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Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 10:06:57 PM   
slaveboyforyou


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Status: offline 		Okay, this is not a pleasant question for me.  I have a friend on probation for a felony.  Yeah, I have friends in low places.  She wrote over 2K in hot checks.  She absconded on her probation last year and moved to Austin, TX.  I talked to her right after that, and I told her how stupid it was.  But I'm not her father; I can't tell her what to do. 

Anyway, I haven't talked to her in a couple of months.  I call her number, and I get no answer.  I found that strange, so I suspected something happened.  I looked her name up.  I got back that she had been in Travis County Jail (Austin, TX), and that she'd been transferred.  I assume she'd been transferred back to Arkansas.  But Arkansas doesn't reveal records like that.  I than found out that she'd been booked into the Solano County Jail in California.  The record says she was being transferred. 

So for those that know, is it common for a jail inmate to be transferred out of Texas, to California, than to Arkansas on a probation violation?   If so, why would she need to go through California? 
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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 10:12:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't think of any reason other than if it was a federal crime, which it doesn't sound like it was. My best guess is that she was wanted in California, too, on a different charge, and when they picked her on the probation violation she came up in the computer. The only answer I can think of is she may have committed more offenses than you were aware of. Best of luck to you and her family while she works through this, and good for you for standing by her, at least to some degree. A lot of friends wouldn't.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 10:14:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		      My guess would be she wrote some bad checks in CA as well, or was wanted here on some other warrant.  The other possibility that springs to mind would be there was a federal aspect to her offense, in which case they could ship her damn near anywhere.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 10:31:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		If a person has a probation in one state, then moves or goes to another state, if they are picked up for anything, even a traffic violation, and their name comes up as having an outstanding warrant (even for a parole violation) in another state, the law enforcement people can contact the state where the warrant was issues.  It is up to the state where the warrant was from to decide if they want to pay to have the person extradited back to that state.  If not, they are generally let go.  If it is something minor & there is quite a bit of distance, they may decide their money is spent better on something else rather than the transport cost of getting that person back there.  In the case of multiple states, it may be a matter of being sent back to serve in one, then another.  There may be a certain amount of money that is involved that might make the offense a felony.  I am not sure on that one.  Often, when money is a factor in an offense like that, it can involve drug charges.  Some of those, at least as far as I understand it, can be a felony, as well.  Also to consider, is that during probation or in the case of some of the charges, I believe they can be put on hold & if for some reason the person jumps their sentencing or probation, the original charges can be reinstated.  Often, the charges they are finally convicted of, are less than what the original charges may have been. They can be bargained down during the plea bargain process.  

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 10:51:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		MissIsis, I appreciate the advice.  I understand what you're saying.  My younger brother did 2 years here.  He's kind of an expert on prisons.  But I called him right after I heard this.  He said she could've been picked up by a company that transfers inmates as their business.  Now see, I have never heard of this business.  I was kind of wondering if anyone knew about this sort of business.  It just seems odd to me that she'd be moved from Austin to California, than back to Arkansas.  But I'm not a policeman. 

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 11:02:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes there are plenty of companies that do this sort of work. Anything from bail jumping to transfers. And actually transfers like this happen all the time.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/17/2009 11:06:20 PM   
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MissIsis, I appreciate the advice.  I understand what you're saying.  My younger brother did 2 years here.  He's kind of an expert on prisons.  But I called him right after I heard this.  He said she could've been picked up by a company that transfers inmates as their business.  Now see, I have never heard of this business.  I was kind of wondering if anyone knew about this sort of business.  It just seems odd to me that she'd be moved from Austin to California, than back to Arkansas. 


Oh, yeah, there are private companies that specialize in interstate prisoner transport. The reason i thought that was unlikely was that it didn't seem too probable they'd take her from Texas to Arkansas by way of California. Typically, those companies are paid by the mile, but I don't recall if it's by mile traveled or as the crow flies. The way they make money is by picking up prisoners at several places, dropping them off at hub cities throughout the country, then dispersing them and routing them to their appropriate destinations. Much like a Greyhound bus system with handcuffs. The transport process can take several days, even weeks, depending on where they're taking someone, so I suppose it's possible they'd take her to a hub in California to disperse her to Arkansas - it just seems unlikely with Arkansas being so close to Texas. But I suppose i wouldn't rule it out.


