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forwardbias -> Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 5:08:15 AM)

I am curious about Violet Wands, not for actual S/M play. But where you can get a vintage device. I am very into the electrical reserach of Nikola Tesla, which his air core resonant transformer (Tesla Coil) Really made things like Radio and Television communications possible, they are also fun hobby projects for making stuff spark, ion engines, and was used in his proposal for gas discharge lights that required no wires. I have plans as well as a link to a site that sells a SSTC. Teslas coil was spark gap pulsed in 1891 when it was invented, solid state coils have the same effect, but dont generate all the EMF noise as a Spark Gap coil, also the spark gap needs cleaned and the contacts need replaced over time. I have seen videos of a vintage violet wand device, makes about 6-12" streamers, the tubes glow purple, at that range I am guessing about 100-250KV, but low current (micro amps). Anyone know what a vintage set would run for? Or a working replica of a device? I am amused by early AC electrical engineering, and DC as well. The box had a light on it, and a rotery switch to adjust I am guessing current into the primary transformer, it was copper bars on a semi circle, an arm on top would let you adjust current. I forget what sort of theropy is was used for, something with joints in the knees or something though, a similar treatment is used today, just using much more advanced electronics, discs are places over the knee, and a modern digital box on a cart delivers the voltage.

Dont get me started on the Titanics electrical system, the DC plant on Titanic was bigger and more advanced than any power plant in a city. 1.6MW of power, 100 volts at 16,000 Amps, 4 dynamos each rated at 400KW. The 1.6MW was then fed through a feeder switchboard of 28 breakers, those were divided into smaller breakers like what you would find in your house. There were no self regulationg diodes or transistors then, as the load changed, DC is load dependant, operators in the electric plant would adjust the RPM's of the dynamos, which ran off steam, if more power was needed as voltages dropped under 100V, they raised steam pressure, as load eased and voltages went above 100V, they lowered the steam, this was done by levers on 4 master breakers, each had 8 control levers to adjust the speed of the Dynamos, the levers adjusted gears to run at lower or higher RPM's depending on the load requirements at the time.

Interesting how they did stuff back then before computers, voltage regulators and solid state stuff was invented. Vaccuum tubes did exist, such as on Titanics wireless in the detector circuit, they were very simple at the time, and no sort of automatic switching circuits existed at the time except for electro-mechanical logic gates, which Tesla used in an 1897 invention of the first radio control device. 100 years ago, they could do alot electronics wise without solid state components.

Some of his experiments were quite amazing, in one experiment, he pumped 10 million volts into the earth at resonance, when the current came back, it made 130 foot lightning bolts that could be heard from 22 miles away. The power was greatly amplified, however his experiment for free enegy was too much for the Colorado Springs power plant, the generator burst into flames due to a massive overload from the excess power. The earth resonates at around 6Hz, by the way, resonance  is when waves match or harmonics match, things are still not fully explained as to how a Tesla Coil can make so much voltage gain, some think its something with Zero Point Energy. What is known is that the Capacitive and Inductive reactance, when they match in a TC, rather than canceling out, makes for a huge gain in voltage. This theory of resonance is how radio and television were invented. Tesla actually invented radio, his coil and spark gap design, and in an experiment, claimed to pick up signals from space from intellegent life, this was later disproved, odds are, he picked up signals from Earths electromagnettic fields, the Sun or Jupiters radiation belts. That dont matter where the signals came from though, as he ecentially made the radio, before Macoroni did, Macoroni actually used Teslas coil design and spark gap in the Macoroni Wireless. Tesla also did research into RADAR research, though he did not make a working device, at least thats what "Big Brother" claims, he made plans on paper that later led to Radar 50 years later. Tesla also did work on a  Death Ray, using his large resonance tower, in 1908 he fired it over the Arctic, letting an expidition that would be out there at the time if they noticed anything. The ray made a very dim beam, afterwards a mysterious explosion happened over Tungusta with a force of 15MT of TNT. No meteorite fragments were found, and its still a mystery how 700+ square miles of forest was flattened in an instant.

Makes you wonder if Tesla really made the sort of Death Ray depicted in those 1950's sci fi movies, zap! nothing left of what got vaporised.

Anyways, sorry for the long thread. Who out there likes to play with electricity, but not in an S/M sence (Mad scientists, hobbiests, tinkerers, etc) I should admit that I also like to play with fire and burning lasers, guess I just like danger lol




DarkSteven -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 6:31:09 AM)

You're one helluva geek, my friend.  There is a place in Colorado Springs called OEM Parts that you would love.  Ir sells and has on display all manner of obsolete electronics, pneumatics, etc.  I know that Tesla lived in Colorado, maybe the Springs...




