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Mercnbeth -> Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 8:01:46 AM)
Here's an interesting link. In an effort to discuss the top ideas of the electorate there is a serious site dedicated letting the new administration know what is on the mind and important to them. It provides some of the specifics behind how they define 'Change', and gives a little insight to what they had in mind when they cast their vote. The Change.Org site (Link: http://www.change.org/ideas?order=top#listSection ) is funded by a number of 'Non-profit' partners. Its a good way to get a feel for the 'pulse' of the electorate. The Top 10 Ideas so far: Legalize the Medicinal and Recreational Use of Marijuana (A 'grass roots' movement for sure...Dude.) Free Single Payer Health Care End the war on drugs Save Small Business From the CPSIA Pass Marriage Equality Rights for LGBT Couples Nationwide Make the grid green in 10 years Get FISA Right, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and restore our civil liberties Health Freedom IS Our First Freedom Forgive Student Loans: Stimulate the Middle and Lower Middle Class Appoint Secretary of Peace in Department of Peace and Non-Violence Four of the top 10 are 'health' related. If you go to #11; 5 are drug/health related.

MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 8:31:20 AM)
The "Secretary of Peace" will do what (besides have a massive staff and jet around the world wasting taxpayer money like Hazel O'Leary)? Make it illegal to look at others the wrong way? Outlaw hatin'? Set up reeducation camps for mean people, as defined by whoever is in charge? God, we got a bunch of geniuses out there.

DVsFox -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 8:33:20 AM)
I think I just threw up a little... DV's Fox

pahunkboy -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 9:06:31 AM)
well Merc, that is a mixed bag. Repeal Patriot for sure. But I am not so sure about getting too gung ho over legalizing drugs. ...and a dept of peace wont work. we have to call it dept of war. so as it does the opposite. George Soros is an agent for the British Empire. He can not be trusted. An economy does not grow per drugs. Not in the good sense. Soros is the biggest drug dealer and drug money launderer in the world. He needs to be stopped. http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/12/17/lpactv-briefing-george-soros-control-over-presidency.html

Evility -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 9:36:06 AM)
11. Buy Obama a thesaurus so I don't have to listen to that talking head utter the word "change" again.

awmslave -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 10:40:52 AM)
I agree with these as a goal. Some of them unrealistic though. The only way realistically to make grid semi-green would be to make nuclear energy the most important source (it is not fully green as it takes substancial energy to enrich Uranium). To achieve this in 10 years power stations building needs to start immediately. Solar and wind technology do not provide the needed volume. There is no free healthcare. The question is rather how to redistribute wealth and serve people who can not afford healthcare. I would support single payer system but I see no realistic way to introduce it considering US government ineffectivness, incompetnce, corruption and disconnect with reality in general. More realistic is Obama/Hillay2008 plan that currently is just to allocate tax money to insure the poor. Gay marriage issue can not be solved easily as it is not the matter of legislation only. Most of US population is against it and to change peoples political, religious and moral views is extremly difficult in short period of time.

Vendaval -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 1:48:25 PM)
Thanks for posting this, Merc. I support several of the isssues on the site.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 2:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Thanks for posting this, Merc. I support several of the isssues on the site. Your welcome - beth's posted to quite a few too.

