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legal junk. - 1/8/2009 8:05:12 PM   
lostgirl83


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Back in August I was looking at my car and decided it was crappy and I wanted and needed and had to have a new one. Did I really? Thats negotiable. I really could have sunk a thousand into the old one and fixed it up but thats a moot point right now.

I bought a car. Its a 2009 Jetta SE. Leather interior, heated seats, satellite radio... its black and beautiful.

Problem?

Well, I hate it. Not the car itself, don't get me wrong I LOVE the car with a passion unhealthy for any human to have toward a vehicle. More like I hate the payments. I hate the car insurance. After not having car payments for so long I can't believe I was dumb enough to get trapped by shiny paint and heated seats. I can't sell the damn thing because I haven't put enough money into it. What can I do?

Here's my idea.... I save up a couple thousand... enough to put down on a decent but used car. I find someone who makes considerably more money than I do and give them the car, sign everything over, and wash my hands of it. Is this allowed? Can I do this? I'm really just giving it to someone else who will continue to pay on the loan until its paid off, then the car is theirs.

Has anyone heard of this? Does anyone work in a car dealership that can give me some form of advice?
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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 8:15:00 PM   
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It depends on the lease you signed.  You can sign it over to someone and allow them to take up the payments, if that's allowed in the terms of the contract.  If not, it's your responsibility.  You need to look over your lease agreement or have someone knowledgeable look over it for you. 

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 8:16:32 PM   
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Hi lostgirl,

Yes, financially that can be arranged, but the trouble is, why would anyone agree to it? This is still a sale, and the same constraints apply--you would be selling a car for more than it's worth right now (given depreciation from new to used). Someone could just buy their own new Jetta.



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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 8:20:04 PM   
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I should add something to my response.  In most cases, you are still responsible for the loan.  You'd have to transfer the loan over to the person you're selling the car to.  If you don't do that, you're still responsible if the person stops making payments, or wrecks the car. 

Edited to add:  I briefly sold used cars for awhile. 

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 8:47:15 PM   
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Those judge shows on TV are full of crap like this. The problem is that YOU are the one who signed on the dotted line. That car is your's and that is that. To setup a take over payments contract that will hold up is a bit complicated, it can be done but there is some personal liability involved. I would say chalk it up to living and learning.

To take over payments on a new car, first of all the responsibility will ALWAYS be your's, if the buyer can't pay, then you must. Also, special provisions must be made for any equity the buyer might accrue before defaulting. Insurance is another issue, you are going to have to insure yourself even if you no longer drive the car, in fact you will most likely have to insure the buyer. They will have to remit to you in most cases. Sometimes they can get a surety bond or something like that for simple liability, but if there is a loan on it they will have to pay you for the theft, collision and vandalism coverage, and only you can collect on that.

Most likely the payment will be as much for the buyer, or more, than it was for you if all your costs are to be replaced. The only people who will do this would be those who can't qualify for the credit to get it in the first place. At that point you are looking at the very real possibility that they will default on you, leaving you holding the bag so to speak.

There are also plenty of exclusion clauses in insurance contracts, so if they smash the car you could be REALLY holding the bag. People without good credit could be drug dealers, and the car could end up at a police auction with YOU still making the payments on it.

Depending on what state in which you live, a contract could be drawn up, and it could concievably go well, but that is the exception and the only way to do it it with a quite forceful contract, which many people with a brain might refuse to sign,  unless you are willing to lose a bit of money.

For example it is required that you be covered on insurance for the car. Since you won't be driving it, why should the buyer pay for that ? I certainly wouldn't.

Sorry to say you are learning the hard way, right now. There is a bright side though, you learned on a car, not a house. If you think it sucks being without a car, think about being without a house.

Tell you what, I am not legal. I'll make the payment and you send me the car. If something happens I will call you and tell you to report it stolen. That is ironically the best deal you'll probably get.

Sorry that I don't have much encouraging to say, but the truth is the truth. But the education is priceless. You will think long and hard before signing your name next time won't you ?

Other than that, find more income.You said you like the car, well you only live once. Find a way then. I'll tell you a fast way to make money with a good reliable car, organ transportation. They give you stickers for the car that say that, and they load boxes with kidneys and whatnot in the back. You drive from one hospital to the next and get paid well for it. There may be other steps you can take to be able to afford it more comfortably, look into that. There is no quit claim on a car.

T

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 9:23:14 PM   
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Meh. Thanks. Thats pretty much what I expected. It couldn't be as easy as signing it over to someone else and walking away. Im not sure I would be into the whole organ transportation thing but thats a very interesting idea.... I never would have thought of that.

I suppose I'll just have to suck it up and deal with it.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 9:28:09 PM   
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Well on the plus side; when you do pay off the car, the VW Jetta has a pretty good resale value.   

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 9:44:43 PM   
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lol well this is true. I suppose if I ever sell it at least I'll get something back.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/8/2009 10:49:37 PM   
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With any luck maybe your income will increase over time and the payments will not hurt so much. Once paid off you have established very good credit. This can save you alot of money when you go to buy a house or borrow large amounts for any reason, like to start a business or something.

