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Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 6:35:55 PM   
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He also says that the FR is buying up assets on the QT, and refuses transparency.

HR 1207

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 7:56:47 PM   
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Between what congress is doing and the Fed Reserve is doing, they have spent 9.3 trillion dollars? The majority of it being the Fed Reserve and they do not have to say what they are spending that money on? The Chairman of the Fed Reserve is more powerful than the President or Congress? The Fed Reserve does not believe that taxpayers or congress has the right to know?

So will Dems think this bill is a bad thing because it is proposed by a Rep?

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 8:42:03 PM   
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all republicans should be pushing this everytime they are on tv.  what is obama trying to hide ;)


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Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:09:08 PM   
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Here's Dr. Paul's statement, introducing the bill:

Madam Speaker, I rise to introduce the Federal Reserve Transparency Act. Throughout its nearly 100-year history, the Federal Reserve has presided over the near-complete destruction of the United States dollar. Since 1913 the dollar has lost over 95% of its purchasing power, aided and abetted by the Federal Reserve's loose monetary policy. How long will we as a Congress stand idly by while hard-working Americans see their savings eaten away by inflation? Only big-spending politicians and politically favored bankers benefit from inflation.
 
Serious discussion of proposals to oversee the Federal Reserve is long overdue. I have been a longtime proponent of more effective oversight and auditing of the Fed, but I was far from the first Congressman to advocate these types of proposals. Esteemed former members of the Banking Committee such as Chairmen Wright Patman and Henry B. Gonzales were outspoken critics of the Fed and its lack of transparency.
 
Since its inception, the Federal Reserve has always operated in the shadows, without sufficient scrutiny or oversight of its operations. While the conventional excuse is that this is intended to reduce the Fed's susceptibility to political pressures, the reality is that the Fed acts as a foil for the government. Whenever you question the Fed about the strength of the dollar, they will refer you to the Treasury, and vice versa. The Federal Reserve has, on the one hand, many of the privileges of government agencies, while retaining benefits of private organizations, such as being insulated from Freedom of Information Act requests.
 
The Federal Reserve can enter into agreements with foreign central banks and foreign governments, and the GAO is prohibited from auditing or even seeing these agreements. Why should a government-established agency, whose police force has federal law enforcement powers, and whose notes have legal tender status in this country, be allowed to enter into agreements with foreign powers and foreign banking institutions with no oversight? Particularly when hundreds of billions of dollars of currency swaps have been announced and implemented, the Fed's negotiations with the European Central Bank, the Bank of International Settlements, and other institutions should face increased scrutiny, most especially because of their significant effect on foreign policy. If the State Department were able to do this, it would be characterized as a rogue agency and brought to heel, and if a private individual did this he might face prosecution under the Logan Act, yet the Fed avoids both fates.
 
More importantly, the Fed's funding facilities and its agreements with the Treasury should be reviewed. The Treasury's supplementary financing accounts that fund Fed facilities allow the Treasury to funnel money to Wall Street without GAO or Congressional oversight. Additional funding facilities, such as the Primary Dealer Credit Facility and the Term Securities Lending Facility, allow the Fed to keep financial asset prices artificially inflated and subsidize poorly performing financial firms.
 
The Federal Reserve Transparency Act would eliminate restrictions on GAO audits of the Federal Reserve and open Fed operations to enhanced scrutiny. We hear officials constantly lauding the benefits of transparency and especially bemoaning the opacity of the Fed, its monetary policy, and its funding facilities. By opening all Fed operations to a GAO audit and calling for such an audit to be completed by the end of 2010, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act would achieve much-needed transparency of the Federal Reserve.
 
I urge my colleagues to support this bill.
 
 

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:17:29 PM   
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subfever thanks for that.

Now the question is, how important is this to everyone? I have already written my Congressman about it.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:18:33 PM   
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If you watched the clip, the "previous administration" was mentioned as well as the "current administration".

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all republicans should be pushing this everytime they are on tv.  what is obama trying to hide ;)




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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:20:55 PM   
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I don't understand how anyone can be against government transparency, seems to me anyone against that, doesn't deserve to be elected again. It seems like this is a no brainer for both democrats and republicans to show they are working towards honest government, so we'll see.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:39:28 PM   
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~FR~

Goddamnit, were's the stamps? Actually, this one might be worth calling about *sigh*.

(just FYI, I support it)

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 9:42:58 PM   
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I've signed a petition via Campaign for Liberty, who will automatically forward it to my local Congressman. It couldn't be any easier:

Please complete this petition, urging your Congressman to cosponsor and a seek roll-call vote on Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed Bill!




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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 10:04:46 PM   
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I don't understand how anyone can be against government transparency, seems to me anyone against that, doesn't deserve to be elected again. It seems like this is a no brainer for both democrats and republicans to show they are working towards honest government, so we'll see.



Judging by the context of your message, I'm sure you meant Congressmen when you said "anyone."

