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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 1:47:19 PM

Kana

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Unacceptable as you are defining it seems to be pretty close to Kant's universal maxim.
Things can get slippery when you start saying something is never acceptable.
I could give examples, but I think they may pull this thread off track so I will skip it.
Suffice to say that there are times when most actions can be morally justified, stealing and murder coming immediately to mind.
If it's to feed, or protect your kids, say in wartime, most ethicists find it a justifiable action.
That said, I can think of two (and this is after lots and lots of philosophy classes) things that I always find unacceptable.
they are rape and child abuse.

I cannot fathom any one coming up with something that would justify either of those actions to me.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 2:02:11 PM

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LOL
unacceptable means NO. and No means NO
Not open to rationalization.

Good lord! Do we need to explain what YES means next? LOL

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 2:12:54 PM

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Yes.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 2:18:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

Unacceptable as you are defining it seems to be pretty close to Kant's universal maxim.
Things can get slippery when you start saying something is never acceptable.
I could give examples, but I think they may pull this thread off track so I will skip it.
Suffice to say that there are times when most actions can be morally justified, stealing and murder coming immediately to mind.
If it's to feed, or protect your kids, say in wartime, most ethicists find it a justifiable action.
That said, I can think of two (and this is after lots and lots of philosophy classes) things that I always find unacceptable.
they are rape and child abuse.

I cannot fathom any one coming up with something that would justify either of those actions to me.

Hi, Kana----
Wasn't sure if you were replying to me (It says you are but never know with the way the system delineates such things), so figured I would respond.
Not remembering Kant terribly well at the moment (Taking a few to distract myself from work) but I am often comfy saying that things are unacceptable to me without bringing the hammer of morality down. Though, I would say that someone who continues to repeat unacceptable behaviors toward one they supposedly care about would, at least, likely have some form of character flaw and could potentially have some sort of problematic morality. I'm also a bit more easy with making moralistic proclamations than are some, so I am willing to acknowledge that my stances sometimes tread into the extreme and am okay with that. :>
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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 3:15:04 PM

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unacceptable is pretty self explanatory to me. check webster

Aha: Webster is unacceptable to me.
Check Oxford!

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 3:21:43 PM

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Hiya DK,
Your intuition was right.
I was responding to the OP, not you.
It sounded to me as if he were looking for things that were unacceptable under all conditions.
Hence, my comments on universal maxim.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 3:37:36 PM

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I like the way your thinking Kana. For me the only things which are absolutely unacceptable are child and animab abuse and the physical abuse of the infirm or elderly. A number of others depending on extreem circumstances, I will, albeit reluctantly, accept if the end is in my mind justified.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 3:45:23 PM

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The only moral system I can speak of is mine. When something is unacceptable to me, it means I won't do it or put up with it.
As far as force play/consensual nonconsent which is what I imagine you were referring to; this is what safewords were devised for. Beyond that, a good top reads the bottom's body language and knows when they are enjoying themselves and when they arent. It really isn't rocket science, if the body is rigid, they cringe away from you, won't look at you or speak to you, probably there is something wrong and you ought to stop and check. If you don't, well - responsible dominants don't break their toys. Those that do usually wind up in jail eventually.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 5:25:26 PM

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Yes.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/16/2009 11:23:13 PM

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quote:

LOL
unacceptable means NO. and No means NO
Not open to rationalization.

Good lord! Do we need to explain what YES means next? LOL

I second this. Maybe its just late... I am having trouble understanding the original question.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/17/2009 1:08:41 AM

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Rape meant when a person said NO non consentual) it was not really mean NO it meant Maybe or is that also unacceptable ?

WTF? Your whole post was incomprehensible, but this bit is hella confusing. Rape is rape and a world away from consentual force play. That said, hearing "NO" and deciding that it means "Maybe" is a good way to see the inside of a jail cell.

(Covers His belle's eyes) Don't put thoughts in her head please...she has been mischieviously wanting to see Master in chains to get even for some time now.......Wait......By your statement I could have her placed in the pokey as well on those nights when I am too tired and she continues.....

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RE: unacceptable - 3/17/2009 1:37:25 AM

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(Covers His belle's eyes) Don't put thoughts in her head please...she has been mischieviously wanting to see Master in chains to get even for some time now.......Wait......By your statement I could have her placed in the pokey as well on those nights when I am too tired and she continues.....