VeryNastyDom -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 7:55:35 AM)

Check out some of the ham radio sites, there are TONS of old electronics for sale and some radio still use tubes in the transmitting finals.  I have a friend who builds high-end audio gear (all tubes and surface mount components) and he keep a big Tesla coil around for testing tubes for leaks.  If the tube does not glow when the coil comes near, the gas has leaked out and the tube is bad. 

I don't think we are talking 100kV here, but most operating tube equipment will have lethal voltags inside.  They put bleeder resistors on those HV caps for a reason.




shivermetimbers -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 8:11:56 AM)

Tesla was introduced to me in the Marine Corps by an electronics instructor who taught us the real background of radio, not the publicized version, and Nicola became a hero of mine.  There was a  special on him just a few weeks back about his life, and the Colorado Springs experiment. 

One of the most intersting things that this instructor taught us was (and I know I'll hear the "flux capacitor" jokes from "Back to the Future") he was rumored to be working on something called a "flux" envelope, containing the electrical lines of flux from the atmosphere into a controlled "envelope".  The possibilities to be able to harness and control energy in this manner is endless, to include propulsion, and at zero gravity, the possibility to travel at the speed of light without mangling the occupants.  Just imagine using the earth's magnetism to supply all of our electrical and propulsion needs (and of course, think of the evil weapons!) without ever having to so much as dam a river, cut down a tree, drill for one drop of oil, or dig for a single lump of coal.

Wow, great thread, it does let me get in touch with my long lost geek side, and wonderful to see another fan of Nicola Tesla, one of the greatest scientists most people never heard of.





Maya2001 -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 1:29:54 PM)

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100 years ago, they could do alot electronics wise without solid state components.


well the 1960 apollo missions were the testing grounds for solid state components  but much of it had to rely older technologies such as   vaccuum tubes coils etc to launch,  control, for guidance, transfering critical condition info back to NASA's mainframes  and get those early crafts into space

..what they achieved with the available technology at the time was extra ordinarily impressive, this was at a time before even the calculator was invented, even just entering a complex mathematical equation into a computer at that time was tedious process if using cards and had lots of room for human error.

there is a store in germany that is a good source for older voilet wands  from the 20's and 30's
http://www.violet-wand-germany.biz/shop/index.php







Evility -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 2:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: forwardbias
I am curious about Violet Wands, not for actual S/M play. But where you can get a vintage device.


Ebay. I bought my old violet wand there. While it's not really quite as esoteric as what you seek there are many examples that might suit you. Search for "violet ray" or "quack medicine".




Prinsexx -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 3:05:14 PM)

Silly question really...but why would I like to play with electricity if it was not in a bdsm context?




VeryNastyDom -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 3:39:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Silly question really...but why would I like to play with electricity if it was not in a bdsm context?


If you have to ask, you will never be enough of a geek to understand.  [:)]

Some of us actually like to go through the trash, pick out metal objects, and build something cool out of what we find.  If our creation emits modulated radio waves, all the better.  If it stimulates a sub, that is great too.

How about a circuit design thread where the winner is the first to create a workable design that both emits modulated RF and stimulation?




LadyPact -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (2/25/2009 3:47:32 PM)

All this post did was make Me think of Sir Dale.  God, he has the best electric contraptions.  




VeryNastyDom -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (3/1/2009 2:57:01 PM)

I ran across this today.  I didn't know Tesla was into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp5Qqs746-4&feature=channel_page




forwardbias -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/20/2009 6:36:50 PM)

Electricity is fun as non bdsm play, as its cool, playing with dangerous toys. Stuff that makes noise, makes sparks, lights stuff on fire, maybe I am just a pyro. There is also the fact that if you know what you are doing, its quite safe, but yet when you post youtube videos, all the comments "OMG!!! Thats so dangerous!!!" or simply "WOW" like a vid I put up of my burning laser putting a hole in a floppy disk in about a second. Tesla put on such shows in his lab, holding balls of glass in his hands that would glow brightly in his hands, (Gas Discharge Lights) that he later invented that did not need wires, they could be mounted in a holder or carried, and as long as in the field of a tesla coil, would glow brightly. Modern flourescent tubes and neon lights rely on electric discharge to excite the ions inside the tube, but its a direct applied current, for neon tubes its around 7KV at 30mA. Tesla himself stood on a platform, and energized it to more than 2 million volts. And showed no signs of discomfort or pain, and did this regulary, to show that his high frequency wireless AC was effective and safe, unlike Edisons bashings, claiming that AC was dangerous considering the high voltages, and even put on a show to counter Tesla, by electrocuting an elephant with 10KV of AC voltage.

