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Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 4:29:06 AM   
StrangerThan


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Sometimes, it would help the preachers of tolerance if those they preached about, helped themselves. I don't consider myself intolerant, but this is just an eye roller, kind of a could you be just a friggin little more stereotypical?

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 4:42:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, spousal murder and violence is all too common.  But it's common the world over, in every race, religion and culture.  Are you suggesting there is some connection between this murderer's religion and his crime?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 To be clear: deploring this murder has nothing whatsoever to do with tolerance of religious minorities.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 4:48:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm suggesting that beheading is a stereotypical type of crime in this case. I'm suggesting that because well, it is.

I'm suggesting that the attempt to show Muslims in a more favorable light, as was his intent, isn't helped by committing a stereotypical act. What makes this story fodder for everyone who hates Muslims, isn't the death. It is the manner of that death.

If you don't understand that, then the blinders are in place.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:00:47 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090216/us_nm/us_bridgestv_murder

Sometimes, it would help the preachers of tolerance if those they preached about, helped themselves. I don't consider myself intolerant, but this is just an eye roller, kind of a could you be just a friggin little more stereotypical?

Does refusing to wear blinders make one intolerant? Question of the day..



I would think that it is the "wearing" of blinders that makes one tolerant when that might not be the best idea.  It creates a view that the prisoners of Gitmo are no worse than some kid encarerated for smoking pot, instead of being killers (Ya, I know they are not all killers, yet) or that the abu grahaib prison humiliation of prisoners by ill trained guard troops, was an institutionalized effort by the United States government. Today, Dr. Brezenski on "Morning Joe" chatted fondly about the Taliban being just a throw back to the 15th Century, a local kind of thing, and expressed concern that the USA under Bush was trying to change nice people like these to our way..or the highway. He did admit, to his credit I guess, that the taliban treatment of women was a dark think.   Gosh, I guess Jimmy Carters National Security Advisor would say the same thing about those lovely Khmer Rouge, the Bath Party, and on and on. Just a "local thing".
This is the kind of "tolerance" that WEARING blinkers encourages.  "Kumbya my Lord, Kumby ya..."  Lets all hold hands and sing of peace"

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:13:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll try once more.  And if I have blinders in place, then I consider myself to be in good company, since justice is blind.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        His work life - improving perceptions of Muslims - has no concrete connection with his crime either.  I doubt that  when he committed this act, he was trying to improve public views of murder in his community.  He clearly had other things in mind.                                                                                                                                                                                      I look at this case and see a wife murderer.  The other trappings supplied by the media are there to invite a certain type of response.  I find it odd that the way he killed her is considered so important and not simply the fact that he killed her.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Again, I look at this case and see a wife murderer.  Some look at it and see a Muslim wife murderer - the inference being that the religion and not the man is at fault.  Incidentally, honour killings are more cultural than religious in origin and are committed by believers in diverse religions, even those that adhere to ahimsa.  

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:17:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess the same people who see him as a Muslim first and a murderer second also believe that all Catholics rape little boys as part of their religion.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:22:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, IK, you may be right.  I don't want to sound lofty about it but I still get really surprised when I see how people's buttons get pushed by the media, how they get trained to think in certain ways.  It's chilling, when you see where it can all lead.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:28:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like he was the wrong person to show Muslims in a better light. Let's hope a non-murderer fills his shoes. 

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		If that's possible.  They're all murderers, aren't they?   Now, if only he'd shot her in the face like you're supposed to.   

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 5:46:08 AM   
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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 6:06:36 AM   
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Darn it... isn't it just frustrating that people don't think and behave the way you'd like them to?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Is this in response to me?  If so, how so?

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 7:34:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a horrible crime committed by a man who had physically abused his wife in the past. Yes most people will read this and say "see they are all alike" but some will read it and say "He had problems". What it boils down to is domestic violence is a terrible thing and unfortunately its a growing problem. As the economy worsens there will be more cases of it. Those protective orders can only do so much she really needed to go into hiding with their children. Perhaps she just did not know how violent he could get.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 7:51:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		What if someone started a thread titled "Carpet Bombing And Tolerance" or "Torture And Tolerance" or "Invasion And Tolerance" in reference to Christians?

Would it be just as ridiculous?

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 8:06:17 AM   
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May be the decapitation capital of the world.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 8:53:39 AM   
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What if someone started a thread titled "Carpet Bombing And Tolerance" or "Torture And Tolerance" or "Invasion And Tolerance" in reference to Christians?

Would it be just as ridiculous?


That depend on whether they are left wing christians or right wing christians.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 9:13:33 AM   
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I find it odd that the way he killed her is considered so important and not simply the fact that he killed her.                                                                                                  



You're making my point for me. Beheading is seen as a barbaric form of killing. And yes, there is a difference between pulling a trigger and cutting someone's head off. What is it? It's cleaner, more removed from the actual act. You don't have to get down in the grisly details of someone screaming, fighting, kicking, dying under your hand while blood gushes across your skin and splatters across your face. You pull a trigger. The result may be the same though I would not hesitate to state that removing someone's head has a much greater chance of incurring death than pulling a trigger.

But, I'm sure someone out there will debate that point.

Muslims have to deal with enough prejudice already. The world has seen or at least been given links to actual beheadings performed by extremists in the past few years that give those who hate them in the first place, only more reason to hate them. It, for right or wrong, is seen by many as a type of death promoted by the faith. Had he shot her, strangled her, stabbed her, or beat her to death, the story would have still probably made the news. What it would not have carried was reinforcement of the stereotype.

Dance around this all you want with whatever pacifying language you want to use. He basically destroyed his own work at showing Muslims in a more positive light in the same way someone who preached diversity would do if he were caught screaming racial slurs while drunk. What will be remembered by those who hate Muslims to begin with is not the work, but the manner in which he chose to end her life, in the BARBARIC fashion.

Like I said, sometimes, it would help the preachers of tolerance if those they preached about, helped themselves.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 9:25:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not a "preacher of tolerance".
And when it comes to "religions" I have none.
"Religions" are all about trying to *control* people.

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RE: Tolerance and beheading - 2/17/2009 9:59:58 AM   
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Muslims have to deal with enough prejudice already. The world has seen or at least been given links to actual beheadings performed by extremists in the past few years that give those who hate them in the first place, only more reason to hate them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Yeah, I can understand him having to kill the bitch, but couldn't he at least do it in a decent American manner?  I mean, what will the neighbours say?

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