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sirsholly -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 11:59:01 AM)

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College is a great source of unrealistic, theoretical knowledge.

Perhaps this generalization fits you. If so..sorry you wasted your time and money in college.
There are many of us, myself included, that gained a great deal of knowledge and experience in college.



Lynnxz -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 12:01:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: utahSteelsandi

Clinicals and Internships are not Curricular for college they are in addition to your college courses and are not funded by the school therefore you cannot consider either to be part of the functionality of college.

Steel



For many, these internships and clinicals are required to graduate, and credit hours are given. 

You cannot walk into a hospital and demand to be taught, you have to go through a college who is working with that particular site.



slaveboyforyou -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 12:06:26 PM)

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So, I have to find some kind of plan in case I don't get in, and I have no ideas at all of what else I would like to do. I do imagine myself writing about scene life, maybe dungeon play, is there feasible work in that (for a guy; obviously there is for women).


Why is there "obviously" work for women in writing about "scene life?"  Where did you come upon that nugget of knowledge?  Making a living as a writer is quite simple.  Either people want to buy your work, or they don't.  At 21 years old, I doubt you have enough experience in anything (BDSM or otherwise) to write knowledgeably about it. 

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If not, does anybody have any ideas. Or if you're panicking too feel free to hop in.

I've heard the economy is in the crapper. 


The economy is horrible in some areas of the country, and in other areas it's not so bad.  It depends on what kind of work your looking for.  If you want a sure thing, go down to any military branch recruiter and tell them your interested in OCS.  You'll have a good job, and when you get out, you'll be eligible for hundreds of Federal jobs.  I kick myself for not sticking with ROTC when I was in college.  I'd be a Captain by now.  



sirsholly -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 12:07:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

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ORIGINAL: utahSteelsandi

Clinicals and Internships are not Curricular for college they are in addition to your college courses and are not funded by the school therefore you cannot consider either to be part of the functionality of college.

Steel



For many, these internships and clinicals are required to graduate, and credit hours are given. 



agree. The clinical aspect is required in some fields



UPSG -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 12:30:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub

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ORIGINAL: Jmv0405

So I'm graduating in about three months. I've applied for grad schools in creative writing (I like to write about Sadomasochistic relationships), but they're extremely difficult to get into.

So, I have to find some kind of plan in case I don't get in, and I have no ideas at all of what else I would like to do. I do imagine myself writing about scene life, maybe dungeon play, is there feasible work in that (for a guy; obviously there is for women).

If not, does anybody have any ideas. Or if you're panicking too feel free to hop in.

I've heard the economy is in the crapper.


You "heard right"...the economy is not doing to well at the moment and the job prospects for the class of 2009 are not very bright short-term.  The one thing you have that even a poor economy can't take away is your knowledge gained in school.  Going for an advanced degree is probably the best way to spend the next two years if you can get into a school of choice, and can afford to spend the time.
In the interim, you might start by doing something that doesn't cost much.  Maybe start a blog and join the thousands of others out there. It might or might not be profitable but it could be a good place to hone your creative writing skills..Write about everything and anything that interests you...study the phrases and words people use to try to get a "reaction"...things you can use in your own style of writing possibly.

The internet is a treasure trove for people interested in "creative writing"...some of the best stringing of sets of words and phrases can be found on some chat venues...and you might also learn something about human psychology...and what it takes to motivate people to be interested in your writings.

Good luck...you have no where to go but up!!


This is good advice, Jm.

And congratulations.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 1:50:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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I've heard the economy is in the crapper.

You identified a cause right there. You are graduating college in three months and just "heard" about the economy?

You're coming from the same source as those presently running the government; academic theory and no practical knowledge or skill to survive, let alone thrive, in the real world. I expect you made very little contribution to your 'education' or you would have "heard" about the economy sooner and perhaps had something know as a 'plan' after the graduation party.

College is a great source of unrealistic, theoretical knowledge. Since you seem to think you can't 'do', I suggest you take the same route as your schools purveyors of knowledge - teach. You'll be insulated from reality, be part of a sacred order of employment - teacher's unions; and help perpetuate the world you are graduating into.

Good luck and congratulations on completing your indoctrination.

