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McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 5:35:16 PM   
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Just wondering if others now see why McCain would not have made a good president? He changes his mind to quickly...too prone to make decisions on a whim.

Now he is agreeing with Obama's withdrawal plan in Iraq... the same plan he raged against before the election. I do like McCain but he is not presidential material... The country made the right choice between the two.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 7:03:52 PM   
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There was a time when I had a great deal of respect and admiration for John McCain, but that was many years ago.  It's very sad, really. I still have a great deal of respect and admiration for the man he used to be, but I often wonder if he even remembers who that man was.  I think it's the quintessential example of a basically good and decent man who entered politics because he had a deep, burning passion to serve his country, but gradually became swallowed whole by the politics until he no longer remembered where he kept his ideals. The last few years, he's devolved into a shell of the man he once was, willing to say or do anything that, at that particular moment, seems to have the best chance to get him into a slightly better position to be elected president. He's become a shapeshifter. But oddly enough, losing the election to Obama may offer McCain a golden opportunity to reshape himself one more time, into - John McCain. The John McCain he used to be.

For the first time since he entered politics, he's in a position where he has no possibility of ever advancing to higher office. He's got nothing left to aspire to, nothing to sell out for. He can follow a path guided only by his heart, not his ambitions. He can never be president, but he can still carve himself out a legacy as an elder statesman, a consensus-builder, the man who can build bridges between the parties and get the deal done on close votes. He can never be president, but he has a chance to play a role that would often be second in significance only to the president himself. He has a chance to serve his country in a more meaningful way than most senators can ever even dream of doing. If he can only remember who he used to be, and why he entered politics in the first place.


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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 7:06:23 PM   
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I think McCain would have made an excellent President, in 2000. And think the country would have been much better off if he had been. 

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 7:16:52 PM   
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I think McCain would have made an excellent President, in 2000. And think the country would have been much better off if he had been. 
 

You may well be right. That was one moment where his missed opportunity may have been everyone else's, as well.


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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 7:33:36 PM   
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The American people have a habit of picking the least qualified man for the job.  The last 3 presidents we have had were not qualified for the job and required a learning curve.


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I think McCain would have made an excellent President, in 2000. And think the country would have been much better off if he had been. 

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 2/28/2009 9:56:26 PM   
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I too could have voted for him in 2000... but since then, he's been going steadily down hill. When the "Straight Talk Express" got turned into yet another transport for the same GOP fanatic handlers that screwed the pooch for Bob Dole, I knew the guy was washed up. By the time he fucked up picking the Alaskan MILF as a running mate, and pissing off David Letterman, and looking like a clueless dweeb in the debates... (God, how that "My friends..." began to grate against my nerves!) ...it was pretty obvious the guy had jumped the shark long, long ago...

But, it's not his fault. His party was what let him down. I honestly think McCain thought of himself as a Maverick.... unfortunately, that was the one thing the GOP can't abide. So they carefully controlled him, and because the republicans can't run an effective campaign to literally save their lives, they just kept fucking up on him.

The guy makes a pretty darn good Senator though. And I'm glad we've still got him there... now if they'll just be good enough to publicly apologize to Max Clealand for assasinating the character of a man who lost three of his limbs in service to his country, I think maybe he, McCain, will sleep better at night.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 12:19:40 AM   
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I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 12:33:57 AM   
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I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.


Absolutely, we certainly wouldn't want to have any bi-partisan compromise.

What would we have to argue about on these boards then?

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 4:00:22 AM   
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Now he is agreeing with Obama's withdrawal plan in Iraq... the same plan he raged against before the election. I do like McCain but he is not presidential material... The country made the right choice between the two.

 
It's probably easy to confuse the policies of the man and the political machine he represents, he may have agreed on many issues but you have to set yourself apart policy wise. Now you see perhaps the true opinions of him when he has some distance between himself and the campaign machine. This is the main problem with politics i.e. during the election you say something and in power you do another, it's why people lose faith with the whole process because they are constantly being promised things that never happen. Promised things by people trying to set themselves apart with their promises.


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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 4:11:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.


I have no sympathy.  He did it to himself by running one of the dirtiest, underhanded campaigns I've seen.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 4:18:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.


I have no sympathy.  He did it to himself by running one of the dirtiest, underhanded campaigns I've seen.


