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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/18/2009 8:18:01 PM   
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Back in the day I parlayed a comparative literature major into crunching marketing numbers, and managed to climb the ladder far more effectively than my comrades who majored in business.   College should teach you to read astutely, write lucidly, and think critically (since god knows K-12 doesn't do any of that).  If you can write something other than porn you're ahead of the game. 

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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/18/2009 10:19:36 PM   
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TRY TO GET AN INTERNSHIP
get something tangible on your resume.   if you are a good writer then also do some work for the college paper.

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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/18/2009 10:31:36 PM   
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I was considering going for an MFA (now it's just a pipe dream), too. Depending on which programs you look at many offer full tuition if you get in, some with a stipend and student teaching opportunities.

There are a lot more job options for literary types than you might initially think-- Have you considered the publishing industry? Literacy Outreach programs (I don't know where you're located but there's the 826.org things started by Dave Eggers of McSweeney's)? Teaching ESL? Teach for America? (This requires a pretty lengthy application process, though)? Copy editing? Tutoring?

At any rate, there's no harm in doing something mundane while you write the next Great American Stroke Story.

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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/18/2009 11:05:16 PM   
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I think you're hitting it too hard, Merc, but that's just me.

Any program that *doesn't* have you working under masters of the field is one that I'd be wary of attending. There's no point, then. I'd assume that any creative writing program will have him working under published and well-respected authors.

Speaking from my own experience: in education programs you *know* that your professors have taught real students, students from public schools. I haven't heard of a single program that doesn't require that the professors have at least a Master's (most of which require 3-5 years of experience to even start achieving), and an extra couple of years for good measure. That's how you raise your percentage of 'ok' teachers (and weed out those who would be bad) to 'good' teachers (or better). It also requires practicums (both student teaching, as well as other teaching episodes and teacher-created tests, as well as the licensure exams). It doesn't leave you with just a theoretical knowledge, but I haven't known *one* person who's graduated and felt completely prepared to take over a class room on their own (or, for music, a program on their own)! Fear is a natural reaction to a life changing event (such as a graduation, or a marraige, etc.). I bet you felt fear when you graduated high school before going off to college (I know I did, and I was more prepared than the average student where I went AND came from)!

I'm not IN the sciences, and I've only been to two colleges (one private, one public), but in both the students *DO* learn under 'masters' of the field. My previous university was a research-based university, and required ALL professors to have an active research topic (tenured or not), so all the professors are active within the major parts of their field, and well-published. I'm going to a less 'prestigious' college now, and, for the sciences, it's pretty much the same. It IS, essentially, learning from masters.

It may be different for community colleges, of course.

In general I'm for college education. I *do*, however, think that it's ridiculous how many people are (needlessly) going and getting degrees (especially those that have no application).



To the original poster:

What my one friend who's graduating with a Creative Writing degree is doing is applying to various graduate programs where publishing (with a national-read company) is PART of the process of getting your Master's Degree. I'd suggest doing this, if you can, and don't want to do anything but write.

Editting is another field that you can find work (especially if you have a general focus). One of my professors only taught because she liked to, but worked for a law firm editting their legal documents for spelling, grammar, and such... and she gets more than 100k a year (and has no legal expertise or certification)! She's self-employed by doing it, but I would suggest looking around for a company. I haven't checked out your profile to see where you're located, but if you can find a local publishing company (or a local office), look into what it takes to apply there for a non-writing, salary position. It may not be as glamorous as getting paid to write your great erotic novel, but it *will* pay the bills (of course, my friend's not willing to do this silly girl, she's actually gotten offers).

There's actually a lot that you can do with a creative writing degree... if you're willing to not have the focus of your career *be* writing (or have it as a secondary focus). It's like the old adage 'What do you do with a B.A. in English?'... A LOT! It's extremely versatile.

If your college has a job-fair (especially one aimed at liberal arts majors) go! Dress up and bring a bunch of copies of your resume! The best thing you can do is network and schmooze a little.

I feel you on the fear, but working through it, and especially not letting it impede your progress, will lead you somewhere that you'll love going!

EDIT TO ADD: Alumni associations for your college will also be your biggest friend! Hang out around there, especially if you're looking for a job, and network with them, too! I have a few friends who now have good, livable jobs right after college thanks to it!


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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/19/2009 2:27:07 AM   
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However, I also am aware that some of what is learned in Medical school and nursing school is also 'un-learned' in the practical application of that knowledge. It also is a test of practical application of the skills allegedly learned and documented on the degree.

You have a medical/nursing degree?
I do. Three of them, in fact. And i have to tell you this is BS.



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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/19/2009 8:20:12 AM   
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Granted, it was the top nursing school in Ohio (and one of the top ones in the US), but at my old school nurses were doing clinicals from day one that got steadily more difficult (about 6 hours a week, usually early, for their freshman year, up it to 12 for sophomores, usually more than that for Juniors (but not always) and 6 hours a *DAY* for Seniors).

Why would they have to unlearn things that they're learning in practical application already?

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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/19/2009 6:14:19 PM   
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If your degree is in communications, get a (non paid) internship with a marketing firm, ad agency or PR agency or in house marketing department (or, a non profit) and plan to spend 3 - 6 very solid months proving you can work harder and faster than anyone else in hopes that they will hire you at the end of your internship.

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RE: Graduating and Scared - 2/19/2009 7:41:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jmv0405

So I'm graduating in about three months. I've applied for grad schools in creative writing (I like to write about Sadomasochistic relationships), but they're extremely difficult to get into.

So, I have to find some kind of plan in case I don't get in, and I have no ideas at all of what else I would like to do. I do imagine myself writing about scene life, maybe dungeon play, is there feasible work in that (for a guy; obviously there is for women).

If not, does anybody have any ideas. Or if you're panicking too feel free to hop in.

I've heard the economy is in the crapper.


No kidding?

Huh....I bet it's not true...don't believe everything you read.

(Hey....what's that guy doing hooking up to my car....brb...)

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