You know, you really need to lighten up and find a way to rid yourself of the bitterness that leads you into these constant rants.

To suggest that furthering one's education is useless and of no benefit in the real world is just mind-numbingly ignorant.

But to pounce on some kid asking for advice and admitting he's scared is just fucking wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
I am the most happy and content man in the universe. I have no bitterness or resentment whatsoever regarding anything. In fact, I've never been happier - THANKS for your concern. Feel free to stop by if you're ever in the neighborhood if you need first hand confirmation.

However, why does reality represent "bitterness"? It is my opinion, based upon experience, my experience, on both sides of the interview process. You don't feel someone who professes have "heard the economy is in the crapper", needs a bit of reality? That was a "Pounce"? He, you, and many more need more reality in their lives. Best he get as much as he can from any source.

Don't know what reference you have of a differing opinion. It must be a good one. Why then keep it secret and post in resonse to me instead of him with your positive representation of his post college prospects?

At least I made a positive suggestion of government work or teaching. It seemed practical since he's just realizing there is a bit of trouble in the economy of the US. It's the same mindset as the protected bureaucrats and academic theorists - he should fit right in.

But the think is you're right - why hit him with reality. Obviously he's not been getting any in College and he's ready to face the world - right?
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ORIGINAL Lynnxz
This is crap.
What do you think clinical and internships are for?
From personal experience on both sides of the internship model - they are for UN-learning the BS you were taught in College. Most even call them "real-world" experience.



popeye1250 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 2:09:16 PM)

We used to have something in this country called "O.J.T." on-the-job-training.
A business trained you to perform the jobs they needed done.



FullCircle -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 2:14:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jmv0405
So I'm graduating in about three months. I've applied for grad schools in creative writing (I like to write about Sadomasochistic relationships), but they're extremely difficult to get into.
So, I have to find some kind of plan in case I don't get in, and I have no ideas at all of what else I would like to do. I do imagine myself writing about scene life, maybe dungeon play, is there feasible work in that (for a guy; obviously there is for women).
If not, does anybody have any ideas. Or if you're panicking too feel free to hop in.
I've heard the economy is in the crapper.

 
Sounds like a plan and if it don't work out then that is the adventure of life. This is the moment just before you get stuck doing the same mundane job day in day out to put bread table. Take note a table needs bread I read this somewhere and have been putting bread on the table ever since, there is now a mountain of bread there on the table and I'm worried it may topple over and crush me to death. Shear weight of bread.[8|]



sirsholly -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 3:18:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL Lynnxz
This is crap.
What do you think clinical and internships are for?


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ORIGINAL:Mercnbeth
From personal experience on both sides of the internship model - they are for UN-learning the BS you were taught in College. Most even call them "real-world" experience.


Again...sorry you had such a negative experience.
The purpose of a clinical/internship is to take what you have absorbed in the classroom and put it to use in the job setting. It is not to un-learn what you have already been taught.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 3:46:57 PM)

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The purpose of a clinical/internship is to take what you have absorbed in the classroom and put it to use in the job setting. It is not to un-learn what you have already been taught.
No absolutes were represented. I speak from the business world. In that case, and specifically at the undergraduate level of the OP, most internships are 'un-learning' experiences. For instance, if you worked for me, you'd have to tell me why your are worth the salary you require, and understand that it comes from generating profits for the business and not producing a term paper of theoretical business practices.

However, I also am aware that some of what is learned in Medical school and nursing school is also 'un-learned' in the practical application of that knowledge. It also is a test of practical application of the skills allegedly learned and documented on the degree.

Your point regarding the value of an undergraduate degree would be valid if you came right from any of the hard science schools and did NOT need to intern.

Personally, I prefer the 'Guild' method of apprenticeship learning at the hand of a master. However, as far as I am aware, that is only used in the skilled labor sector and not in the word of academia. Pity...
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Again...sorry you had such a negative experience.
Try harder not to project.



Jmv0405 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:01:13 PM)

Yeah, that was irony.

I've known for a while that the economy is in the crapper. I don't live under a rock.

Although the lack of skills that are reasonable is somewhat of a problem.

I would really like to have majored in accounting right now.