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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 2:25:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Texas is farming out their inmates, there's a bunch here in Indianapolis due to overcrowding in Tx. Chances are Tx made a deal with the Ca prison system.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 7:41:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		And lord knows California needs all the extra money they can get.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 7:59:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I called the Arkansas Department of Community Corrections this morning.  I had to be a prick after they switched me around for awhile, but I eventually got transferred to the director. 

He told me that my friend got picked up on a probation violation.  She hadn't been reporting to her PO, and her move to Texas was a definite violation.  She is currently in custody of a sheriff's office in Arkansas.  From what I was told, she is looking at a prison sentence. 

I'm not happy about this.  She is my friend; I've known her since 2004.  Believe it or not, I met her here on collarme.  I dated her, and that was a mistake.  But I stayed friends with her, and I don't regret that.  She's got some problems, and she makes impulse decisions as a result of those problems.  I told her not to move to Texas in 2008, until she worked it out with her probation officer.  I don't know why she didn't listen.  She's bipolar, and she just does shit like this.  But she is still my friend.  Everyone I know tells me to give up on her, but I can't do that.  I consider friendship to be a life long obligation.  I'm mad at her, and I am irritated with her stupidity.  But I will still visit her when she goes to the joint.  By the way, this isn't a romantic attachment.  She is just my friend, and I wish she wasn't sometimes.  I hate the fact that I actually care about her.  She fucks up so much, and it would be easy to write her off.  But I can't do that for some reason. 

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 8:26:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's good that there are people like you that can maintain a friendship with people like her. I cannot.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 8:35:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is a tough situation, slaveboy.  A person who is bipolar and off their medication can completely wreck their life in a matter of seconds.  You are being very patient and supportive.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 8:38:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Extradition is a funny thing. If you want funny (odd) look at Utah. They came and got a buddy of mine in Ohio for felony DUI, with no accident or injuries. On the other hand his Father is wanted in Texas for damnear killing a guy in a bar with his bare hands, and Utah simply refused to give him up.

Figuring out why the government does what is does is frequenly near impossible. I would concentrat more on where to write to her if you are not writing her off, and when she is getting out. When she gets out she is going to need some level headed people to hang with, I'd say this is where you come in.

As far as her incarceration, let's all hope it does not go well. Ironic, but when incarcerated for a long time many actually want to go back. They become almost homesick for prison.I know one guy who says that over fifty percent of the time he wishes he was back in, after doing twenty years.

For now all you can do is be a pen pal once you figure out where she winds up eventually. You might also answer the phone once in a while and pay those exhorbitant rates, but once in a while. Have to watch that, I have seen some pretty high phone bills in my time.

And don't take a check :-)

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 9:32:36 AM   
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Texas is farming out their inmates, there's a bunch here in Indianapolis due to overcrowding in Tx. Chances are Tx made a deal with the Ca prison system.
It was my understanding that Ca.has the most overcrowded prison system in the country.I highly doubt they are importing prisoners for profit,they just lost a huge lawsuit over medical care for their own prisoners......

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 10:15:57 AM   
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Oh, yeah, there are private companies that specialize in interstate prisoner transport. The reason i thought that was unlikely was that it didn't seem too probable they'd take her from Texas to Arkansas by way of California. Typically, those companies are paid by the mile, but I don't recall if it's by mile traveled or as the crow flies. The way they make money is by picking up prisoners at several places, dropping them off at hub cities throughout the country, then dispersing them and routing them to their appropriate destinations. Much like a Greyhound bus system with handcuffs. The transport process can take several days, even weeks, depending on where they're taking someone, so I suppose it's possible they'd take her to a hub in California to disperse her to Arkansas - it just seems unlikely with Arkansas being so close to Texas. But I suppose i wouldn't rule it out.



Where would I find one of these companies?  I have a CDL and would love to drive chained women around...


