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Amaros -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/15/2009 7:42:59 PM)

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LeVay discovered that within the hypothalamus, the third interstitial notch of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH3) was two to three times smaller in homosexual men then in heterosexual men.  The women examined also exhibited this phenomenon.  LeVay concluded the "homosexual and heterosexual men differ in the central neuronal mechanisms that control sexual behavior", and like Allen and Swaab, agreed that this difference in anatomy was no product of upbringing or environment, but rather prenatal cerebral development and structural differentiation [2].


Hard science.




beargonewild -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/15/2009 8:25:40 PM)

Yes that is an interesting article. It does give scientific validity to a possible link of brain structure and homosexuality, though this is a topic of discussion for it's own separate thread. 




Amaros -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/15/2009 8:38:46 PM)

True, in fact I haven't the faintest idea what MTF means...




beargonewild -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/15/2009 8:40:07 PM)

MTF is an acronym for Male to Female
FTM means Female to Male
TS means Transexual
TG means Transgendered

Quite often you will also see it written M2F or F2M




Amaros -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/16/2009 6:22:32 AM)

Much obliged.




enslavedrose -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/30/2009 5:13:36 PM)

If men would quit messaging the lesbian Dommes, maybe more of them would be open to the idea of  MTF or M2F TS




MidMichCowboy -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/30/2009 6:58:53 PM)

OK .... there are a lot of men who think they are so damn good ... they can change a person's sexual orientation. Other than shooting them, not much you can do but ignore them.

As for MTF or FTM, I accept a person however they want to live their life. I've seen too many things in this world to think I know the answer or make a judgment. I've always found they were what they wanted to be. The traits I saw ... made them what they were.

I had a Friend who underwent the surgery. When she first started living and dressing as herself in public, many shunned her. She was the same wonderful person. She babysat my son (special needs). She was one of very few I would trust him with. He adored her. I got to give her her first public dance (my wife hated dancing). We danced all night.
We live in a strange world. I've seen babies born co-joined and many other things. My beautiful son was born with a mind that is wired differently (autism). So who am I to say they are not what they chose to be. For all the hell they get, I'm sure they wouldn't do it for a lark. Genetics is but one marker. There is so much more to what makes up a human. Even genetics is far from understood.

My advice. Take people as they are and present themselves. Life is too short to be so judgmental and rigid.




RiotDoll -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/30/2009 7:52:32 PM)

My girlfriend identifies as female, she is female. I treat her as female. She just happens to have a "permanent" strap on.




enslavedrose -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/30/2009 8:49:35 PM)

unfortunately some don't see it that way.  btw, rose seems to be 100% passable most of the time.




Madame4a -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/31/2009 7:30:02 AM)

well.. don't make them all stop.. there is a lesbian out there looking for a male...


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ORIGINAL: enslavedrose

If men would quit messaging the lesbian Dommes, maybe more of them would be open to the idea of  MTF or M2F TS




CelticPrince -> RE: MTF TS and gender roles (1/31/2009 8:31:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ALAstella

Yesterday afternoon around 3.30pm I finished a meeting here in London and went to catch the bus home. At the bus stop there were about thirty or so teenage schoolchildren, mainly of colour, and most of them were setting upon one of the girls among them who managed to escape after having her face punched by the others to passers-by. I couldn't intervene, none of the other adults at the bus stop did, and it was a passing van driver who escorted her to passers by on the other side who took her into the shopping centre.

I boarded a bus with about a dozen of these kids. The comments started, 'Is that a man or a woman?'.. 'It's a man', 'It's a transsexual', and so on and for the twenty minutes or so alone I was subjected to comments, derision, laughter and verbal abuse. Nobody else on the bus intervened, nor did the driver.

Is this wrong? Maybe it is, but I did nothing. I just sat there and ignored them.

The thing is, I know who I am, so does my partner, my friends, my doctors, the actors in my theatre, my neighbours, the remainder of my family, the people I work with and so on.

I am a transgendered female, and I know that people fall broadly into three categories. There are people who will accept you as female because that is the way you present yourself, there are others who will accept you as female only after your operation, and there are people who will never accept you as female.

Yes it is wrong, but you try arguing that with someone who is convinced that anyone with a penis is male, or worse still, someone who believes it is wrong because that is what they believe based on something written in the Bible.

If you have come across someone who cannot accept that going through gender reassignment treatment and the transition means that you are already female, then you're going to waste a lot of time trying to convince them of the fact.

I've learned through bitter experience that you don't win such arguments, and besides, why bother justifying who you are to someone who isn't going to accept you anyway? I mean, it's not a given that everybody is going to accept you as a person, even if you aren't transgendered, so why expect it if you are transgendered?

It's also worth bearing in mind that on sites such as CM you are also dealing with people's preferences, which places another hurdle.

Therefore my advice is to not argue with or bother about the people who don't accept you, but instead look for and devote your time and your life to the people who will accept you. This keeps life simple.




ALAstella,

Claps,

Great post!

CP




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