On the other hand I am graduating from Newhouse, which is an excellent communications school, just not sure I want to go into that field.

Oh, and I'm very sorry about posting this in two places, I should have only posted here to begin with, I didn't read as thoroughly as I should have.



Jmv0405 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:07:23 PM)

MercnBeth you have a very anti-college stance, I see. I did actually know that the economy was in the tank, and you would do well to come to grips with some level of irony, although you could not hear it in my voice so it can obviously be forgiven. (Risk of text rather than speech). But next time, I think you would make a little less of an ass of yourself if you had assumed the gentler interpretation of my intelligence; instead of assuming I meant what I said literally.



DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:24:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

You're coming from the same source as those presently running the government; academic theory and no practical knowledge or skill to survive, let alone thrive, in the real world.



If you want real world practicality without academic theory, you go and attend a trade school.  Trade schools serve a different purpose from a college. You get academic theory in college for a reason.  Same goes for law, you get theory in law school, you learn how to apply that theory in the real world after.

Please dont bash college simply because some attendees screw up the application part or never adapt to the real world after.  Education and all that "theory" that was absorbed on behest of others is responsible for many of the good things you take for granted in yor current standard of living.

Trade schools teach you how to become a farrier and impress the local blacksmith. Colleges are what took us from horses to motorized transportation to air travel and high speed trains. Without college theory, we would still be a nation utilizing some top notch buggy whips.





Mercnbeth -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:34:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jmv0405

MercnBeth you have a very anti-college stance, I see. I did actually know that the economy was in the tank, and you would do well to come to grips with some level of irony, although you could not hear it in my voice so it can obviously be forgiven. (Risk of text rather than speech). But next time, I think you would make a little less of an ass of yourself if you had assumed the gentler interpretation of my intelligence; instead of assuming I meant what I said literally.

I don't know why you, or anyone feels I am 'anti-college'. I speak from the pragmatic perspective of graduating from a fine institution, working for major corporations, and now for myself. It is my opinion, and not a representation of any dogma you have to accept and/or adopt; unlike say what you have to do in college regarding a professor's stance on anything he/she teaches.

My children went to college, one graduated, one attending. They went because it was, and is, my belief that the experience would benefit them much more than anything learned. They were told exactly that up front, along with some 'insider' information such as ALWAYS agreeing with any philosophical position taken by a professor. It generated a lot of 'A's', some great stories, and an opinion after going through the experience, which is consistent with mine. Unfortunately there is no other source of learning 'hard' science but as they are finding out getting into the 'real world' most of what they learned had zero practical application.

Anti-college? No - everyone should have the experience of drinking to the point of toxicity, waking up in strange places, and puking on yourself and 'friends'. You're going to waste a lot of money at that age anyway and college provides the best opportunity to waste a LOT over a four year period. No, I'm not "anti-college". I am anti-hypocrisy, anti-ignorance, anti the isolated, unreal world of college that, as you document, sends you out from its comfortable surroundings in "fear". Graduating like that after your investment of time and money, I would think you should be more "anti-college" than me.

I do stand corrected of your lacking knowledge concerning the economic condition of the real world outside college. Although I'm not surprised they haven't prepared you mentally, and the one emotion you have expressed regarding your pending graduation is fear. Obviously you are a fine product of academia. Good for you!

PS - There are plenty of jobs for erotic script writing for the porn industry in CA. However, you may have to start as a intern 'fluffer' though. Did college prepare you for that? (That's me really being an "ass".)



Vendaval -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:44:52 PM)

Jmv0405,
 
Are you planning on staying in the general area listed on your profile or are you up for relocating?  Start searching for anything that might further your career whether that be grad school, internships, on the job training, OCS, working abroad teaching English, Peace Corps, America Corps, civil service work for the Federal gov. etc.  If you have specialized technical skills or know other languages those will be a good asset.  And as mentioned by a few posters already, always have a back up plan or 2.
 
Best wishes,
 
Vendaval



DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 4:49:54 PM)

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For instance, if you worked for me, you'd have to tell me why your are worth the salary you require, and understand that it comes from generating profits for the business and not producing a term paper of theoretical business practices.


