companies take a real beating on the red line for building/assembling in the states... But that does create jobs here. Which is good. (Not trying to boil down an extremely complicated socioeconomic catastrophe in 3 sentences) So, my trusted economic advisors... Do you think it would help in a significant way if US residents demanded and rewarded "Made in the USA?" Do you think we have the integrity to do it? You are my nigga. It takes nuts to ask what you do. Hold tough because you will be assaulted; They will come for you.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 7:49:40 PM)
quote: ....however you do seem to have skated blithely away from the post where i pointed out to you that the engine of the Harrier is manufactured outside of the US, in the UK. Complex machines require a number of specialised manufacturing processes.....the US does not have a monopoly on these and if the US military want the best kit they may sometimes need to buy outside of the US. I never said the U.S. didn't use designs or cooperate with companies that weren't domestic. I simply agreed that the U.S. military requires equipment to be manufactured in the U.S. I am not trying to make a US vs. UK battle over who is more innovative. We share our ideas, and I think that's lovely.

popeye1250 -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 8:18:44 PM)
We can and we should! Any politician who's against it is in the pockets of big business! My life certainly hasn't increased in quality by being able to buy cheap goods from overseas! I saw a bumpersticker once that said: "The best things in life are not things."

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 8:23:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UPSG quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper I'm less than pleased with billions of dollars being funneled from taxpayer to corporation so they can build call centers in Dubai, replacing American jobs. That said, companies take a real beating on the red line for building/assembling in the states... But that does create jobs here. Which is good. (Not trying to boil down an extremely complicated socioeconomic catastrophe in 3 sentences) So, my trusted economic advisors... Do you think it would help in a significant way if US residents demanded and rewarded "Made in the USA?" Do you think we have the integrity to do it? You are my nigga. It takes nuts to ask what you do. Hold tough because you will be assaulted; They will come for you. lolwut?

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 8:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Do remember that a product being made in the U.S.A. does not necessarily mean it was made by U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. Not so important. While I would prefer all people living and working here offer their pies for Uncle Sam to taste, I'd rather illegal labor in the US get work than legal, but "international free trade wage" labor get work in Bangladesh. At least illegal immigrants churn out a meager (usually its pretty meager) living, paying all their money out to US companies. Some of those companies outsource anyways, but some don't. It keeps a little in the family.

rulemylife -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 9:45:19 PM)
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philosophy -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 10:32:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou I never said the U.S. didn't use designs or cooperate with companies that weren't domestic. I simply agreed that the U.S. military requires equipment to be manufactured in the U.S. I am not trying to make a US vs. UK battle over who is more innovative. We share our ideas, and I think that's lovely. ......not just ideas. The powerplant of the Harrier is the heart of the machine. Indeed the very concept of a VTOL aircraft depends on it. That powerplant is not only a product of trans-atlantic design work. It is manufactured outside of the US in the UK. It is the latter point you seem to be shying away from.

MrRodgers -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/27/2009 11:58:36 PM)
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MrRodgers -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 12:02:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou I never said the U.S. didn't use designs or cooperate with companies that weren't domestic. I simply agreed that the U.S. military requires equipment to be manufactured in the U.S. I am not trying to make a US vs. UK battle over who is more innovative. We share our ideas, and I think that's lovely. ......not just ideas. The powerplant of the Harrier is the heart of the machine. Indeed the very concept of a VTOL aircraft depends on it. That powerplant is not only a product of trans-atlantic design work. It is manufactured outside of the US in the UK. It is the latter point you seem to be shying away from. All true yet we now build our own Harriers-types, so where they are made is of little significance.

VanessaChaland -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 12:44:54 AM)
Sorry L&M, I often speak/write with the assumption that the rest of the class can keep up. :) Certain countries should have a higher tax on imports (tariff) depending on their policies (human rights, trade balances between nations, China comes to mind, etc). Other countries should have a lower rate and for some fledgling democracies, almost none. For example Cuba, the embargo the last (near) 5 decades has accomplished nothing for anyone on either side. Efforts should be made to open up trade with them, with low/no tax to stimulate their economy and hopefully persuade them to become a free society and dump/revolt the old senile geezers running the place. My point in going totally USA made, is the lack of competitive pricing (a supply and demand issue) means homegrown CEOs/corps will figure out how to charge us and screw us up the butt (like they have the last few years in other ways). I mean you can have varying methods and practices for individual countries based on a variety of circumstances. Sure trade organizations and treaties might piss their pants, but if its broke, you need to try an alternative and fix it. :) quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster What? quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland No. Isolation and protectionism is not going to benefit us (the average consumer of goods). [snip] We need protective tariff ...

