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MasterG2kTR -> Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 5:08:35 PM)

There is an astronomical event coming that may be of interest to some. Comet Lulin is approaching our solar system and from the information I have read it is a rather unusual comet. Here are a couple related links describing it and one that shows where and when to find it in the sky. For those that can't discern the skymap link. Look for it around midnight starting saturday at about 30 degrees above the horizon in the south eastern sky. it may or may not be spectacularly bright, as most astronomers are not quite sure about it's magnitude since this is it's first recorded visit to our solar system.

http://www.visualastronomy.com/2009/01/comet-lulin.html
http://kathmanduk2.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/skywatch-comet-lulin-approaches/
http://media.skyandtelescope.com/documents/Comet_Lulin_Feb13.pdf




Sanity -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 6:37:05 PM)

I was reading about this yesterday -

The sky is supposed to cloud up around that time here in Idaho, but if I get a chance I'll be watching for it. Supposedly it's going to be a greenish color because it hasn't yet burned off its primordial gases, and it's coming in from the opposite direction that most comets do. This will supposedly be it's first and only visit because it will slingshot out into deep space as it swings past the sun.

Very cool!






outlier -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 7:55:14 PM)

Thank you for the links.

Since we have had the rains here in So Calif.
the skys are clear. I will be out looking for it.

Outlier




Vendaval -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 8:06:52 PM)

Nice!  I will be out for a stroll that evening.




GreedyTop -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 8:10:03 PM)

I'm gonna try to remember to look for it....




MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 8:11:20 PM)

Will this be spaceship or no spaceship?  I missed my ride with Hale Bopp.




rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 8:58:50 PM)

damn the stupid lights! 




Sanity -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 9:12:32 PM)


Maybe you didn't use the right kool-aid recipe.

Or did you even drink the kool-aid at all?

You have got to drink the kool-aid if you want to ride the comet!      [sm=chug.gif]


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ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast

Will this be spaceship or no spaceship?  I missed my ride with Hale Bopp.




popeye1250 -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 9:28:18 PM)

Cool! I'll take a ride down to the beach sat. night.




GreedyTop -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 9:54:32 PM)

I wish I could get onto MacDill... that'd be a great place to watch from




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/19/2009 11:24:46 PM)

Outstanding! As it happens, I'll be in spending this Sunday night in the Mojave Desert, and Tuesday the 24th, I'm going to be at Griffith Park Observatory in Los Angeles. So I'll get two good shots at it. The binocular viewing should be good from the Mojave, and it should be incredible through the scope at Griffith Park. This is gonna be way cool.




Crush -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/20/2009 7:35:31 AM)

Sounds cool...but then, I remember the "Day of the Triffids" when it was a green meteor shower that blinded everyone....  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 7:29:33 AM)

I ventured out last night to look for it, but I was met with disappointment. Had I left 15 minuted earlier I might have had a chance to view it, but just as I arrived to the location where I would have my best chance to view it, clouds began to move in, obscuring the area where it would be, yet straight up the sky was clear, and now we are expecting cloud cover for the next several days...... [sm=angry.gif]




Louve00 -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 9:09:00 AM)

Have you ever wondered what would happen if a comet were to hit the earth?  While there is no definitive proof one has, there is suspicion one might have.  If you ever heard of, or read about, the Siberian Apocalypse, you may or might have found it interesting.  This is not a hypothetical thing.  This really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpdBSNUQadM  (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEc-Tb6lgFo&feature=related  (Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br4JTfX4qC4&feature=related  (Part 3, talks about the comet theory)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKjE68J3hFA&feature=related (Part 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv5tdjq3gFA&feature=related (Part 5)

And if you're not sick of You Tube yet, here's something else I've been reading alot on.  (Well, not so much a polar shift, but that whole 2012 thing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahoPGzL50Q&feature=related (Polar Shift)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vloh6PuIHqE&NR=1 (meteor...I just like the clip)  :)






ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 11:45:51 AM)

There's no question at all that Earth has been hit by countless comets (and asteroids), and will be hit by many more. Over 170 large-object impact craters have been identified on Earth, ranging in size from about a .15 miles in diameter to over 200 miles (the Vreedevort Crater in South Africa). Other, even larger, impact sites are suspected, but more difficult to positively identify because they're so old they've been almost obliterated by geologic forces over the millenia.