But when you go out of business because you were so focused on profits you left the "theory element" behind and get eclipsed by competition or become outmoded by technology (GM Hummer vs Toyota Prius, or newspapers vs online news, for example), then that college grad who "unlearned" just for you is stuck with custom tailored skills that go nowhere else.

Putting someone on that type of path is not the purpose of college.  A trade school, yes, but not a college.

The purpose of college is to gain theory, and perhaps create the next generation of business model for your industry, a new model yet discovered and beyond your comprehension. Being confined to simply generating profits "for you" is hardly 'first and foremost'. But if you think thats what a college grad should do, you are fishing in the wrong labor pool.

GM is loaded with people who "unlearned" specifically to generate profits for Detroit by following an established business model. Why dont you ask them how well that strategy is playing out today.










Termyn8or -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 6:07:21 PM)

fr

Geez, I go to work for five measely hours and you're at it again. Even got the new guy doing it, almost.

Merc, you could've toned it down just a bit. I agree with your opinion, but think your method of expression was off. I see no reason for the harshness, which I will not call malice. I could outdo it easily.

(don't take this wrong, read it through)

"Kid, in this world you ain't worth a shit, you will be lucky if make make twenty grand a year at first, and it will be hell. You are going to have to bust ass on the worst assignments you can imagine, no matter where you go. All this for shit money.This is called paying your dues".

I wouldn't put it that way but every word of it is true. Well don't take ain't worth a shit literally. If I were to actually make such a statement it would follow that these times are what you make of them. With the hunger for knowledge and the desire to succeed this can be the best time of life. I know that from personal experience.

However my experience with academia is quite the opposite. I quit highschool and got a job because I started developing a skill some time before. I came close to making what my Parents made around age twenty. That was quite uncommon back then. Now I am a company Man. I have been in business already and have decided that nuts and bolts are more for me.

But back then, they made the mistake of giving me a commision. Thus here I am, even before I was eighteen, driving a luxury car (was bought for me but I fixed it up), I always had gas money.

But back then I was the kid. I was considered not worth a shit at first. But the paychecks were good. The boss used to call me Hugo, he splained that it meant "you go instead of me".

Now, the other day I yelled one word at my boss, he was across the room, and he was on the phone. He used the word on the phone and it saved him all kinds of grief. I have always had a decent vocabulary, I just couldn't spell in the past. (the word was condensation, details on request)

So perhaps if you have been "schooled" in creative writing, it can be applied in more places than one might think.

And that is my point. You may find those ways.

And Jmv, there is another thing about which Merc is right, admitting that you're scared here is one thing, but out there with the sharks don't ever let on. Ever. If you're broke, don't let them know that either. Keep the phone bill paid and enough for gas or busfare, whatever. YES I CAN be there Monday for example.

Also, if graduating in a few months, now is the time to look for a job.

T



thornhappy -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 7:14:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Your point regarding the value of an undergraduate degree would be valid if you came right from any of the hard science schools and did NOT need to intern.

Internships for engineers can make the difference between getting a job and not getting a job.  They are highly recommended to all students.



Owner59 -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 7:29:34 PM)

~fr~

Find out what you love to do and then find a way to make money doing it.

If you can pull that off,you`ll never "work" a day in your life.

My ex-gf is a writer.She writes the text on drug packaging and the inserts that come with the meds.

Boring? Yes.

But she makes over a 100 k,gets a month off plus and full bennies.

~~~~~~~~~~

You`ll be fine.Don`t let Mr Angry-pants get to you.He`s insulated from the real economy anyway.[:D]

Just show up,do your job and you`ll rise above at least half the work force.



Termyn8or -> RE: Graduating and Scared (2/18/2009 7:46:08 PM)

"My ex-gf is a writer.She writes the text on drug packaging and the inserts that come with the meds. "

That's exactly what I am talking about. I would have never thought of that. In that however the ability to interpret well etc., comes into play. Surely it takes more than just a bare degree. But it is a valid carreer direction.

Hey, some could consider it a dead end job, but at a hundred large a year, I would happy to pitter patter on the keyboard.

I know there is a bit more to it than that, but just what constitutes a bit more ? If within reason it doesn't sound bad. Especially compared to some jobs out there. Probably better than what I thought up.

T



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