See above RE consent, love.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/17/2009 2:33:18 AM

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Don't mean to bust anybody's bubble here. When it comes down to expressing things acceptable or not acceptable.   This is to express desired treatment and relationships terms.   These things are subject to change. Relationships are dynamic.   The OP is so damn general that it's ain't funny.

For instance let's say for instance that somebody cheating or having an affair with another person is unacceptable and expressed at the start of the relationship. Now fast forward a year or two. One of the other party cheats.   Does this mean it's so unacceptable that the relationship ends?   What if the other no longer gives a fuck if the other cheats or not anymore? What if both people are cheating?   What if somebody cheats once and no longer does and the other party forgives them? What if they sit down and the other party was turned on by it, and they decided swinging is the hottest things since sliced cheese?

Moral systems are subject to being dynamic or to change just like people's relationships are. This is basically common sense reality.

OK, if somebody entering into a relationship with them being raped by their partner is unacceptable? What if it happens and they find they like it? What if it happens they call the cops?   Come here man, there is no one wayism. You are talking about bridges before they are crossed if ever at all.

Hell there are things I used to think or believe would be unacceptable for me to deal with. Then one day somebody crossed that line with me.   Oh gee spanky, if it had been just any old body that crossed that line with me, their ass might have been toast. Wait, a minute the fact was this, they just were not anybody. They were somebody I was in an emotionally involved relationship with.    Then again, I have experienced somebody doing something I thought I could accept and as it turns out, it did not sit well with me at all.

The answer to your OP, is that there are not answers. This is just life, and it's a bit of a journey and nobody has a crystal ball.

It's one thing to play pretend in our minds about situations, and very much another thing to experience something for real. It all depends upon the circumstances involved.

For instance, it would be unacceptable to me for somebody to take and throw a dart at me.   However this is a general notion. What they threw a dart at me because I threw one at them? What if, what if, what if, what if....

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RE: unacceptable - 3/26/2009 8:32:04 PM

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What I find truly unacceptable is disrespect. We are all human beings, and should act accordingly. Whe a so-called "slave" disrespects a Dom/Domme, for no reason at all, does make one wonder why they are here and in this lifestyle. Recently, I experienced this with one who calls himself "slowsubtung". He made a very crude comment to me, for no apparent reason. Hell, I have never contacted this "specimen" before.

Ladies, if "slowsubtung" contacts you, be careful; I suspect he is one that tries to top from the bottom. Oh yes, and if you are a BBW (I weigh 190lbs), he will insult you. Do we really need this? I have been inthis lifestyle come this year 30 years, and I have nevered judge anyone by their appearance. I am one that sees those based on substance of character and quality of Spirit. Thank you!

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RE: unacceptable - 3/27/2009 12:42:55 AM

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Unacceptable to me - with regard to me and my relationship with other people and the world - means something that according to my opinion or knowledge is invalid, false, inappropriate, excessive or abusive.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/27/2009 11:05:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: KalaNoir2112

What I find truly unacceptable is disrespect. We are all human beings, and should act accordingly. Whe a so-called "slave" disrespects a Dom/Domme, for no reason at all, does make one wonder why they are here and in this lifestyle. Recently, I experienced this with one who calls himself "NAME REMOVED". He made a very crude comment to me, for no apparent reason. Hell, I have never contacted this "specimen" before.

Ladies, if "NAME REMOVED" contacts you, be careful; I suspect he is one that tries to top from the bottom. Oh yes, and if you are a BBW (I weigh 190lbs), he will insult you. Do we really need this? I have been inthis lifestyle come this year 30 years, and I have nevered judge anyone by their appearance. I am one that sees those based on substance of character and quality of Spirit. Thank you!

Number One, lady you are against TOS. Go read the rules.

Number Two, no one on here owes me jackshit, least of all respect. I don't expect it and I sure as hell don't think any random stranger that sticks a dominant, master, mistress, in their profile deserves it either.

Courtesy would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.

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RE: unacceptable - 3/27/2009 7:49:31 PM

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just what is the meaning of the term to you unacceptable in your realtionships or your requirements.
it seems the word has become very open ended in requirements .
let me throw outt this for some feedback if someone o says in their profile or even in our personal realtionships we use the word unacceptable .
if something is unacceptable does that mean it was acceptable once before and what moral system ?
Rape meant when a person said NO non consentual) it was not really mean NO it meant Maybe or is that also unacceptable ?

Unacceptable means just that. If something is unacceptable to me, then it's just simply that, not acceptable. I don't try to place special significance upon the word.

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