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College???


worth it
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mostly worth it
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not worth it
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I was fine with out it
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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:23:34 PM   
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"Is college worth the time and money? What is it like? Do you regret going, or not going? Share anything you want on the matter, I’d love all the information and opinions."

Is it worth the time? For me, yes, absolutely.
Is it worth the money? I believe so. Even with the student loans and even with the text book fees.
What is it like? I loved it. Every minute.
Do I regret going? Never.

I spent five and a half years going for my B.A. in English Literature. Yes, five and a half years. I was the first in my family to go, had no idea what I wanted to be or how to navigate the system, and so it took me longer than it should have. If you ask people they will tell you a degree in Lit is mostly useless unless you would like to teach or critique, or maybe edit. I was a bit spoiled in that I had drastically reduced tuition because one of my parents was an employee of the university...and this allowed me to spend time in what would otherwise have been "useless" classes (useless for my degree--not for knowledge. I think all knowledge is useful). I'm quite happy with the time that I spent, so please don't knock it.

I took classes in singing, went on singing tours of the US and actually sang backup for a rather famous person. I took classes on Islam, Judaism and the Bible. I took ancient art and architecture courses on Egypt, Greece and Rome--how cool is that? I took women's studies classes, and geology and geography and astronomy. I signed up for a class on magic and science, but couldn't really get into it. Oh, goodness...don't forget the human sexuality class! To me it was worth every minute.

The vast majority of my friends are from my college days. My time, while not as productive as it could have been, was well spent learning both academic and life lessons.
I have a theory that I have not fully developed yet, but it goes something like this: Once you graduate from high school you are well versed in facts and formulas. Concepts, even. My "smartest" point in life was when I graduated high school. I could spout off facts on a number of things. In pursuit of a higher degree, one learns to be more self reliant...a self starter... in college, at least for me...I got deeper views on things from different perspectives. I learned how to look at things…maybe even TO look at things. When I graduated college I had a deeper concept of the world at large, and the people in it. I think post graduate degrees tend to have you search out the information yourself, though I am not (by any means) an expert (on any of this, really! LOL ). I once had a professor quote that you don't really get to think for yourself until you go for your Masters degree....

I have a few friends that opted not to go to college. I am making more money than all of them. If you are looking at it from purely a financial perspective then a degree makes you more marketable, and generally for higher paying jobs. Note I said generally. There is, however, a point where you become too "degree-d" for your own good. When I was interviewing for my current job I was up against a PhD... who had theories, studies and ideas all laid out for the position I am in now. (Not gloating) I'm not sure, but I think I got the job because I was younger and more..."mold-able"?

I have found that inequality in education leads to difficulties in relationships…or at least it has for me. Mostly men that I have dated that did not have a B.A. or a “higher education” felt threatened intellectually, and some felt the need to “prove” they were smarter than me, or put my degree down- say it was a waste of money, so forth. Or maybe I just dated jerks. I dunno.

I love learning. College was the best life experience I have had yet. I'm plotting out my M.Ed. and plan on finishing that before 32, then maybe...hopefully my Ph.D. before 45. I think “Dr.--” has a nice ring to it...

One thing my dad always said to me… once you have it, no one can ever take it away from you.

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:29:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		as a military spouse, and by requirements that i meet, i can go to college for free, if i go full time.
this is a recent thing for the military.
Master say He wants me to go. end of discussion.
i just fear that i will go and that it won't benifit anything.
i can already draw. if i go to college, then i will have a paper telling other people that i can draw?
i have the drive to learn, but fear i'd not have any ambition thats needed to put a degree to use.
does that make sence or am i way off in thinking?

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:37:36 PM   
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as a military spouse, and by requirements that i meet, i can go to college for free, if i go full time.
this is a recent thing for the military.
Master say He wants me to go. end of discussion.
i just fear that i will go and that it won't benifit anything.
i can already draw. if i go to college, then i will have a paper telling other people that i can draw?
i have the drive to learn, but fear i'd not have any ambition thats needed to put a degree to use.
does that make sence or am i way off in thinking?


In a way I see what you are saying, though there is also the approach to learn for the sake of learning. You may not use that degree yet you will use many aspects on different areas of your life. I  don't regret that I never fully utilized my college diploma though I find that now I am self employed and run a home based business creating and selling hand crafted jewelry, I am able to accurately appraise semi precious stones and calculate the market value of a cut and polished gem stone. It is surprising how a degree or a diploma can be used in indirect career goals!


