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chainedgirl -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/14/2009 10:21:47 PM)

The problem is their inexperience.  You are telling them all the things they've missed and got into this scene for.  Along with that, they have their own personal fantasy of what a 'good Dom' is.  You not meeting their expectation is their problem not yours.  Three suggestions I've read here I totally agree with. 1. Give them a list of books or websites to go away and read. 2. Chat less and meet more quickly.  It prevents the chance of them building up an image in their mind which you will never be able to live up to. 3. Play with older subs.  Try to find a sub in her 30s with genuine experience and meet up for some casual fun.  It can be all light and fluffy.  No need for anyone to get too serious.  Besides, an older more experienced sub may just have had experience in an area you would like to explore.  There's no shame in being shown this by a submissive.  Experience is experience.




LaTigresse -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 4:48:34 AM)

Or, when chatting you could say something like "Could you excuse me for a minute please? I just farted and I need to let the room air out for a bit."

If that doesn't bring them back to reality, nothing will.[:D]




BigSi2009 -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 4:57:47 AM)

I must admit to facing a similar problem.  I can come across very strict and firm online.  Now I have had experience in rt but not enough to really feel confident that I will be the same person in every rl situation.  Thing is I'm quite keen not to spend ages chatting online but its often the case, that subs don't want to meet until they've got to know you online first - and if you keep trying to arrange to meet, they can think you are too pushy.




ThundersCry -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 6:10:31 AM)

The longer you wait to meet...
 
The bigger the fantasy becomes...
 
But...
 
When your all that and a bag of chips...`ey...the skies appears to be...the limit...




OsideGirl -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 6:22:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I really walked away this morning to ponder this post before I responded and 4 hours later, it still irritates Me:

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The issue is that I actually look too "awesome" online for my own good.  yeah it sounds arrogant..


Yep, that's probably one of the most arrogant things I've heard lately---better be sure you have two bathrooms so you don't have to share the mirror.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that saw that. My thought was...."Could you move to left? Your ego is blocking the sun."

Maybe he could tell the rest of us why we're submissive, since he's so damned good at it.




feydeplume -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 6:28:00 AM)

Hey he gives good eye candy and talks a good fantasy. Kudos for him. I still suggest getting more experience under his oh so leather belt with some experienced subs or slaves so that he can live up to his own PR.

OP: if you are good a mind fucks, work with it. it is a skill and not everyone out there can do it well. Set up the first meeting with a mind-fuck in place so that she is in a comfort zone, THEN bring it down to reality, warts and all. Give her the fantasy and reality. It doesnt have to be an either or.




Amaros -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/15/2009 2:59:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

I really walked away this morning to ponder this post before I responded and 4 hours later, it still irritates Me:

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The issue is that I actually look too "awesome" online for my own good.  yeah it sounds arrogant..


Yep, that's probably one of the most arrogant things I've heard lately---better be sure you have two bathrooms so you don't have to share the mirror.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that saw that. My thought was...."Could you move to left? Your ego is blocking the sun."

Maybe he could tell the rest of us why we're submissive, since he's so damned good at it.
I can see his point, it's easier to remain detached online, to feed somebody what they want to hear - it's harder when they meet you and you finally fix them with your steely gaze, especially if your fly is open.

I mean please, women with unrealistic expectations? Unheard of. There is a difference between a "cool" medium, like chat, that requires you fill in the gaps with your imagination, and a "Hotter" medium like cyber, and real life is the hottest medium of all - if you go into it with very specific fantasies, following a script that only you are privy to, disappointment is practically guaranteed, you have to leave the cozy, cotton comfort of fantasy, and deal with physical reality - some people love that, others freak out - too stark for some, not stark enough for others, maybe.

Personally, it's phenomena that this generation is in the position of having to pioneer, there really are no precedents to this level of connectivity. The way I grew up, and most of us oldies, is that when you were stuck somewhere around people, there were only two choices: talk to them or ignore them, the only guy in the world with a video phone was Dick Tracy, and you rarely interacted with anybody on such an abstract level - pen pals, maybe your Grandmother.

Nowadays, you can just flip open the old cell and call your friends - I have literally seen entire tables of people at bars, out together, but all engaged in private conversations on their cell phones - it strikes me as very odd, I have to say, sort of like being together just so you can avoid each other - like if the person you're out with isn't interesting enough, you just call somebody more interesting - why the fuck did you go out at all? There is just no way something like this cannot end up having an effect on peoples interpersonal social skills and social expectations.

In real, analog life, that some level of give and take communication is necessary, is the the only thing you should take for granted; and that usually means that there are times when you're gonna have to drop the script and improvise. The whole charm of it is that it isn't all seamless and predictable - real experience isn't like TV, it isn't canned or perfect, it's live and sometimes it get's messy and complicated, that's what makes it interesting - deal with it.




ranja -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/16/2009 12:37:03 PM)

hahaha, sorry you're having difficulties but it is funny man
If you want to meet for real, then do NOT play cyber games, in vt you can alsways be superman, but keep it there, cyber is different to real don't cha know??




powerplaying -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/17/2009 1:42:09 AM)

Hi there!

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Then of course I will answer that she has X kink probably because of past experience Y and that she's probably having Z fantasies too.


Sounds like you are influenced by psychoanalysis. The large influence of psychoanalysis make many people think, they have to find reasons for feelings and kinks in events of the past. But knowing cause-effect-relations is only useful for recreating or preventing effects, so it's no help with people. The interesting thing with kink X is what you do about it in the future. How do you relate to other people, how do you build it into your life? People are weird if they can't communicate with others, not because of what they dream alone.

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Then it comes up in various ways, but one way or another there is a disappointment if I meet the said person a disappointment is bound to come up.  Usually in the form of me not acting exactly in the way she idealized, but that being to the point where I don't act in the way she imagined I would behave but she never mentionned anything about it.


Sounds strange. Are you the one to submit to them? Or are they the ones who ought to do as you wish no matter if it fulfills their fantasy or not.





Vendaval -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/17/2009 1:52:50 AM)

This has been my experience as well with inexperienced and/or younger people in general.  Give them the wear and tear that comes from a few failed relationships, vanilla or kink, and by their mid-30's they will have learned to not be so idealistic. 




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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
A large number of women in that age range have, what I call, the romance novel syndrome. They like, they WANT, to create an ideal in their mind. All too often they create unrealistic expectations of what a partner should be. The internet is just a current day romance novel to them.

Unfortunately, many of these young women will go from one relationship to another, constantly disappointed in the reality, and blame the other person. I don't think the medium is as much to blame as their fantasy of what a relationship and partner, should be.




colouredin -> RE: I need to cut on online conversations (2/17/2009 2:45:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LordDarkPleasure
The issue is that I actually look too "awesome" online for my own good.  yeah it sounds arrogant, but keep reading and you'll understand.


Sorry read the whole thing and still think you are fairly arrogant

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I'm a 27 years old Dom, which means usually people interested in talking to me are 18-26 years old sub women.  This generally means they're often quite new to the  BDSM scene. 


Yeah and you being 27 means that you are well more sophisticated than someone who is 26. Maybe get that idea out of your head and then you will start conversing with them as human beings rather than poor frail vulnerable women (princess in a tower fetish?)

If you are able to know what you want at your age dont assume that others dont. I have been known to say 'ohh are you in my head' but its all games really.

Rather than simply telling them what they want ask what they want let them discover themselves.

Oh and get offline




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