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dcnovice -> Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:02:32 PM)

I had an infected tooth yanked this fall, and the question arises of how to replace it. The oral surgeon suggests an implant, while my dentist advises a traditional bridge. I'm having a devil of a time deciding between them.

So . . .

I'd be really grateful to hear from folks who've had either one. What did you have done, and have you been happy with it?

Thanks,

DC




mc1234 -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:08:51 PM)

A question - why does the regular dentist advise a bridge?  Do you have some kind of bone loss or other structural issue which may make an implant a riskier procedure?




dcnovice -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:10:21 PM)

Good question. I'll have to ask him about that.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:12:09 PM)

I'm getting an implant this year, and I would suggest that over a bridge any day. Several reasons - first of all, look at it from a simple engineering point of view. What the bridge does is transfer the load that was intended for 3 teeth onto 2 teeth. Over the years, that's going to stress those teeth more, and increase the possibility that you'll have problems with those, too. Second, from what my dentist explained to me, it's very difficult sometimes to floss and maintain proper dental hygiene in the area immediately surrounding the bridge. which, again, increases the chances of future problems with the teeth immediately adjacent to the lost tooth. With an implant, you don't have that problem.

Now, the implant is a lot more trouble. It hurts. And it takes (if i recall correctly) 9 months or more from the beginning of the process until you have a usable tooth in that gap. So in the short term, it's a pain in the ass, but longterm it's definitely the better option IMO.

I'm curious, though - why does your dentist recommend the bridge over the implant?




dcnovice -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:15:16 PM)

quote:

why does your dentist recommend the bridge over the implant?


He didn't really say why, just that it was his recommendation based on many years of experience. I see him Monday morning and will talk about it more. Leaning toward the implant at the moment.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:18:25 PM)

Fast Reply:

We have an advice column in the local paper here.  People write in, and different medical professionals will answer them.  Last week someone asked the same question you're asking.  A local oral surgeon said that bridges would end up costing your more money.  Your gums will recede around an absent tooth, and you have to get the bridge (or dentures) refitted every so often.  A dental implant is as close as you can get to the real thing.  I haven't had to worry about it so far (knock on wood), but I know people that have bridges or dentures.  All of them hate them. 




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:18:40 PM)

Well, he certainly knows more about the subject than i do, so what he tells you on Monday may may make me look like a complete and utter fool.

But on the other hand, I make it a point never to trust someone who's chosen to spend their entire working lives drilling holes in people's teeth and yanking teeth out of people's heads with a pair of pliers. In my heart I'm just convinced there's got to be something intrinsically wrong with them.




mc1234 -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:19:32 PM)

I have a very complicated dental history, unfortunately!  If all things were positive to go the implant route, I'd definintely do that.  I don't have that option, as I have some bone loss and my bones are too close to my sinuses in a few places to make it workable.  And my budget doesn't support three implants at this time anyway ... 

But if I had the option, I'd do the implants - once these questions were answered to my satisfaction - what happens to the implant over time?  Will it have to be replaced eventually?  Is there a risk of infection in the implant area? 

Just some food for thought ... good luck!




servantheart -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (1/31/2009 11:39:44 PM)

I don't have implants, bridges or dentures, but I've known a few people who have.  Based on my own observations and what they've told me about their experiences, I'd personally choose the implants.  Your dentist or surgeon have probably given You imformation on each option, but perhaps the following link will provide additional insight or information.  Best of luck whatever Your decision.
 
http://www.aaoms.org/dental_implants.php
 
 




MzMinx -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/1/2009 12:46:00 AM)

Hello DCnovice

I  am currently going through a significant amount of  dental implants and bone grafting myself, after haveing  been through the decission process that you are faced with now.

I am useing  several specilists. A periodontist for the actual implants and care, a mesofacial (sp?) surgeon for the bone grafting  and a dentist who specilises in capping for the finished teeth.  On my own journey through this I did find that reqular dentists  (like most people  with specific training ) tend to recommend the things they personaly can do.  I would be asking why they do not like implants, is it because they have little control over  and indeed less profit from them, or do they have a genuine concern for your specific circumstances?

The  first and easiest of my   own metal post/implants  was done about 2 weeks ago. This was the only implant that did not need a graft as the original tooth was only removed about 3 mths ago and was not  near my sinises. It was a root canel filled tooth and it had caused  trouble for the whole 5 years after the root canal was done. I wish now I had asked for an implant instead at the time, but like many, I took the sugestion of the dentist.

The  actual post/implant insertion was not really  painful. My perodontist is extremely gentle and except for the annoyance of stiches for a week, it has all been fine. I took some light pain killers  first thing in the morning the day after and now it  feels completly healed, although I know the bone will take a little while to fully recover and settle.

I am also about to embark on cranial facial surgery to have both my sinises 'lifted' as they call it ( the use of sterilised powdered cow bone fragments to encourage my own bone growth within the sinus area} and also 2 bone grafts of my own bone on my lower jaw.

So all up it will be 4 areas of graft to support another 5 implants in areas where teeth where removed when I was about 8. The grafts are all performed at once, as a day surgery, although it will be done in a  hospital just in case their are any complications and  will take about a week for the swelling to go down.  Each type of  graft takes a different amount of time to heal and settle, the sinus area will be about 8 to 10 mths before implants, the lower jaw about 3 mths and the implants have to be done as close to those times as possable, determined by your own personal healing,  in order to maximise the bone density and ensure the best success. There is about a 5 % chance per graft, reguardless of the type, for rejection or not enough redenisfication and thta would mean I might haveing it redone.

For me, although the cost is higher at the begining, and all surgery carries risks, it is worth it compared to dentures  or partial bridges.  Everything I have read and researched shows unless their is something specific to you, implants seem to give the best result over the long term and in general are not more expensive over your  whole life.