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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:48:32 PM   
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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:56:09 PM   
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Let me add, please…

I went to a larger, metropolitan university with lots of options for degrees, classes and social organizations. My experience was both academic and social, and totally positive.

I prefer classroom settings to online classes, as I prefer discussions and debates on points rather than sifting through research on a computer, looking for the “right” answer-or the answer the professor wants to see.

I’ve also taken classes recently at a community college and I, personally, find that the professors (to me) leave something to be desired. I will say that small colleges are much more personal, and work more closely with you.

To me, it’s a trade off. I know that I can manage in a large school where sometimes you just feel like a number, and I would prefer that-with high quality instruction rather than the “close-knit” family feel with less qualified, or less experienced professors. (AGAIN, this is just my experience.)

You’ll want to check and make sure that any classes you take at a CC will transfer to a traditional degree program. Some will not. You’ll also want to make sure that the college you are attending is not a “degree-mill”…ask if they are accredited by the US Department of Education (I think-- I just did a search for this the other day…can’t remember where I searched it….)

Most major universities have smaller CC style campuses, that will lead you directly into your degree path. Just call the admissions office and ask for an appointment, come in with questions…take notes, and get a number of a REAL PERSON to talk to so when more questions pop up( I always think of questions after the meeting!) you can call and talk to someone who knows.

If you have been out of school for a while, or really just want to dip a toe in to see if you like it…try a summer class? They are much more relaxed, and they tend to offer things that you will need in the future.

In my experience the introduction courses are a lot more work than you would think. They sort of have to be, though, to lay the foundation for the higher level courses. For instance, Introduction to Physical Geography was awful for me because a) I hate science and B) it bored me to tears. Taking a higher level geography class was much more enjoyable because it discussed the “higher level” concepts that I found interesting-- like the politics of geography and why families tend to stay in the same place.

Personally I tried not to take 100 and 200 level courses in anything. I tried to stick to the 300 level because I found that the concepts were interesting but not overwhelming in their abstract-ness.

Don’t worry so much about being out of school. Think of it as you have different life experiences to draw on.

ACT/ SAT may not be necessary, contact the college itself. Do this before you get scared and talk yourself out of it….( I don’t know you personally, but I do this to myself a lot!)


"i just fear that i will go and that it won't benifit anything."  
Won’t pleasing him be a benefit? And, since it is free, what is the drawback?

"i can already draw. if i go to college, then i will have a paper telling other people that i can draw?"
If you want to teach drawing in the future, it is necessary.

"i have the drive to learn, but fear i'd not have any ambition thats needed to put a degree to use."
What ambition? I’m not sure I understand (and I am not trying to be snarky J ). If you are going to get the education for the sake of learning, then the mission is accomplished simply by going and engaging in class. If it is your ambition, or his ambition, for you to use that degree in the future, then all you have to do ( it sounds simple, but I do realize that it isn’t) is finish and find a job where the degree, in whatever it is, is useful.


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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 3:58:49 PM   
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Go.

Take a variety of classes, see what sparks your interest - something will.  Whether or not it becomes your "career", you will know more, have had a invaluable experience in general (college is fun and there are SO many cool classes) and - knowledge is power.  You can use it however you want, but it definitely won't hurt you to learn new things!  Except math....

I initally went to college on an art scholarship....then i was a history major, then biology.  Then i went to vet school.  I can still draw...but i got a few more talents along the way.

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 4:02:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		If it's free, and you are serious about going and aren't going to screw around, go. Don't go on a scholarship and blow it off, it's an insult to people who bust their rear ends to go, racking up huge college loans. 

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 4:12:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whilst I absolutely like my social work course in UK...I only do it as you dont get very far financially in this country as a support worker and - even more worse - support workers don't even need a qualification to work with people over here (which is very different in germany as you have to have good results after completing at least the middle level of the school forms, after year 10, you still have to do a 4 year qualification before you are qualified to work with vulnerable people and that makes a HUGE difference in the quality of work and care provided) which was not satisfying to me just keep working here as a support worker, where you are more a handy cleaner and storer for the people instead of ACTIVELY working with them on their behaviour and development.

Therefore IF I wouldn't have left my country half a decade ago or if the job market at home would be good again by now...I would NOT have studied...I probably would neither have studied here if I could leave here as decent from this salary as I could in germany as at home only 1/5th of my salary went into the rent of a 2 bedroom flat (inclusive electricity and water bills) whereas here 4/5th of my salary goes into my 1 bedroom flat...

