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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 10:04:32 AM   
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WELL.seems youve gotten good advice about the cheese..

SOOO.. let me step in.. and try teaching You how to do the egg seperation thing..

They sell special spoons to do this.. which is sorta slotted and has only room in it..for the egg yolk.. so rest spills out and over..

BUT...
here is an easy way to do it..without needing to waste money on that special spoon.

Take egg into a hand..and gently tap it against counter..to crack the shell down the MIDDLE..
place thumb against the crack..and gently seperate the egg into two halves..

spilling egg yolk into first one half..while dumping out egg whites into Your bowl..

and then carefully place empty egg shell half close to the half that still holds the yolk..and tilt slowly.. allowing the egg yolk to slip into the empty half..

dump the rest of the egg whites into the bowl.. until that half is now empty too.

repeat over and over..transfering yolk to empty half of shell till all the whites have slipped into bowl..

save or disgard the egg yolk as needed.



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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 10:10:54 AM   
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Or as Julia Child use to say, "use the egg seperater at the end of your arm.  Pour the egg into your hand and the whites will drip out leaving the yolk"

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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 10:22:18 AM   
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but ... just in CASE You wanna buy a spoon.. EBAY is selling lots of different styles of them...

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZeggQ20separatorQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZQQ_sopZ12

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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 10:59:17 AM   
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they also come with many (most?) complete measuring  sets, even cheap ones (like $2 for a full set from 1/4th tsp to 1tbsp)

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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 11:50:35 AM   
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Yep, I'm one of those hands-on people.  The best egg separator in the world is your own hand.


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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 11:57:00 AM   
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quote:

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they also come with many (most?) complete measuring  sets, even cheap ones (like $2 for a full set from 1/4th tsp to 1tbsp)


i have never seen any egg seperator spoon in any measuring set that i have ever bought.

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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 1:05:37 PM   
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Another vote for the roux. Make yourself a nice, creamy bechamel and wisk in the grated cheese.
And for all that is holy, do not forget the nutmeg.



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RE: Meltong cheese - 1/23/2009 1:11:00 PM   
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I've bought 5 sets in the past two years from $2 to $16...

each of them has had one (though of varying qualities).

P.s. when did the topic change to "Meltong cheese" o.O What the hell is Meltong?

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RE: Melting cheese - 1/23/2009 8:56:37 PM   
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You could bring the food to the cheese... ala Fondue:

http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/004308cheese_fondue.php

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RE: Melting cheese - 1/23/2009 9:43:04 PM   
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Yes, with all the ado about world events, politics, the economy, ethical and moral issues, I thought I would bring up something important.

Cheese food has always tasted like wax or something to me, but more recently I have gone into a slightly better class of cheese. Can't stand Velveeta, even though not listed as cheese food it reminds me of those individually wrapped slices I used to hate. It was easy to make a cheese sauce though, just put a little water in the pan and mix-n-melt. Add milk, butter, whatever and pour it over whatever you want.

Now to me the $8-12/lb. is the cheap stuff. The flavor is much better of course but I am having a bit of a hard time melting it. It acts sort of like Swiss cheee, which I have never been able to melt satisfactorily. I gave up on using it for melting, at least into any kind of sauce.

It all seems to clump up, it will not mix well, and it does need some water to thin it just a bit. Or something else ?

The cheese is different, but I also use less of it because of an avoidance of carbs, mac-n-cheese, potatoes Au Gratin and things of that nature are very rare for me. Hovever there are a few dishes I would like to have a nice creamy cheese sauce for. For example brocolli, and of course the stuffed chicken breast with cheese and brocolli. Certain mexican type dishes also are a hit, one of which my sister and I sort of re-invented.

Whatever methodology or ingredients must be healthy though, if I am not going to cook healthy I'll eat out or order out. I don't cook as much as I'd like to, perhaps because of later hours at work. When I do cook though, I would like for things to come out right.

So to melt sharp (possibly "hard" type) cheddar, colby, not to mention Swiss, there must be something I'm missing. It used to work with the "waxy kid's stuff" but I simply don't like that anymore.

Also while I want to thin the viscoity of the cheese to make sauce, I do not want to dilute the flavor. That's why I don't think alot of milk is a good idea, if fact in the old days (with the cheap stuff) I found that milk did more to thin the flavor than the viscosity. I want as full flavor as I can get, while it does not become rock hard by the time it hits the table, or need to be piping hot and cause burns.

I also would like to avoid the use of thickening agents like flour. I would prefer cheese sauce over sauce with cheese in it.