corysub -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 3:29:24 PM)
Legalize the Medicinal and Recreational Use of Marijuana (A 'grass roots' movement for sure...Dude.) Yes, definitely we should leagalize pot for medicinal purposes . The government should license the tobacco companies and tax them and put the money into healthcare for poor people. Free Single Payer Health Care Free? The government can't GIVE anything....Every program involves taxes and that means that I will have to pay higher taxes to support millions of people who don't have private healthcare? We have enough programs now for people withhout healthcare and, correct me if I am wrong, a hospital ER has to treat a patient and if not keeping them in their facility, insure that they are transferred to a municipal facility or a facility that is part of the government program. Just ask our friends in the U.K. how much they pay in federal taxes on petrol....I'm paying $1.75/gal in New Jersey. "Free" healthcare would probably mean I would be paying $5.00/gal. End the war on drugs Since we don't want to win this war I agree that we should end it. If people want to destroy themselves with drugs...be my guest. If anything, selling legal cocaine, meth, heroin, for pennies would reduce the number of assaults and robberies, empty the jails, destroy a major source of income for the sub-culture of the world, and make a lot of people happy while they are still alive. Save Small Business From the CPSIA If I made small objects for sale I guess I would agree. However, if you want to save small business you can start with tax credits and reduce the minimum wage for high school kids working part time in my business. I had a 40% increase in wages and had to fire a third of our crew. Pass Marriage Equality Rights for LGBT Couples Nationwide There already are civil union equality acts protecting LGBT couples. I'm bi, and have a lot a gay friends. However, it seems to me that their fighting for "marriage" in the equation will be a major negative for a movement that has so much success since I was a kid. Maybe another time...but not now. With things getting so tough for so many people, we don't need "volunteer scapegoats" for the wrath of people. Make the grid green in 10 years This is the dumbest and most dangerous of all the ideas. People suggesting this have no idea what "making the grid green in ten years" would mean in terms of bankrupting an already bankrupt country. You do know people, that windmill farms ALL have back up and working fossil fuel generators that are required since the wind is not constant, storable and dependable. We should drill for natuaral gas which is plentiful in this country and Canada, drill offshore for oil, and spend what billions are necessary to use coal and create jobs in my state of Pennsylvania, for example. This "global warming" is a bigger ponzi scam that the $50 billion ponzi scheme that just hit Wall Street. Get FISA Right, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and restore our civil liberties Please...please tell me who here has lost any civil liberties by the enactment of the Patriot Act. It's all bullshit.... The Patriot Act should be strengthened. We are in a feakin war people...and some are leading us down the primrose path of peace and kumbiya....It's not the real world. Health Freedom IS Our First Freedom What the hell does this mean? (See above regarding the results of legal drugs.) Forgive Student Loans: Stimulate the Middle and Lower Middle Class Fuck the students. No one forgave my loans. If you borrow money from me...you owe it to me. If you borrow money from the taxpayers of the country, you owe it to them. Maybe mommy and daddy did not teach you that you have to earn your way. Grow up and accept your responsibilities. Stimulate the Middle and Lower Class... Good idea! A hand job works well...but a tongue works best! Appoint Secretary of Peace in Department of Peace and Non-Violence I thought all the hippies from the 60's were in nursing homes? I guess some got out. A "Secretary of Peace"...who suggested this, a pre-schooler? Now if someone suggested a "Secretary of Piece" that would get my vote.

TheUtopian -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 4:24:12 PM)
I agree-with /support nine of them, and indifferent to one. - R

CountrySong -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/10/2009 5:10:39 PM)
The Top 10 Ideas so far: Legalize the Medicinal and Recreational Use of Marijuana No thanks - it would just create more addicted bums trying to feed off the system. I actually have no issues with people who use drugs. Except that a lot of them get so addicted that they fuck up their lives and the lives of people around them and then expect others to pay for it. Free Single Payer Health Care If you can figure out a way to pay for it so that we don't add to the 184,000 per person national debt. I'm all for it. End the war on drugs Lets make it a death sentence for drug dealers at any level. That would end the war. Save Small Business From the CPSIA Yes the new lead laws are fairly stupid. Unfortunately a lot of people are stupid and/or unaware. If that was not so you would not need wording on coffee cups that says something to the effect of - BE CAREFUL THIS IS HOT! Pass Marriage Equality Rights for LGBT Couples Nationwide Good luck - the money and power is against it. Make the grid green in 10 years This is one of those - it is possible but no one gives enough of a shit about it. I mean all the lets go green people I meet are still driving cars and using electricity! Get FISA Right, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and restore our civil liberties It was all an illusion anyway. The NSA has been tapping and recording things for year anyway. This just makes it easy to use the info in court or to justify torture and killing. Health Freedom IS Our First Freedom Actually your first freedom is the right to act on your own behalf and work to buy insurance if you do not have any. Forgive Student Loans: Stimulate the Middle and Lower Middle Class How about this we create an online college with very low costs so that people who want to go can work and pay their way through. It is more than possible but billions of dollars in colleges and universities is against it. Appoint Secretary of Peace in Department of Peace and Non-Violence Violence has solved and will continue to solve major issues. (Just ask most subs butts about that!) Any time you think you can convince the rest of the world that that is not true then great lets set up that agency. Until then I want lots of guns, bombs, plains, tanks, etc. I think war has little to do with peace it has more to do with money and resources and taking them by force. While many of the above points are great they are all impractical due to the lack of caring, lack of financial resources, and lack of personal reponsibility. Not to mention that the people with the money and power have a vested interest in seeing that they do not happen! The best they will probably ever do is counterbalance the things that they are against. Unfortunately not enough people care enough especially when what they want to do affects their finances. Good luck. I'm not holding my breath on the things I'm working to change - homelessness and hungar for people and pets in the USA. Here's an idea - end corruption and greed in America. Never happen - most of us are so greedy that we borrow just to maintain our lifestyle. It sucks but that is reality!!! [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m23.gif[/image]

pahunkboy -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/11/2009 6:02:07 AM)
I like the revoke corporate personhood. after all- they keep taking my parking space. (and yours too, ...)

ArizonaSunSwitch -> RE: Change.org - Ideas for a new America (1/15/2009 10:12:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy well Merc, that is a mixed bag. Repeal Patriot for sure. While you're repealing the Patriot act are you going to repeal the laws that applied the same tools to white collar crime long before 9/11 happened ? Hmm ?

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