Therefore to study here was only a means to an end to improve in longterm my financial income AND my job satisfaction, to be able to work with qualified colleagues again.

Now, on the other hand by now, struggling between Uni and working next to Uni to meet ends need....I am glad to be in a lovely course and that I made great friends....but I already said to course mates, that I would NOT repeat anything here if I would have to repeat a module or so. So far I passed everything in the first attempt, but if I would fail something and would have to re-do it instead of just re-submitting it, I would say "Thanks, but no thanks."

Because then I would prefer to just work for a few months or another year before I leave UK for good anyway and continue my studies in a future country (which might be new zealand in the future) or go back home to germany.

I do like my course a lot, but overall I am tired, as I already have 2 qualifications from germany (one lasted 2 years, the other 4 years) and now I am in my 2nd year of studies...and quite frankly I am a bit tired of it now and as in addition I got unfortunately a crap placement (as my uni really used their "common sense" to place me into a care home even when I already have 9 years residential home experience...) my motivation dropped on a record low this year...but thank goodness its over in 10 weeks time...

So I think the studies are worth it and I am happy with my uni....but in general I am also a fair bit tired by now and would not be bothered to repeat anything over here... therefore as long as I stay in this course I will do it and hopefully have my degree next year summer. But if not...well, then not over here

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 4:50:41 PM   
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quote:

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i just fear that i will go and that it won't benifit anything.
i can already draw. if i go to college, then i will have a paper telling other people that i can draw?
i have the drive to learn, but fear i'd not have any ambition thats needed to put a degree to use.



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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 5:15:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Is college worth the time and money? What is it like? Do you regret going, or not going? Share anything you want on the matter, i'd love all the information and opinions.





I had some of my best experiences in college. Yes, I have crazy huge student loan payments each month, yes I am still broke. BUT, I'm going somewhere I can see my future and with the economy the way it is right now I don't think I'd be as successful as I am now and am going to be without college. I did a lot of growing up in college learned a lot education wise and non education wise. College makes more sense now that I've graduated twice. I'm glad I pushed myself. I'm glad I struggled and I'm glad I payed for it all by myself. it was the best thing I ever did for ME.

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 5:37:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Is college worth the time and money?

i thought it was since i was the first in my family to attend college

quote:

What is it like?

i attended an historical Black university - it was an interesting yet learning experience being immersed in an-all Black surrounding compared to where i lived in Chicago. i had to face stereotypes about life in Chicago (ie all residents live in ghettos or public housing, everyone's in a gang et al) and myself while there.  still i had fun ...made friends ...joined the social clubs and Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc.

quote:

Do you regret going, or not going?

i don't regret going. i did a semester in London one year and then Madrid.   



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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 5:50:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FelineFae

Is college worth the time and money? What is it like? Do you regret going, or not going? Share anything you want on the matter, i'd love all the information and opinions.





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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 7:01:04 PM   
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I regret not having gone straight into a Master's program. Unfortunately none of the local universities offer a libray science program and I can't commute two hours each way as well as take care of my youngun.

I regret not having done the same, DesFIP.  I'm actually preparing to get my Master's in library science but not at a local university.  Distance education is where it's at.  Several folks in our library system have gotten degrees from Texas Women's University, University of Alabama and others.  They have nothing but praise for the programs.  Maybe you could look into such a program............luci 


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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 7:39:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Funny thing, it took me a while to understand exactly what it was that I got from going to college but, I was a young man. At the time I thought it was the greatest playground I had ever found, frat boy, student body Pres. and binge drinker deluxe!....As I worked on my Masters I found out I had actually gotten a fine education!
In life I use the knowledge I garnered through my education every day and I wasn't a business major nor an MBA grad.
Education is beneficial beyond what we realize until we use it.


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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 7:52:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im going to be starting school in September here. Ive been working for 3 years, and Ive finally realized that I have to work smarter, not harder, to get more out of life and in my paycheck. Im not going to be screwing around partying or "experimenting". Ive done that, dont want to again. Whats the best grants to look into for student aid?

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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 7:56:23 PM   
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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 8:47:43 PM   
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Try FAFSA? 

Just google it...




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RE: College??? - 2/25/2009 10:35:12 PM   
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quote:

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Im going to be starting school in September here. Ive been working for 3 years, and Ive finally realized that I have to work smarter, not harder, to get more out of life and in my paycheck. Im not going to be screwing around partying or "experimenting". Ive done that, dont want to again. Whats the best grants to look into for student aid?


