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Sanity -> RE: Report on Guantanamo meets the requirements of the Geneva Conventions (2/25/2009 7:07:55 AM)


"By law"? What "law". You think that when prisoners of war (actually non uniformed combatants) are captured on the battlefield half way around the world, that they have the same rights as you do when the local cops want to arrest you in your living room?

You think our soldiers are "law enforcement officers"?

That's just nonsense.


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
Yes it is, because when you can lock up ANYONE and detain them indefinitely without bringing them to trial and allowing them the due process of law then that is a threat to EVERYONE.

By law, the military and police do not have an arbitrary right to arrest anyone they believe to pose a threat, there has to be evidence or a reasonable suspicion of a crime.

That evidence or suspicion, again by law, can be challenged in court to prove or disprove.

What has happened here is the Bush administration has allowed the arrest of those who are not allowed a trial to dispute the charges against them.





joanus -> RE: Report on Guantanamo meets the requirements of the Geneva Conventions (2/25/2009 7:14:54 AM)

Reminds me of the fall of the Soveit. Sure their bases reported low stocks of guns missles and nuke, but at the same time where selling them out the back door to god only knows who.




rulemylife -> RE: Report on Guantanamo meets the requirements of the Geneva Conventions (2/25/2009 7:45:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


"By law"? What "law". You think that when prisoners of war (actually non uniformed combatants) are captured on the battlefield half way around the world, that they have the same rights as you do when the local cops want to arrest you in your living room?

You think our soldiers are "law enforcement officers"?

That's just nonsense.


To begin with, many of those labeled as "enemy combatants" were actually turned over for the reward money our government was so freely handing out.

Unfortunately, it was a "no questions asked" policy.

So if you thought someone was banging your wife, you could tell our military that he was an enemy combatant and have him arrested, not only solving your own personal problem but making some cash on the deal as well.  Kind of a win-win situation.

Second, yes they are law enforcement officers.

While we still like to call it a war, it hasn't been a war for many years, since Dubya announced "mission accomplished".

It is an occupation, which by definition is a security function, which in turn, by definition, makes them law enforcement officers.

Lastly, if we do not provide those detained the same rights that we tout as freedom, and we hold people without an opportunity for a trial to attempt to prove their innocence, what does that say about those rights and that freedom we proclaim to the rest of the world exists in this country?




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