AC won out though, which AC can be stepped up and stepped down, and sent across hundreds of miles of transmission lines, where with DC, you are limited to afew miles, so a large city would need multiple power plants if on a DC system. With AC, one power plant can power cities, towns and suburbs.

Teslas idea of free power to everyone though, and wireless transmission of energy never made it comercially though. After JP Morgan realized what Teslas plan was, he cut funds and put him on blacklist to recieve funding for his project. On a huge tesla coil tower in NJ I think it was. Tesla went bankrupt on the idea, and the tower was razed before completion. If Tesla had gone through with that project, we would not have such a reliance on oil as we have right now.

Thank corperate greed for that now, after Tesla died, all his books, logs of experiments were snatched up, and never heard from again. Tesla died in the 1940's, without a penny worth to his name, dispite his grand ideas. And when bush was still in power, even with confirmed reports of global warming effects of burning fossil fuels, he pushed on invading the middle east for cheap oil, and there is some evidence that shows that 9/11 was made by the US, just to invade Iraq, though that plan failed and after 2 trillion dollars wasted, gas prices soaring, and people losing homes, I guess the "USSA" is finally backing down from that epic fail.

The USA is not a democracy, its a government controlled by rich money mongers. The elite in the circle simply care for themselves, so they continue to support big oil. Big oil gives them money, if they dont work on new energy plans to break free from oil, big oil pays them, and its to the point now. I heard of a guy in CA, used a machine to power his home using free energy, he got a state court summons, judge told him he had no charges to issue him but that he was sentanced to prison, without any charges of any crimes. He spent several years in prison before finally getting an appeal, and back on free energy research, but with threats from people to stay quiet.

I guess the greedy buttwipes are fine with oceans rising 25 feet or more, massive global changes, mass famine and death, and wars, just to ensure that everyone remains a slave to oil. The US in its early stages was much like Greece, an actual democracy, but over time, has become a power like Rome. And much like Rome, the system got corrupted.

Maybe I am just too damn liberal, but if a liberal actually became president, they would surely fix the way stuff is now. If the USA is so great, instead of causing wars with the middle east, and trying to invade them for cheap energy, fusion, and even cold fusion experiments have been done, which the US covered up the results of cold fusion tests done at MIT, which cold fusion is possible, excess energy as well as heavy water being fused into metals, as tests showed metals present after the experiment not there before the experiment. But low radiation levels, and no physical toxic waste.

Once Rome got corrupted with the addiction of controll and conquest, look what happened to Rome, it fell.




Joseff -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/20/2009 8:55:50 PM)

Tesla was a fascinating man, and like DeVinci, we probably don't know half of what he knew.  Keep up the good work, and you might check e-bay, they sometimes have violet wands on there.




breatheasone -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/20/2009 9:50:39 PM)

Are there any little electric thingys that would be safe and fun to play with?....Just askin... **looks down, and kicks the dirt kind of embarrassed**[:(]




missturbation -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/21/2009 7:36:24 AM)

I don't know any safe ones but i found sticking my finger in a plug socket fun and changing a light bulb without turning the light off. Warm fuzzy feeling and a bolting shock which threw me off the bed.
To be honest i don't see that much fun in electrical play, i'd rather go play with the traffic and do every time i set foot outside the house according to Sir. I don't look when i cross roads [:)] Hey the traffic should stop for me!!




breatheasone -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/21/2009 8:42:33 PM)

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Hey the traffic should stop for me!!

Thats whats up....[:)]




hotnspicysub -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/21/2009 8:57:08 PM)

Like everything else we do, violet wands and tens units are safe enough when used properly. As for wheter you like electrical play, that just comes down to personal preference.




Joseff -> RE: Violet Wands and Electricty... Greed (5/21/2009 9:09:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hotnspicysub

Like everything else we do, violet wands and tens units are safe enough when used properly. As for wheter you like electrical play, that just comes down to personal preference.

Just for the record, that's me. Still trying to figure out how it got in debbie's profile, the screen clearly says: Logged in as Joseff. Its Yahoo's fault, clearly.




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