Most of these known impacts have produced effects that can only be described as catastrophic. The worst of them can cause what is known as an "extinction level event" (ELE), or mass extinction of terrestrial life. At least 5 such ELEs have been idenitified over the course of Earth's history, and possibly as many as around 20 - the disagreement is largely a due to lack of clearly-defined standards for what constitutes a mass extinction. It should be noted that not all ELEs are proven to have been caused by impact events, but at least some have been, and in the 5 universally accepted ELEs, as many of 70% of all species on the planet (and in the case of the Permian-Triassic extinction, as many as 90%) were extinguished in each event. 

There's no question at all that Earth will be struck again by comets and asteroids, and that there will be more mass extinctions in the future. The only questions are when the next one will hit, and how big it will be. It's very unlikely that any ELE would extinguish all life on Earth, but even the most minor ELE would pretty much destroy modern human society and plunge us into a new Dark Age, and a larger ELE would quite probably wipe out the species altogether. Significant extinction events seem to occur on a cyclic basis, and if I recall correctly cycles of 26 to 30 million years , and 59 to 65 million years, have been postulated by various geologists. But my information is out of date, and it's possible that these two cycles have been discredited since I last read up on it - or confirmed, for all I know. I just don't feel like googling it right now because i'm hungry and i want to get to the beach to have some lunch.

But the point is, large-scale extinctions are regular occurences, seem to occur on a fixed cycle, and are known to at least sometimes be associated with cometary or asteroid impacts. The last major known catastrophic impact was 65 million years ago in the Yucatan Peninsula, and the next one may not happen again for tens, or even hundreds, of millions of years. Or, it could happen next week. We have no way of knowing, and no way of preventing it. So, keep one eye on the sky folks, and have a cheery day!




Vendaval -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 1:50:48 PM)

Gee, thanks Panda!  I feel so much better about all the planetary debris and technological artefacts floating around the solar system.  Skylab falling?  [8D]


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Or, it could happen next week. We have no way of knowing, and no way of preventing it. So, keep one eye on the sky folks, and have a cheery day!




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 2:24:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Gee, thanks Panda!  I feel so much better about all the planetary debris and technological artefacts floating around the solar system.  Skylab falling?  [8D]


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
Or, it could happen next week. We have no way of knowing, and no way of preventing it. So, keep one eye on the sky folks, and have a cheery day!



I think you'd look very cute in a motorcycle helmet!

No, seriously, man-made space debris is no real concern when we're talking about extinction-level events. Granted, you wouldn't want a piece of a satellite to fall on you, but if it did, it wouldn't have any effect at all on the guy across the street, other than to get him on CNN. What I'm talking about here are objects on the scale of several dozens of meters across minimum, usually several hundred meters, and in some cases (like the Yucatan strike) 5 or 6 miles in diameter. Most man-made debris is so small it burns up within a couple of seconds of hitting the atmosphere.

Really, the chances of this ever happening in our lifetimes is exceedingly small. But then again, the chance of it happening next week is just as good as the chance of it happening any other week for the next 10 million years. You just don't know. According to the Lowell University Near-Earth Object Search project, it is estimated that there are approximately 1600 near-earth objects (NEOs), or objects whose orbits cross that of Earth, in excess of 1 kilometer in diameter. Other estimates vary, but according to NASA, as of last month only 769 of them have been identified. If you accept the Lowell estimate for the sake of discussion, that means that over half of the estimated NEOs are just zipping around out there doing their own thing, and nobody knows where they are or when they'll cross our orbit. It's entirely possible that we could have as little as a day or two's notice - maybe even less - if one were coming directly at us. And there would be absolutely nothing at all that anyone could do about it.

Again, the chances of this happening in our lifetimes is exceedingly small, but when it does happen - whenever that may be - the chance that it will cause global catastrophe is 100%. It has happened, it will happen, and we only need to look at a map of Chesepeake Bay or the Sea of Japan to start to get some idea of what the effect would be.




Vendaval -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 2:41:16 PM)

I'm not worried, just teasing ya!  [sm=oddballs.gif]




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/21/2009 6:47:09 PM)

Yeah, but I still think you'd look pretty damned hot in a motorcycle helmet.




Vendaval -> RE: Comet Lulin (2/22/2009 1:26:22 AM)

Why not, I already have the biker jacket and leather boots.[;)]




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