If there is a dark side, there must be a bright side somewhere.

T

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 6:11:17 AM   
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And you DO actually love the car---

Take good care of it, and when the payments end, you can drive it a good long time!

Then take the money you would have spent on payments and set it aside for the next time--assuming you didn't do something foolish like finance it for eight years (in which case you will always owe morre than the car is worth, and if you do happen to get into an accident, you will owe money even after you collect the insurance).

I wish yoiu the best.


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lol well this is true. I suppose if I ever sell it at least I'll get something back.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 6:33:02 AM   
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You love something deeply but are stunned at all the money it costs you.

Think of it as getting prepared for having kids someday.


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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 7:27:15 AM   
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quote:

You love something deeply but are stunned at all the money it costs you.
Think of it as getting prepared for having kids someday.


Or a husband who doesn't like to work.


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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 7:40:13 AM   
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ok.  so you and the bank bought the car.

call the bank. tell them you simply can not afford the car, ask what options they offer for "our" problem.

one key thing is how worried you are about your credit.  My old room MATE  could not afford a car, so he had them come pick it up.  he id not care about the credit reporting a voluntary repo.

this is the same guy that got money out of accounts that claim you cant before a certain date.  he paid $300 for a bankruptcy atty...  and he never paid his atty. 

I got tired of bill collectors, one even kept coming to the door!   ( a local finance co with outrageous interest rates)

But for that matter I am sick of bill collectors calling here for Tina, the gal who lost the house to foreclosure.   I was barely awake last week and agreed that I was Tina.  he told me all about her visa bill.  he isnt supposed to discuss the bill with other people.  so he now thinks I am her.  yesderday I told him I have nothing to say.  he said "is this Tina"?  in a flirtacious tone.  I set the phone down and walked away.  Even when I tell them to check the courthouse, every tom dick and harry calls for her. I changed then number once, but the still get it- even tho it doesnt go to any street.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 7:45:22 AM   
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quote:

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And you DO actually love the car---

Take good care of it, and when the payments end, you can drive it a good long time!

Then take the money you would have spent on payments and set it aside for the next time--assuming you didn't do something foolish like finance it for eight years (in which case you will always owe morre than the car is worth, and if you do happen to get into an accident, you will owe money even after you collect the insurance).

I wish yoiu the best.


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lol well this is true. I suppose if I ever sell it at least I'll get something back.



her loving the car is ir-relevant. 

one thing to consider is her commute.  how necessary THAT car is to it.  maybe a used car will work just as well.  so is that payment the cheapest way to have the tool of transport to work???

sat radio is a rip off.  likely she over paid for basic transportation.

what does one need in life.

water.  a roof, food, heat.    so a bonus if she can live in the heated car.
if it ever comes down to rent or car payment, which one gets paid??

If I were her, I would grab this chance to dump the chains of indebtedness.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 7:48:15 AM   
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OK Tina, we know it's you, the jig is up. Quit trying to hide behind the personna of a Gay male named Roger, you'll have to do better than that. Ve have vays of findink you, you see. Now pay up or ve vill hount you to the ends of the Earth.

T

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 7:48:23 AM   
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quote:

If I were her, I would grab this chance to dump the chains of indebtedness.


So you are encouraging her to default on a loan and agreement she took out with her lender?  She made an informed choice when she took the loan.  She is now suffering some pangs of buyer's remorse.


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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 8:03:34 AM   
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If I were her, I would grab this chance to dump the chains of indebtedness.


So you are encouraging her to default on a loan and agreement she took out with her lender?  She made an informed choice when she took the loan.  She is now suffering some pangs of buyer's remorse.



Katy, she has a dude to take the payments.  make it all legal and that is not default.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 8:09:32 AM   
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OK Tina, we know it's you, the jig is up. Quit trying to hide behind the personna of a Gay male named Roger, you'll have to do better than that. Ve have vays of findink you, you see. Now pay up or ve vill hount you to the ends of the Earth.

T


LOL. as it happens this girl is a lesbien and lived here with her gf, after she dumped her bf and 6 kids lived here that were not looked after.   she LOVED to party,,... she had a lot of fun.   as it turned out the bf -(neighbors thought he was bf) was really the brother.   I wanted to meet this girl.  In a waY I feel sorry for her.  She paid twice as much for the house then I did.  I can tell she was mad- they trashed the new dry wall with hammers.  (and did other damage)

somehow I think if I put this  phone number on a warranty, an account, anything that is a mailing list- that the info gets out.  I refuse to pay for caller ID.  it is a big house and it can be a run to the phone. 

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 8:10:10 AM   
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Okay, I completely missed her saying that she had someone inline to buy it from her.

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RE: legal junk. - 1/9/2009 1:42:50 PM   
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Sell it for the cost of the loan.  Take over payments more or less...but make them get their own loan.
People will do this because you have already put  ___ amount of money into it.  So its a little used, if its in great shape...its
still a new car.


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