Shocking...but understandable (if inaccurate)  if this was the first campaign you have studied. Please elaborate, it would be very helpful.  All I seem to recall is McCain telling republican organizations at the State level to take down personal attack ads on Obama...all I remember is McCain alwasy taking the freakin high road,  showing only the utmost respect for Obama the man, while obviously in total disagreement with his politics.
But I'm sure you will post numerous links and comments to support your view.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 5:05:37 AM   
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Shocking...but understandable (if inaccurate)  if this was the first campaign you have studied. Please elaborate, it would be very helpful.  All I seem to recall is McCain telling republican organizations at the State level to take down personal attack ads on Obama...all I remember is McCain alwasy taking the freakin high road,  showing only the utmost respect for Obama the man, while obviously in total disagreement with his politics.
But I'm sure you will post numerous links and comments to support your view.


Once again you display opinions that have no basis in reality.  No disrespect, but its like you live in a cave and only listen to the views of those you agree with and close off everything else.  You really don't remember all the negative, personal and often times outright false attacks McCain made against Obama?

Comparing Obama to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phBBnxXJdoM

Falsely claiming Obama intended to teach sex education to kindergardners and falsely claiming Obama cancelled a visit to troops to instead play basketball (who was he playing basketball with?  Troops)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrxpoYYRd2c

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738_pf.html

Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character,

Moments after the House of Representatives approved a bailout package for Wall Street on Friday afternoon, the McCain campaign released a television ad that challenges Obama's honesty and asks, "Who is Barack Obama?" The ad alleges that "Senator Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes. Ninety-four times. He's not truthful on taxes." The charge that Obama voted 94 times for higher taxes has been called misleading by independent fact-checkers, who have noted that the majority of those votes were on nonbinding budget resolutions.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_campaigns_ad_spending_n.php

McCain Campaign's Ad Spending Now Nearly 100 Percent Devoted To Attack Ads

By contrast, the Obama campaign is devoting less than half of its overall ad spending to ads attacking McCain. More than half of its spending is going to a spot that doesn't once mention his foe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/mccain-broke-911-negative_n_125913.html

McCain Broke 9/11 Negative Ad Pledge: Factcheck.Org

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,436341,00.html

Smear Campaigning Should Be Beneath John McCain

What’s worse is the content of the negative ads. They aren’t about policy and issues. They aren’t about what’s wrong with Obama’s economic plans, much less what’s right about McCain’s. They aren’t about why Barack Obama would be a bad president, much less why McCain would be a good one.They’re screaming bloody murder that Barack Obama left a phone message two years ago for a guy who engaged in radical activity when Barack Obama was 8 years old and living in Indonesia. Ayers, who is a neighbor of Obama’s, even had some kind of meet-and-greet for him 13 years ago, when Obama was running for state Senate, making him one of about a million people who’ve opened their homes and their checkbooks to the guy.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0908/Fox_demands_McCain_camp_remove_Garrett_from_ad.html

"We demand that you immediately remove Mr. Garrett's voice from this ad. As Mr. Garrett is a nonpartisan news correspondent covering the Obama campaign for Fox News, it is highly inappropriate, among other things, of your campaign to use him in your ad."

CBS on McCain's negative campaigning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zRVmcTwto

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_welfare.html




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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 5:10:48 AM   
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Probably the most disrespectful of all was the Ayers attacks.  Obama had an incredibly loose connection with Ayers, as did several republicans which isn't brought up, and it was blown completely out of all reasonable proportion.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

McCain cranks out some false and misleading attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 5:15:39 AM   
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Karl Rove: McCain's Ads Have Gone Too Far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L16IVxHB4lY

Fox News Megyn Kelly Takes Tucker Bounds To Task McCain Ads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FScnrvVfZE

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 5:32:36 AM   
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Thank you, Kaine.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 5:39:21 AM   
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Yeah... when a sleezebag like Rove says you've gone too far, you know that you're in the realm of unreality for sure.

Oh, and McCain didn't really attack Obama that much on William Ayres... he left that up to the "pitbull with lipstick." Sarahcuda was more than happy to oblidge. Like most political neophytes, she loved shoveling shit wherever possible. It helps keep from having to actually provide reasoned responses on policy, or having to answer difficult questions about geography, or what she reads. He was too busy grandstanding, pretending he was "rushing back to Washington to fix the economy." Or else he was looking up to "Joe the Plumber" the way a piss slave looks up to his leather deaddy.

Looking back, it's easy to see all the mis-steps, the fuckups, and the total assholishness projected by the McCain campaign. These were the fuckups of the party... not of McCain himself. Unfortunately, McCain is a member of this, the "Geriatric Officious Panderers."

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 7:22:04 AM   
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Now he is agreeing with Obama's withdrawal plan in Iraq... the same plan he raged against before the election. I do like McCain but he is not presidential material... The country made the right choice between the two.