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 2:56:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper I'm less than pleased with billions of dollars being funneled from taxpayer to corporation so they can build call centers in Dubai, replacing American jobs. That said, companies take a real beating on the red line for building/assembling in the states... But that does create jobs here. Which is good. (Not trying to boil down an extremely complicated socioeconomic catastrophe in 3 sentences) So, my trusted economic advisors... Do you think it would help in a significant way if US residents demanded and rewarded "Made in the USA?" Do you think we have the integrity to do it? As a manufacture...as well as an importer.... There is no such thing as "Made in America". There is, however....something such as "Assembled in America".

SilverMark -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 3:13:12 AM)
In many cases we no longer have the means of production. As a buyer of both domestic and imported goods there are categories that I simply do not have an American option. One of the other issues it creates is the pricing within my stores and the competition my stores face every day. I have one company in particular that still builds bedrooms in Southern Va. that are competitive, but just barely and the numbers tell me that the consumer prefers the imported suits by a large margin due to both looks and construction. If I loaded the showroom floors with American made goods(which I would prefer) the only thing that would happen is that my company would end up bankrupt. American consumers are programmed for "more for less". We all want "Made in America" but most of us are not willing to pay for it.

FullCircle -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 8:47:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou The light bulb is an American idea. Yeah but you also chose to make it screw in, do you enjoy standing on a ladder with your arm up in the air twisting your wrist endlessly in awkward angles? Sadly I bought a light fitting with a screw in fixture and it really annoys me. Also technically the light bulb isn't an American concept it's just an American success. I love all this national pride relating to who invented what but how does this help anyone in the here and the now. Does being British mean I am better at inventing Jet Engines Goddamnit! Does being British mean I am capable of turning electricity into motion, or picking up cars with the power of electricity? Does it mean I have within my imagination to conceive an electrical device for regulating grass length through a powered cutting process? Does being British mean I can invent a cure such as Penicillin. Does being British mean I'm capable of chemically altering materials such as rubber to maintain their elasticity through vulcanisation?[8\|] National pride no I say! Better to have individual pride. Also while we are on the subject of Moose Noooooooooo I say No!

rulemylife -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 9:15:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie There is no such thing as "Made in America". There is, however....something such as "Assembled in America". And this is something we should be proud of and strive for?

rulemylife -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 9:30:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark We all want "Made in America" but most of us are not willing to pay for it. Sadly true.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/28/2009 9:38:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie There is no such thing as "Made in America". There is, however....something such as "Assembled in America". And this is something we should be proud of and strive for? Couldn't say....but it would appear that we do regardless.

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Make Made in America Mean Something? (3/30/2009 3:46:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie There is no such thing as "Made in America". There is, however....something such as "Assembled in America". And this is something we should be proud of and strive for? America has changed from an industrial nation to a post industrial nation long ago. There's no more working in the factory my daddy worked in... Those days are gone. (Yes, examples exist, but they are the exception.) As a post industrial nation, our "goods" are high tech, medical (mostly bio-tech, which is high tech), chemicals, weapons design (again, high tech) etc. These are brain power tasks. The guy who used to be able to haul up a mine cart by himself is not rewarded in the new markets. Banking and science... If you're not good at those, then you get to be a support player. To support our money making fields, we need more manual professions. Plumbers, couriers, electricians, waiters, cooks, garbage men, and doctors. These people work to keep our nation working, and there's no shame in that. But none of these people have anything to "show" for their effort. We deal with constructed goods, move them, manipulate them, repair them, set them straight. If things are done well, you never even knew they were there. I guess the question I asked was foolish. There is no Made in America. Only "Designed in America" and "Fed in America." We're a nation of waiters and lawyers. Let's just hope the farmers don't figure it out, a world of waiters and lawyers starves to death...

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