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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 9:52:54 AM   
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And again, He did not force anyone to join us in the misadventure. Not your problem, find something better to do with your time, like bitch about your own country. Or better yet, investigate Blair, he was in charge then. 


Blair was forced out of power.



Seriously, why do you care? Don't give me the bla bla bla, bush is evil bullshit or the tired Iraq war nonsense. I lost 3 friends there, and one was wounded so badly he can barely walk. So I am in no way for ever having gone there. So why do you care? You don't live here, have zero vested interest in what happens here, and could probably find something more productive to do that complain about an american president. As far as the domestic "spying" and such, guess what? Its been happening for quite a while longer than the bush administration. The NSA monitors basically everything, but its not as if someone is constantly listening with headphones or staring at a computer screen. Echelon is just a sieve, it picks out key phrases or words. Big deal, I have zero reason to be concerned about it. But of course, thats wrong to attempt to secure a country. Anyhow, I am done talking to you, it is just like bashing my head into the wall. J



Anyhow, I am done talking to you, it is just like bashing my head into the wall. J


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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 10:15:48 AM   
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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 10:18:51 AM   
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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 11:01:12 AM   
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GOP wants to control spending  Really? not if you look at their spending the 6 years they controlled everything(bitch about the current earmarks, they are 50% less than 2006)


Democrats controlled congress in 2006 too, ya know.

Just sayin'.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 11:24:31 AM   
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GOP wants to control spending  Really? not if you look at their spending the 6 years they controlled everything(bitch about the current earmarks, they are 50% less than 2006)


Democrats controlled congress in 2006 too, ya know.

Just sayin'.


And his last link was from July '08, on the subpoenas for John Bolton and Harriet Myers.

Timely, that. 

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 11:24:37 AM   
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Anyhow, I am done talking to you, it is just like bashing my head into the wall. J



Well, you do have that helmet on so that shoudn't hurt too much. 

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 2:00:02 PM   
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Those who sacrafice freedom for security deserve niether.

Your attitude basically amounts to this - we should all support and trust the government, even if that government breaks the law, providing of course that it is a Republican government.

You should try reading 1984 sometime.

But anyways, I'm not sure why I bothered replying to your previous post, and had half a mind not to respond to this one.  In a previous thread, you challanged me to find proof to back up my views, and I did, plenty of it, and you never bothered to respond.

I'll just leave you with this.

Questioning your government during war time is probably THE most important time to be questioning your government.  Questioning your government is one of the most patriotic things you can do.  It is not treason.  If you want to live in a fascist state, I suggest you move to North Korea.  Yes, the democrats questioned the reasons for going to war.

The democrats turned out to be right.


The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 2:22:31 PM   
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The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless





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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 2:35:41 PM   
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The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless


I live in N. Ireland, buddy.

I could make a joke about Americans and maps, but I have more class than that so I won't go there.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 2:58:45 PM   
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The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless


I live in N. Ireland, buddy.

I could make a joke about Americans and maps, but I have more class than that so I won't go there.

We could make jokes about non-citizens who think they have all the answers to our problems, too.

Especially one in their early 20's, who likely hasn't spent any time here.  Or any time much of anywhere, I suspect.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 3:06:16 PM   
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Don't make assumptions like that.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 3:11:57 PM   
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Wrong on both counts.

Don't make assumptions like that.


Enlighten me oh great one.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 3:15:29 PM   
KaineD


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I've travelled around Europe.  Germany, Austria, France, Spain, Austria, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Poland.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 3:40:58 PM   
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Democrats controlled congress in 2006 too, ya know.

Just sayin'.

Really? Why would just be sayin' something that is factually incorrect?

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 3:51:32 PM   
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The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless


I live in N. Ireland, buddy.

I could make a joke about Americans and maps, but I have more class than that so I won't go there.

We could make jokes about non-citizens who think they have all the answers to our problems, too.

Especially one in their early 20's, who likely hasn't spent any time here.  Or any time much of anywhere, I suspect.

Firm


I often think that people that live in other countruies have a beter understanding of the workings of our government.