Thanks for any help on this matter. People around me consider me a pretty good cook, but I do fall down on a couple of things. I don't even want to think about seperating egg yolks. I swear (fuck shit piss damn) I can't get three unbroken yolks in a row unless I am making an omelet. Let's just let that subject ride for now......... cheese first please.

T


Note to self, never and I repeat never read any post by Termyn8or at night while dieting.

And never read through the replies, I may hurt innocent civilians at this point should I smell a hint of meat roasting in the air.

Anywhoo... grrooowwwllll... ignore that please.

I always build the base/roux before hand as others have mentioned. But I have  also found to watch your heat, always start off as low as possible and build up. Having some cheeses melt to quickly can be just as big of a nightmare as not having them melt at all.

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/2/2009 4:07:19 PM   
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Well I finally gave it a try and it seems to have worked. Couldn't remember the last time I had pasta so I guess it was time. But what kind of pasta ? I got some frozen w/really good sauce and balls and all that, but remembering the HH thread I decided to go in that direction.

I fried up some sausage and let the grease in the pan, added butter, water, evaporated milk and seasalt and pepper and then flour, brought it to a boil an let it do what it does, emulsify ? I then slowly added finely grated colby and sharp cheddar. I wisked it with a fork, although I do have a wisker, it is hard to clean. I then threw the sausage back in and then mixed the mess up with some pasta.

I see how it is now, once the mixture is ready to accept the cheese, that is the time to put it in. I had been starting with just the cheese and water, which works fine for cheap cheese. Just not so well for the slightly better stuff. It came out great. I have a small portion left and I put it in my freezer, I wonder if I have the benevolence to give it to my sinister, oops sister. She would probably love it as she is the one who made mac-n-cheese with ham etc. in it.

Thanks all, next I might tackle the Swiss. I didn't try the nutmeg though, of the sixty odd varieties of spices on the rack, I don't think there is any nutmeg. I will try it. It may be another of those unsuspected good things like caraway seeds in saurkaut. Of course I want to try it also because it sounds off the wall, but that is sort of already established.

Now if I could do this with parmesian or romano, or even aciago............

Really if you are good enough to be able to use romano cheese in a sauce I would love to hear just how that's done. Anytime I've tried it comes out wax and grease basically.

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/2/2009 5:12:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


Really if you are good enough to be able to use romano cheese in a sauce I would love to hear just how that's done. Anytime I've tried it comes out wax and grease basically.

T


Start with a roux or bechemel, personally I would use the bechemel because it has a milk base, use WHOLE milk, you need the higher fat % to assist the cheese. 

Make the Bechemel (you can make less by adjust the ingred.) and add the cheese last, I have use Romano and Parmasan and they both work well with a Bechemel.  Bechemel is 1 of the 5 basic French Sauces, it works very well with cheeses

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/2/2009 5:25:10 PM   
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Here is a recipe for parmesan or romano cheese sauce. I haven't personally tried it, but it looks easy enough.


Ready in: < 30 minutes
Difficulty:   2 (1=easiest :: hardest=5)
Serves/Makes:   1.25 cups

 
Ingredients:
2 tablespoons butter
2 tablespoons flour
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 dash pepper
1 cup milk
1/4 cup grated Parmesan or Romano cheese
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Directions:

In a small saucepan melt butter. Stir in flour, salt and pepper. Add milk.

Cook and stir over medium heat until thickened and bubbly. Cook and stir 1 to 2 minutes more. Stir in cheese.

Serve with vegetables, beef, sausage, poultry, pork or burgers.
This recipe from CDKitchen for Parmesan or Romano Sauce serves/makes 1.25 cups

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/2/2009 8:00:23 PM   
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You can also try to make a simple "white sauce" using a double boiler - similar to the roux but it doesn't get brown.   I usually "eyeball" it but mix COLD milk (or cream if you don't mind the added calories and you want a richer sauce) and stir in flour until the flour is mixed in.  The milk must be cold to start or you will have lumps.  More flour, thicker sauce.  I would use a couple of tablespoons of flour to a cup of milk.  Add some butter, some pepper (usually no salt needed since cheese has plenty).  Put this on a double boiler until the butter/milk/flour mixture is melted together.  Grate in the cheese of your choice.  Cheese will melt into the mixture and you have a sauce.  Add whatever seasonings you desire. 

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/6/2009 5:14:50 PM   
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Now, I know this ain't about cheese, term, but it is about food, and there's cheese in the food.
http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2007/01/americas-20-worst-foods.html
No wonder why Americans are the fattest people on the planet.
Mein Gott! 2900 calories for Outback's cheese fries. Damn.

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RE: Melting cheese - 2/6/2009 8:20:20 PM   
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I think there is still worse out there.

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