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For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:30:08 AM

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Maya Myth Revealed

While I am pretty uneducated about Mayan culture and mythology, I thought this article was pretty cool.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:39:25 AM

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It's fascinating, thanks Toppy. I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:43:48 AM

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and THAT is a damned good question...

*smooches the gorgeous KS*

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:50:29 AM

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I love it when you go all mythical on me :-) .

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:50:47 AM

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I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

Well, there aren't a lot of Mayans around to defend it. As for other non-Christian cosmologies being called myths; I don't often hear Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, or other larger religions' stories being referred to as myths in mainstream media.

It is a interesting article. I've always found pre-Columbian cultures in the Americas to be fascinating.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:54:56 AM

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OMG!

It's been passed down through the generations that I am a direct descendant of the wooden people.

We worship the Morning Wood every sunrise.

Contrary to myth, we not only made the grade, but we made the loincloth for Jesus.

Quite the lovely young man, and a real looker too.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:56:04 AM

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Interesting note: Richard Feynmann. in his book "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynmann", decided to decode some Mayan heiroglyphics while visiting Central America. When he finished, he compared his results against the standard translations... and found out that they were all botched, and his were the only reliable ones!

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 7:18:50 AM

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LOL Chia and Steven

(my stepdad had the honor of knowing Mr. Feynman)

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 7:28:24 AM

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thanks for the link Greedy. we don't get enough of this information up here. the archeologists in Mexico were given access to a super computer in the early 80's and within 5 years they were able to decipher and transcibe most of the glyphs found at Chichen Itza.
unfortunately there is very little funding for these digs so - the information is usually horded by the funding sources. Gee Whiz - maybe some day minority students will be able to understand that it hasnt been only white people that reached for the stars.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 7:35:46 AM

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I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

Well, there aren't a lot of Mayans around to defend it. As for other non-Christian cosmologies being called myths; I don't often hear Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, or other larger religions' stories being referred to as myths in mainstream media.

That would be because Genesis is part of the cosmology of Judaism and Islam, and because Hinduism's gods are incapable of creating anything, involved as they are in the cycle of birth and destruction - there is huge skepticism about 'creator Gods' in Indian religions - this applies to Buddhism too.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 7:41:26 AM

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Hrm, maybe it's just the intellectual surroundings, but even my religion professors have referred to the book of genesis as 'Judeo-Christian Myth' or 'dogma'... especially the one who actually was Jewish (she got to be annoying about it)

*shrug*

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 7:47:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: aravain

Hrm, maybe it's just the intellectual surroundings, but even my religion professors have referred to the book of genesis as 'Judeo-Christian Myth' or 'dogma'... especially the one who actually was Jewish (she got to be annoying about it)

*shrug*

I have a couple of things in common with her then: good for her :-) .

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 8:07:19 AM

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That would be because Genesis is part of the cosmology of Judaism and Islam, and because Hinduism's gods are incapable of creating anything, involved as they are in the cycle of birth and destruction - there is huge skepticism about 'creator Gods' in Indian religions - this applies to Buddhism too.

I'm not sure I follow you on Hindu gods being incapable of creation. Brahma is the god of creation. I'm not following you on the skepticism aspect either. Of course, Christians are going to be skeptical of eastern religions. But I don't see any more or any less skepicism on the part of us that are secularist, non-believers.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 8:38:52 AM

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That makes my inner geek happy. Thanks Greedy!

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 4:36:22 PM

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I had a world history class from the guy in the story. Cool guy.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 4:39:38 PM

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I saw this thread and immediately I could feel my throat tighten...Hives are appearing all over my torso.

It is truly a "Hard Limit."

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 4:57:42 PM

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It's fascinating, thanks Toppy. I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

I wrote a thesis paper for one of my college classes back in the 90s that somewhat concerned that question, kittin. A Comparitive Study of Creation Myths From Around the World was the title, and it looked at every creation cycle I could find - including the judeo-christian version. I included the definition of "myth" taken from a concurrent course in Mythology & Philosophy, which defined any story or series of stories that met a set of 6 specific criteria as a mythological set - yes, the christian set falls well within that definition. Unfortunately, while the paper got me an A in the class it was written for, it also almost got me Lynched by the ultra-conservative christian .... well, they weren't kids, as they were all 18 to 20.... but emotionally/mentally they weren't what I'd call Adults either LOL. I was the only non-christian in the course (an advanced honors english course) - and apparantly my fellow students took great offence at my inclusion of their myths as part of my term paper.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 5:07:10 PM

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Is Archeaology the equivalent of living in the past? To me it is the lineage of History. So much destruction done of vital books, information, items of beauty destroyed in a temper tantrum by some mentally insane despot because maybe the information informed people of freedom and other assorted wonders of the world and Universe.

Unburying lost and destroyed information is so not living in the past and not cowardly at all. I dont know that I am a bigger loser than anyone else. Am I really a loser because I adore History and relish all the amazing insights, artifacts and whatever lost and then re-gained.

I dont get the hatred of knowing and understanding the past.

As I have heard said, the past is not the past as long as it is in the present. Unfinished biz and all that.

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 5:37:15 PM

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It's fascinating, thanks Toppy. I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

I wrote a thesis paper for one of my college classes back in the 90s that somewhat concerned that question, kittin. A Comparitive Study of Creation Myths From Around the World was the title, and it looked at every creation cycle I could find - including the judeo-christian version. I included the definition of "myth" taken from a concurrent course in Mythology & Philosophy, which defined any story or series of stories that met a set of 6 specific criteria as a mythological set - yes, the christian set falls well within that definition. Unfortunately, while the paper got me an A in the class it was written for, it also almost got me Lynched by the ultra-conservative christian .... well, they weren't kids, as they were all 18 to 20.... but emotionally/mentally they weren't what I'd call Adults either LOL. I was the only non-christian in the course (an advanced honors english course) - and apparantly my fellow students took great offence at my inclusion of their myths as part of my term paper.

Hey Peach - that's a spot on personal anecdote to illustrate what I was touching upon (ie. the reverence that exists with regards to one particular myth). Thank you :-) (I wish I could read your paper: is it online anywhere?)

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RE: For those with an interest in Mayan archaeology - 3/13/2009 6:03:13 PM

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It's fascinating, thanks Toppy. I'd like to echo one of the commentators on the site you linked and ask why it is that the cosmologies of non-Christian religions are called myths, whilst the Book of Genesis isn't?

Because they are myths.

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