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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 3/18/2009 10:41:30 AM   
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For now all you can do is be a pen pal once you figure out where she winds up eventually. You might also answer the phone once in a while and pay those exhorbitant rates, but once in a while. Have to watch that, I have seen some pretty high phone bills in my time.


It's a $2.00 connection fee followed by $ .25 a minute.  I know that from my little brother's days in the pokey.  Right now, all I have is a cell phone.  I got rid of the landline years ago.  Unfortunately, prisons won't allow inmates to make collect calls to cell phones.  I'm not sure why that is, but that's the way it is.  I am already familiar with the prison system in this state thanks to my bro.  She's probably getting sent to Grimes, which is up in the northeast part of the state near Memphis.  My little brother did part of his time at the men's unit across the way.  He got moved after he hospitalized a "booty bandit" (his words).  A booty bandit is a homosexual predator. 

I called my brother this morning.  He said the women's unit wasn't bad.  According to him, it's almost like a college dormitory.  He said that probation violators tend to do less than a year.  I just hope she gets some counseling while she's in there.  I've had to do the prison visitation procedure before.  It sucks; you have to give the guards your shoe laces and all your personal possessions when you go in.  You're not allowed to bring any food or tobacco on the prison grounds, and they do search cars on visitation days.  But it's kind of an adventure (as horrible as that sounds).

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 4/8/2009 8:32:18 AM   
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I've received a letter from my friend.  She did indeed get picked up by an extradition service in Texas February 28th, and they drove her and three other inmates to Northern California, where they kept her for a week.  She then had to ride all the way back here wearing restraints.  She finally got here on the 18th.  She's in a jail 2 counties over from me, north of Little Rock.  They made her a trustee, so she seems to be in good spirits.  I'm going to visit her on Sunday; she only gets a 30 minute visit once a week. 

I'm a little pissed at the way they treated her, and I think it's fucking ridiculous to only get one 30 minute visit a week.  It takes me an hour and a half to drive over there, and I only get to talk to her (through glass) for 30 minutes.  The damn jail doesn't even give their prisoners underwear; the inmates have to buy them once a week from the commissary.  The jail is so full, they have people sleeping on the floor.  Almost all the people in there are pre-trial detainees who couldn't afford bail.  It really pisses me off.  I don't understand why we treat people like this. 

She has a hearing on the 22nd of this month.  I'm hoping they give her time served, since she's been locked up for close to two months.  I was told that it was up to the judge, and he was light on some probation violators and heavy-handed with others. 

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 4/8/2009 1:42:59 PM   
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Unfortunately, prisons won't allow inmates to make collect calls to cell phones.  I'm not sure why that is, but that's the way it is.


That's easy... landlines don't move around. Cell phones do.

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RE: Question about inmate transfer.... - 4/8/2009 1:46:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		They tend to not announce or disclose transfers.  Usually that is policy.   It is too lessen chances of escape and such.

The system is not the least bit interested in if an inmate was treated fairly.  The more one squawks the more the brass gets a kick out of it. (really)

Most people in jail- are not innocent.  I went thru a phaze where I wrote to guys in jail. I was warned that "nothing good can come out of it".  Of course- I did not want to hear that.    In time- tho- I figured that out.  I can best compare it to 2 people drowning in the ocean.  With attemtps to climb on top of eachother.

Even if the convict was a good person when they went in.  They must pick up predatory skills to survive.

Woman are a whole extra dimmension in the ball game.
They get tons of mail.    Dont presume a woman is less shady.

It is possible your friend is a good gal and she just had a run of bad luck.  But dont put your life on hold and dont fall for any promises... as some good advice is,  "nothing good can come out of it".

If she later when her life is back together cleans up and wants a friendship- then great.  For now- tho- I personally would hesitate to send money, allow phone calls, or even too intense of letters.

She can be the best person... but those letters have a way of finding into other hands. If you are a person who is viewed as one who might add money to the commisary account- you could be set up.  The gal of your deams jsut happens to bump into you.  Clear out of the blue.  All a set up.

They ALWAYS want money.   ....watch for the I traded my hanburger to get this postage stamp ruse.

No matter how slick we outside of prisen are, they are exponentially slick on the inside.

It is up to you what you do from here.   Just be careful.

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