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George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 9:42:46 AM   
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UK MP George Galloway has been denied entry to Canada, a few days after delivering an aid convoy to Gaza which he handed over to an organisation with the means to hand it out, that is the democratically elected government of the territory - that is, Hamas.

This assumedly violates Canadian immigration rules about those aiding terrorist organisations since Hamas is classed as such by Canada and indeed the west in general. Since Mr Galloway has been a regular visitor to Canada in the past despite his contentious connections in the Middle East this decision must be accounted to his involvement with the aid convoy.

But is this a reasonable decision? Clearly, aiding a named terrorist organisation must fall foul, but in this case the terrorist organisation is not the intended recipient of the aid but the facilitator of its distribution as the elected government of the territory and so in possession and control of the means for that distribution.

My impression is that the aid convoy in truth has merely provided an excuse to ban Galloway - his previous visits having been impossible to prevent under the law since he hadnt broken it, though such refusal being the desire of those running Canada because of his views. My impression too is that this is something of a political rather than legal decision since Galloway might say things that are not at all helpful to the Canadian government at this time.

But the greater issue - alike with the banning from the UK of the Dutch MP over his anti-Koran movie - is whether this is in any way a proper way for democracies to proceed, banning certain people because they have things to say which contravene government policy?

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:06:23 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:15:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		While defending his right to free speech, gorgeous George is an embarrassment to the UK. Remember him dressed as a cat on Celebrity Big Brother? He also stood by when Pete Burns abused a black lady on there, his championing of asian people is a self serving stance, seeing as his constituency has many ethnic voters.
He continually promotes himself, while posing as an heroic defender of the weak and oppressed.
His support of and acceptance of gratuities from Saddam Hussein pushes him beyond the pale for me.
His personalty (such as it is) aside it does smack of a soft excuse to ban him, we all know he would trumpet long and loud while there to gain publicity.
Shame he never had the balls to do the same on behalf of the Kurds while on one of his 20 expenses paid visits to Iraq.


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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:17:54 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:20:24 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:41:28 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:45:05 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 10:51:48 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:12:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/20/george-galloway-banned-canada

UK MP George Galloway has been denied entry to Canada, a few days after delivering an aid convoy to Gaza which he handed over to an organisation with the means to hand it out, that is the democratically elected government of the territory - that is, Hamas.

Hamas is not the legally elected government of anything. Hamas is at the kindest a political party. The Palestinian Authority is the legally elected government of Gaza and it has been violently expelled by terrorists. That those terrorists were members of Hamas and that Hamas has propped itself up as the ruling junta in Gaza doesn't change the facts. Galloway gave aid and comfort to a terrorist organization responsible for the intentional murder of thousands of civilians. The UK government has laws governing this behavior and why they aren't being enforced is baffling.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:18:42 AM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm
 
People may not like the choice but it was their choice.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:36:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

That's not how I recall events.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm
 
People may not like the choice but it was their choice.

Then you need to reread that story. Hamas, the political party, won the majority in an election. The legal government remains the PA. That terrorists who are Hamas members threw out the legal government and put in a replacement is irrelevant. It is the same in the UK if the Tories win an election but then a militant arm of the tories were to violently eject the government and then place members of the Tory party in charge that would not somehow make the Tories who were put in power by armed thugs the legally elected government of the UK.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:43:23 AM   
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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:43:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		A majority is a majority you can twist the facts how you like but the PA is defunct entity if the majority don't want to be a part of it. 
 
State source for this violent takeover of government please.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:51:53 AM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6751079.stm
That's what makes Hamas' "government" illegitimate. The PA is the legal government. Hamas didn't like the democratic outcome and violently expelled the legal government.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 11:59:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The legal government is the one with the majority those that want to cling to power and oppose that need to be answered in other ways. Fatah has no more government legitimacy than Hamas, you don’t care about the PA only that people got in that are unfriendly to the west.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 12:02:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The UK government has laws governing this behavior and why they aren't being enforced is baffling.


Hamas as such has not been proscribed as a terrorist group by the UK, although I think it has by Canada and others. The UK only proscribed  the Al Qassam Brigades, which is the military wing. Therefore, the aid convoy didnt break any laws.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 12:12:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

The legal government is the one with the majority those that want to cling to power and oppose that need to be answered in other ways. Fatah has no more government legitimacy than Hamas, you don’t care about the PA only that people got in that are unfriendly to the west.

You don't know what I care about.

I only started this because Ellen claimed Hamas is the legally elected government of Gaza which is untrue.

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 12:22:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Untrue to you but not to the people that voted in the election. If you can't recognise their legitimacy for better or worse then the whole idea of first past the post voting democracy in the west is a load of hypocrisy because we aren’t extending the same rights to others?

Hamas wins the majority vote then Abbas tries to dismiss the government and call another election because he doesn't like the result. What did you think was going to happen next? Was Fatah going to willingly give up PA buildings for the new administration? The whole thing is a farce because it highlights the failure of the tiny thread all governments depend on to survive i.e. bipartisanship.

That is all, but you see it as Hamas stealing power so I have a good idea what you care about and why the hypocrisy of this is justified by yourself.
 
Do we all just keep on dismissing governments until we get one we all like for pity sake?

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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 12:28:58 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas


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RE: George banned from Canada - 3/21/2009 12:37:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		And in June 2007 Hamas threw out the civil government violently and extralegally.  The government they then put in place has not stood for election and is not part of the PA which is the government the 2006 election was for.

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