 
It's probably easy to confuse the policies of the man and the political machine he represents, he may have agreed on many issues but you have to set yourself apart policy wise. Now you see perhaps the true opinions of him when he has some distance between himself and the campaign machine. This is the main problem with politics i.e. during the election you say something and in power you do another, it's why people lose faith with the whole process because they are constantly being promised things that never happen. Promised things by people trying to set themselves apart with their promises.



I'm sure not a politician but if I was...lol...I would say what I mean and mean what I say...as they say. Even if it agreed with my opponents position… I would try to convince the voters I could do it better.

I don’t think we need someone who would say one thing to get elected and, not just something different, but completely opposite once in power.

I’m not sure if he is speaking his true feelings without control of the party or he doesn’t think through his position and easily changes his mind. Either way he would have been a scary president.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 7:35:16 AM   
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You are right two things help you get elected: firstly your policies have to strike a chord with the electorate and secondly you have to be passionate about them because that indicates you are the organ grinder not the monkey. I think McCain made the common mistake during the election of parroting the party line to play it safe with core supporters, which was evident in his unenthusiastic speeches compared to his opponent. It’s easy for the public to determine consciously or subconsciously if the politician believes in what they say. This is what the party machine take for granted time and time again, honesty is always the best policy but have you ever seen a politician that wasn’t proven to have lied at some point, honest politicians are a rarity here.

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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 7:57:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: corysub

I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.


I have no sympathy.  He did it to himself by running one of the dirtiest, underhanded campaigns I've seen.


Obviously, you don't know what the Bushies did to McCain when they ran against him.  From Wikipedia:

"An anonymous smear campaign began against McCain, delivered by push polls, faxes, e-mails, flyers, and audience plants.[125][141] The smears claimed that McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCains' dark-skinned daughter was adopted from Bangladesh), that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a "Manchurian Candidate" who was either a traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days.[125][135] The Bush campaign strongly denied any involvement with the attacks.[135]"

Also, the Bushies claimed that Max Cleland was not patriotic enough. I suppose they thought that losing only three limbs wasn't enough.


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RE: McCain see why I did not vote for him - 3/1/2009 11:17:39 AM   
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I voted for McCain because he represented the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I didn't like the man, his politics, his willingness to surrender to liberal democrats and declare it to be bi-partisan compromise.  McCainn was  picked by the media who were totally concerned that Mitt Romney not only was the guy who looked like a president, but had the experience and qualifications to actually beat the democrat nominee.  And so they attacked the man...not his politics...his religion, not his politics....and gave McCain tens of millions of free of negative campaign propaganda that put him in the position ...to lose.


That's right, Cory.....It is absolutely horrible when you attack someone on a personal level...when you say things that have no bearing on the campaign just to make a person look bad and try to garner a few votes. It's sad indeed when someone with no scruples, no decency, no moral standing whatsoever tries to falsely denigrate someone just to win a campaign. Take, for example, this horrible specimen of a political hatchet job:

[color="#000000" size="2"]"The word is that he (McCain) wouldn't have made the grade as a naval aviator had not his father and grandfather been flag officers, but that's beside the point. [color="#000000" size="2"]

McCain was awarded a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals, two Purple Hearts and a dozen service awards. Unfortunately the narratives for the awards only speak of his having undergone extreme mental and physical cruelties at the hands of his captors, and were described as "boilerplate" and

"part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnam-era) POWs" by Naval officers Hack interviewed. The medals were basically given out for being there, not for heroism.
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The problem here is not that McCain didn't have terrible things done to him for a long time -- he did. The problem is that neither he -- nor anybody else who was in prison camp -- had a choice about whether they were endangered. But medals for heroism are supposed to be given out for actual heroic action, taken willfully and at great personal risk. They shouldn't be awarded simply because someone survived an involuntary ordeal. And didn't survive it as well as many others. McCain was quoted as saying "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital" four days after his capture and later signed a confession declaring himself a war criminal. And although McCain refused an early release, the word is that he was ordered to do so by his U.S. POW commander.
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It was unquestionably a long, painful nightmare for McCain to log all that time in a North Vietnamese prison and, for that, he deserves genuine sympathy -- the kind of sympathy you reserve for someone who survived a five year battle with cancer. And the experience may (or may not) have made him a better person. But based on the facts, he's not a war hero. And it speaks poorly of him to let his handlers promote him to the public in that way."
[color="#000000" size="2"][WorldNetDaily.com]"

Was this the work of one of those Dasterdly Democrats? No..it was Carl Rove's office in 2000 who tried to destroy the image of McCain as a war hero in light of Bush's history of not getting any closer to the war than Texas.

But go ahead, blame the Democrats, the liberals, and anyone else you like, Cory. Oh...I heard it's going to rain today...DAMN those Democrats, right?


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