Yes, this is such a no-brainer, that it wouldn't be hard to wonder if Congressmen against this Bill are on the Federal Reserve "payroll."

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/12/2009 10:38:01 PM   
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Ron Paul initiatives are good but my understanding about the nature of US government tells me this bill will not be put on vote or even discussed in US Congress. Youtube exposure is all, mainstream media will avoid it. We will see.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 1:47:30 AM   
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A couple of weeks ago an article was reprinted at night from Bloomberg News on HuffPo then disappeared without a trace by morning.  Yes,it is 9+ trillion dollars spent and promised so far...mainly out the backdoor of the Fed.  This is enough money to buy up 90% of ALL the mortgages in this country & rewrite them all at 4.5  fixed for everyone. Everybody wins, credit crisis solved, economy restarted.  Instead we are to owe a debt for 9+ trillion dollars with nothing to show for it and the crisis deepening because the Fed is minting and secretly giving it away.
I think this article stated that it was Bloomberg News that was suing the Fed to force their transparency, hoping to stop the giveaways of the still existing 5 of the 9 trillion promised but not yet secreted out of there.  It is mindboggling the true amount this is costing, that none of it is being spent to solve the problem, and it being done without transparency or any government control.  People think we are into this mess for only a fraction of the 9+ trillion.  And it is our and future taxpayers responsibility to pay this debt from the Fed back.
Bloomberg News is Mayor Bloomberg I think  (Republican/independent),  and Ron Paul we  all enjoyed as a reality check in the Republican debates.  But this is an issue that Dennis Kucinich, Al Franken once he gets there, and any honest elected representative must get behind.  Though we pay their bills, the Fed exists for the benefit of Wall Street.  It is a tax supported institution  that is anathema to the welfare of the taxpayer. The Fed is the biggest part of the problem and needs to be stopped asap(try to save the 5 trillion from going out first... that is a bipartisan necessity.)
What amazed me was how the article disappeared that night from all the news services about the Fed & this actual 9 trillion price tag & what it could have bought.  90% of ALL mortgages.  Everybody at 4.5. Instead of the Fed backdooring all our money to Wall Street for like half a percent.  I am glad Bloomberg is bringing the lawsuit.(I think they filed it in October)  It is a fight every American taxpayer should unite around.  This crisis is so huge and rampantly criminal that it has pretty much obsolesced the utility of political  parties...united we fight, divided the Fed steals all our money.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 2:30:36 AM   
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Wait, you expect (want?) the Fed to buy out all mortgages? Even the ones where people aren't/can't pay them?

Maybe it's my 'morning brain' but wouldn't this be a bad thing (you know, nationalizing banks and loans and such) in the long run?

*sigh* I can't understand my own thoughts. Maybe later I'll be able to know/understand why reading your post was so abhorrent to me.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 6:59:38 AM   
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quote:

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I don't understand how anyone can be against government transparency, seems to me anyone against that, doesn't deserve to be elected again. It seems like this is a no brainer for both democrats and republicans to show they are working towards honest government, so we'll see.



While the Fed's ACTIONS should be transparent, their PLANS cannot be.  The plans have the ability to manipulate the market bigtime.


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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 7:50:03 AM   
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Ron Paul people are terrorists.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9SzPQsT2NU

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 11:36:26 AM   
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I don't understand how anyone can be against government transparency, seems to me anyone against that, doesn't deserve to be elected again. It seems like this is a no brainer for both democrats and republicans to show they are working towards honest government, so we'll see.



While the Fed's ACTIONS should be transparent, their PLANS cannot be.  The plans have the ability to manipulate the market bigtime.



LOL, yeah, and I'm sure they don't share those "cough" plans with anyone.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 1:09:56 PM   
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i have many problems with bush regarding economic policy.
If i could merge Mccains foreign policy with Ron pauls domestic....it would be the perfect republican.

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If you watched the clip, the "previous administration" was mentioned as well as the "current administration".

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ORIGINAL: MasterShake69

all republicans should be pushing this everytime they are on tv.  what is obama trying to hide ;)




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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 1:50:47 PM   
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Ron Paul initiatives are good but my understanding about the nature of US government tells me this bill will not be put on vote or even discussed in US Congress. Youtube exposure is all, mainstream media will avoid it. We will see.


I hope you're wrong, but you're probably correct.

At the very least, I hope more people begin to notice what's really going on around them.

There's no good reason in the world why HR 1207 shouldn't pass, other than the fact that the Federal Reserve has too much power and influence to ascertain that it doesn't pass.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 2:42:56 PM   
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I signed the petition.  There are 2 bills - 1 to end the fed, 1 to audit the fed.

In EU there are trying to kill the bankers.   Citibank to be exact.

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RE: Ron Paul Introduces Bill to Audit the Federal Reserve! - 3/13/2009 4:51:00 PM   
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He also says that the FR is buying up assets on the QT, and refuses transparency.

HR 1207


The more I watch our leaders....the more I like Ron Paul.

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