Haveing the implants for myself will not only mean I have useful back teeth for the practicle things *laughs*  but help ensure I get to keep the rest of my natural teeth and  my smile.

Good luck with your choice, I hope everything works out for you

Mz Minx




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/1/2009 1:57:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda
I'm curious, though - why does your dentist recommend the bridge over the implant?


He's a dull, unimaginative tech-robot who only does what he was taught in tooth-repair school? Cash infusion for a coke habit?

Who knows?

The heatherling linked to an article from MSNBC or CNN or whatever; the actual escapes me now (could look it up; it's on the "Ow! What a Pain!" group), where some quack is advocating against the use of opioids for chronic pain, especially long-term.
Turns out the fuck is an orthopedic surgeon. His idea of treating people is cutting them open and inserting things, or cutting away something. It's invasive, it exposes the CLIENT (I fucking hate the word "patient") to unnecessary risks, including iatrogenic death, it's irreversible, and surgery often has to be performed multiple times to try and correct what the previous quack fucked up.

In stark contrast, I have been on opioids (oxycodone) for nearly 10 years. I haven't had to go through expensive, time-consuming, and painful physical therapy to try and recover from surgery. I haven't exposed myself to hospital-acquired Methicillin-Resistant Staph Aureus (or any other resistant bacterium). I haven't risked a botched surgery (happens frequently). I haven't risked getting the wrong meds from an alcoholic hung-over nurse. And I haven't put money into an Orthopod's pocket.  Generic Percocet used to cost me $15 a month. I used to have a low deductible, so the first prescription of the year would be about $100. Add another $165 to that.
Pain meds: $265/year.
3 or 4 office visits: $60-$80. Figure $80 for 4.
----------------------------------------------
Annual total: $345 per year.
Nine years of this is $3105.

I switched to a pain clinic December 2007. Switched to oxycontin, too. I had an MRI ($150 co-pay), and 3 injections into my spine ($160 copay each). Then my meds ($1000 med deductible in January 2008) for pain were about $300 for two months; $30/month thereafter. 12 monthly doc visits @$40 per.
Also got a TENS unit, and a back brace. About $500 out of pocket.
Total for 2008 is $2350 for the year.

Grand total is $5455 plus misc. (parking, etc.); let's be liberal and round up to 6 grand.

I don't know how much a knee replacement is. My detached retina in 2006 cost over $9000 to get fixed (for about 30 minutes in surgery and another 3 hours in recovery). I figure a knee is more that. My out of pocket was around $4500.

Tell me what is more cost-effective.

That piece of shit quack rejects opioids because he doesn't make any fucking money from opioid therapy.

OK, that's part of the story.

I got a new PCP back around May of 2007. She continued to write for pain meds up until around August of 2007. Then she got all weirded out, and wanted better documentation for my pain (previous doc knew all about my orthopod visits, and PT, etc., but they weren't documented). SO I went for X-rays of my back, foot, and knee. I'd used this orthopod back around early Sept., 2001. He recommended knee replacement then (quelle surprise, oui?). This time he cheerfully informed me that I was addicted to pain meds, and recommended wearing orthotics, and PT for my back. Nothing about the knee. So then I went to the Wellstar-approved pain clinic. I spent over 30 minutes in the waiting room filling out forms, the majority of which were about money, not my ailments.
Nurse took me to a room, took my vitals, and left. Quack came in, did a couple cursory palpates and percussions, declared I had "chronic pain syndrome" (bullshit Dx, means they're clueless) and prescribes BIOFEEDBACK. (found out later he and biofeedquack went to med school together) Finally went to a pain clinic where they did an MRI and actually found out what was going on.

Now, they aren't all that cheap (could be cheaper if it weren't for the neocons' War on People who Use Drugs, but that's another rant), but they aren't wanting to cut me up or pass me on to some buddy who does experimental hocus-pocus BS.

Point is, specialists sell their specialty, AND/OR whatever makes them the most money (the number of unnecessary back, knee, hip, etc. surgeries each year in the US is staggering).

DO your research and don't let those assholes sell you on what they specialize in.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/1/2009 7:17:47 AM)

I've had dentures for several years now, and have kicked myself more times than I care to count that I didn't go with an implant when I first had it done - especially for the lower.  The upper doesn't give me much trouble, but lowers - OMG get the friggin posts put in as soon as the teeth are yanked and go with an implant.  More expensive in up front cost, a Lot less expensive over the long haul, and sooooooooooo much less hassle and stress that it's unbelievable.  Fortunately for me, even though it's been a while since the teeth themselves were yanked and I've had some receeding in the gum tissue (requiring a new top plate a couple of years ago when the bottom plate was originally done) - I haven't had any sort of significant bone loss, so implants are still an option for me without bone grafts.  I doubt I'll ever go through the process for my upper, but I've got it planned for later this year for my lower.




corysub -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/1/2009 8:28:48 AM)

I've had two implants and they are great.  They are expensive but if your gums are suitable for implants I think that is the way to go.  A permanent bridge these days is also not horrible...but
would be second choice for me..




Kirata -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/1/2009 12:16:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

The oral surgeon suggests an implant, while my dentist advises a traditional bridge. I'm having a devil of a time deciding between them.

Been there, both ways. My advice, go for the implant. See following....
 
Implants versus Bridges
 
K.
 
 




dcnovice -> RE: Dental Adventures: Bridge vs. Implant (2/5/2009 5:18:38 PM)

I did talk with the dentist about the advantages of a bridge, and they seem to be twofold: (a) no surgery is required, and (b) a bridge is quite a bit cheaper.

Still, I decided to go the implant route. Made my appointment for the 20th, so please wish me luck!

Many thanks to everyone for the info. It was really helpful!




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