See if you qualify for the PELL, or if the Lotto sponsors scholarships in your state. In GA, you can get a lot of help from the Hope scholarship- sponsored by the ga lotto. Either way, yes, start with the FASFA.... don't forget your pin  either.


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RE: College??? - 2/26/2009 12:30:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		This question is actually tough for me to answer.
 
The time I spent in college right out of highschool, doing as much partying etc as I did studying - while working on a degree that is positively worthless - not worth it.  I was no where near ready for the Real opportunities that college represented at 18/19 straight out of high school. 
 
The times that I've gone back since then, as a non-traditional (and much older/wiser) student - definately worth it.  I've stuck with primarily community colleges/junior colleges as a non-traditional, and taken classes that were specific to career goals.  Since I got All of my non-profession related yet required courses taken care of years ago when I was in my late teens/early 20s - I don't have to worry about those these days, even if I put down a "major" that is completely unrelated to anything I've done in the past.
 
Now, like many others here, what I truely Regret are my old student loans.  While I needed them - they paid for a great deal of my flight time during my primary and instrument flight training - it's a real bitch keeping them from being constantly in default, since the interest acrues so damned quickly, and even filing bancruptcy won't get those off your record.  (Yes, that's right, I let payments on my old student loans slide so I could use the money to start a business instead - I know, shame on me, I'll slap my hand later.)  The only way to get them refinanced is to go through a Loan Rehabilitation Program with the department of education - set (but low) payments for a specific number of months, they take the loans out of default (which  means I can finally get student financial aid again to pay for more courses with grants and scholarships) and then "sell" the loan to a different party that reworks it at a much lower interest rate than the 18% that most of them were originally taken out at.  (Hey, interest rates have changed a LOT in the past 10 to 20 years - they're lower now, and loans should reflect that!)  Just getting them off my credit record as being in default is going to help significantly in some regards.  Though in all honesty, my "plan" is to pay them off in a lump sum once dad dies and the life insurance check comes in.  They come out of default as of the 6th of March - which means that I'll probably apply for financial aid in the form of grants/scholarships for the fall semester, and start taking courses again to finish up a couple of the degrees I've already worked on - finish the 2 classes I need to finish for my psych degree, take the 5 or 6 classes I still need in order to finish my website design/management degree, finish the 4 classes I need to finish my music degree, take the 2 classes I need to finish my aviation degree....... and once those are all done in a couple of semesters, take some art classes and business management classes.
 
I admit I'm odd - I Thrive in the academic setting, in traditional classrooms - even if the majority of my classmates are younger than my oldest spawn.  I learned years ago how to tune them out and ignore them so that I could get on with the business that I was there for - learning whatever I could manage to cram into my brain in a given semester.

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RE: College??? - 2/26/2009 5:03:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello feline,
If you can go for free, go.  It can be fun and you can meet folks - you seem pretty much a social butterfly and that could truly feed your spirit.

As for you already being able to draw.  Yeah, that is a drag, but sometimes people who want to hire you want first to know that you can stick something out.  And THEN can you draw.  Because most careers are somewhat intermingled, having only one skill is a draw back.

I will give you this caveat, though.  I have tremendous student loans also - I come from a very poor family and we had no idea how to do things, and my high school guidance counselor told me nothing of real value.  Now, I have a Master's degree, and I am certified to teach English as a Foreign Language.  However, I can't get a job.  I'm not licensed in THIS state and to become licensed, I need another Master's degree, years of "training" and to pass an exam.  Despite 10 years of experience and having taught some of this very stuff.  Also, I can't teach because I'm not certified in a different kind of teaching.  *le sigh.  Now I'm going back to take a 2 week course to become a home health aide... you know the person who goes to people's houses and helps them with little things like fixing their meals, helping them walk from the bedroom to the living room, wiping their butts. 

I honestly resent that I was told that an education would make my world better.  Well, now I'm overqualified for even a secretarial job (despite typing 75 wpm) and I'm "undereducated" in my field in which (in a different state) I am considered an expert and was offered a job by the FBI. 

And I have huge student loans that I will have to pay back.

I loved doing the work I did.  I loved being a secretary, I love helping people.  I resent the lies I was fed.  An education is NOT the end all and be all.  It is, a good place to start, though.  If I could go for free, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  I'd go to nursing school and get a good job afterward.

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