There is a pile of evidence that would suggest that Bush took steps to fabricate the severity of the cause for war.  Can this even be denied?  Your fellow Americans paid the ultimate price.  Several staffers have come forward to suggest that the wiretaps were not conducted in a legal manner, that people other than "terrorists" were listened into.Should we invest the time to drag this jackass through the mud?  Only if you think that Our soldiers deserve to understand for what reasons that they were placed in harms way and that our government should never have a hand in listening into the conversations of it's law abiding citizens.

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 4:27:33 PM   
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I'm sorry if Bush and the NSA and CIA were spying on you withhout a warrant.  I never had that problem but, than again, I don't know about mixing potassium nitrate and diesel fuel to make make bombs.  We are in a vicious war with radical Islamic groups that gave a clear message on 9/11 as to what their intent was...and it is amazing to me that the democrat party, a party that tried as hard as it could to undermine the war effort which in another time would have been deemed treason...would continue to use the power of their majority now to investigate a man who as President gave his all to protect us..and was successful at that mission.  It was "Mission Accomplished" as far as I'm concerned.
Leahy, Waxman, Conyers are slime...are more interested in vengence for their defeat as a party and will probably be out of office when they come up at bat again in the House and Senate.  The democrat party did not win control...Obama did not win the Oval Office with any program for helping the country...it was all NO MORE BUSH...FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH..AND THE MOST INSIDIOUS AND DECEITFUL OF ALL THE CATCHY SLOGANS..."CHANGE"!!


Those who sacrafice freedom for security deserve niether.

Your attitude basically amounts to this - we should all support and trust the government, even if that government breaks the law, providing of course that it is a Republican government.

You should try reading 1984 sometime.

But anyways, I'm not sure why I bothered replying to your previous post, and had half a mind not to respond to this one.  In a previous thread, you challanged me to find proof to back up my views, and I did, plenty of it, and you never bothered to respond.

I'll just leave you with this.

Questioning your government during war time is probably THE most important time to be questioning your government.  Questioning your government is one of the most patriotic things you can do.  It is not treason.  If you want to live in a fascist state, I suggest you move to North Korea.  Yes, the democrats questioned the reasons for going to war.

The democrats turned out to be right.



Questioning the government is not the issue.  People have a right, and did question the government, including me in past wars...WW2 was probably the war where there was probably unanimity but it was also a war we were dragged into with a cowardly surprise attack.  People questioned government in the Korean conflict, certainly in VietNam, Grenada, the balkans, and Iraq....The ISSUE is when our troops are in the battlefield and politicians at home attack the mission, call our troops killers in the night (Dick Durbin), calling the mission a lost cause..(Harry Reid) and not even going to cite Pelosi who is truly over her head and constitutionally is 3rd in line for the Presidency.  Talk about "three strikes and your out"..Obama, Biden , Pelosi....

As far as a "fascist" government...that also is not the issue...we are well on our way towards a socialist government that, on its present course, will probably result in some interesting times in the street within a year or two.  Fascists were pro business..this mob from Chicago is anti-business, anti-wealth, anti anyone who has worked hard to accumulate any sort of wealth.  China is announcing their stimulus plan to re-invigorate business...Pelosi/Reid/Obama...crammed down a spending package that will grow governement, one of the few sectors still showing employment growth. 
If you want to build windmills, bolt solar panels on to roofs, you are gonna be one happy camper. Of course, God forbid you get sick, your government will soon be telling you if you can see a doctor, who you should see, what treatment that doctor can give you based on a cost/benefit analysis....and allow you certain meds...but possibly not the newest which might be too expensive.
"Happy days are here again"....yea...sure.....

Don't bother to comment...

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RE: Patrick Leahy to launch W. Truth Commission - 3/4/2009 10:17:16 PM   
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The guy who lives in the country that has the city with the most government controlled video surveillance cameras in the world quoting Ben Franklin...Priceless


I live in N. Ireland, buddy.

I could make a joke about Americans and maps, but I have more class than that so I won't go there.


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