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OrionTheWolf -> Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 5:50:45 AM)

MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (CNN) -- A state election board on Monday will announce Democrat Al Franken has defeated Republican incumbent Norm Coleman in Minnesota's U.S. Senate race, state officials told CNN Sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/04/minnesota.senate.race/index.html

As close as this race was, it shows me how divided Minnesota is on many issues. I hope that Franken and politicians across the country move towards more common ground and unifying this country more.




Owner59 -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 6:13:50 AM)

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DarkSteven -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 6:14:31 AM)

You're being premature.  I'd be VERY surprised if there was not a court challenge from Coleman's camp.




TribeTziyon -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 6:20:29 AM)

I suspect this is going to keep going for a bit more. All I can be truly glad for is that there has been no more mailings or commercials from them. At this point I wish they would just give it to the guy who came in third.




Cagey18 -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 7:56:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

You're being premature.  I'd be VERY surprised if there was not a court challenge from Coleman's camp.


You left out the qualifier "yet another desperate" [:)]




kdsub -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 8:42:22 AM)

Somebody must be dumping LSD in the water supply of the Twin Cities... they seem to like their oddball characters.

Butch




corysub -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 9:15:28 AM)

There will doubtless be a court case calling for another recount.   Seems there are still questions on many of the votes, lost votes that were counted, votes left in cars...etc etc...  Sounds more like Chicago politics than Minnesota..
As far as a guy like Al Franken taking a "middle road".....more of a chance that Bin Laden and Cheney kiss in public.  He is not only a super lib...he is a boring super lib that does not measure up to Keith Ubarman as far as that goes... His Air America show  was listened to basically by the Franken family, the SNL family, and about two dozen others.(Well, maybe a few more than two dozen but not too many more...)




popeye1250 -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 9:18:19 AM)

LOL, oh, this is going to be fun!
"Senator Franken says Leftists are "too conservative" for him."
"Senator Franken says the earth really is flat!"
"Senator Franken says Democrats "out of touch" with mainstream America."
The (real) comedians will have a blast with this guy!




Mercnbeth -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 9:21:59 AM)

~ Fast Reply ~
Good news -

One less incumbent, no matter the reasoning or the party involved - a GOOD thing.

And how much harm and what difference is it going to make having one more incompetent in the Senate? At least this one can provide comic relieve, intended or not.




SilverMark -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 2:18:15 PM)

The number of suits over this election will be numerous!....If he is seated however, it will be tough to un-seat him without some drastic turn of events in the vote count.
Coleman claims there are a number of ballots that were disqualified as did Franken....could get interesting!




Evility -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 2:28:24 PM)

The Franken-Coleman race became largely irrelevant the moment Jim Martin conceded the Georgia senate race to Saxby Chambliss. The big deal everyone was hoping for was The Dems attaining a super majority in the Senate. Those hopes were dashed when Saxby kicked Martin's ass in the runoff last month. The recount in MN has been a yawn ever since.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 2:30:49 PM)

At one point I read that Franken won by only 50 votes. That is a very, very slim margin so I can see why they may keep dragging this out. Should just go back to the state appointed Senators so that the states have some type of representation at the federal level.




MarsBonfire -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 3:05:55 PM)

American politics... hands down the best TV reality show... EVAH!!!

BTW, it's "Olberman"




Vendaval -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 3:32:11 PM)

With a margin of only 50 votes a court challenge is inevitable.  [sm=popcorn.gif]




MmeGigs -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 3:47:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Evility
The Franken-Coleman race became largely irrelevant the moment Jim Martin conceded the Georgia senate race to Saxby Chambliss.


It's extremely relevant to many of us who live in Minnesota.




MmeGigs -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 4:13:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
At one point I read that Franken won by only 50 votes. That is a very, very slim margin so I can see why they may keep dragging this out.


Franken has the lead by 225 votes.  Coleman's lead prior to the recount was 217 votes.  It really hasn't been dragged out yet, and I don't think that it will be.  Coleman's team says they'll file their legal challenge within 24 hours.  Everyone seems to be doing everything they can to move this right along. 




corysub -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 4:18:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

American politics... hands down the best TV reality show... EVAH!!!

BTW, it's "Olberman"


Nope....it's "Ubarman" to us neocons... did you really think I didn't know his name?   :)




MmeGigs -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 5:15:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: corysub
There will doubtless be a court case calling for another recount.   Seems there are still questions on many of the votes, lost votes that were counted, votes left in cars...etc etc...  Sounds more like Chicago politics than Minnesota.


There won't be any court case calling for another recount.  There are no grounds for that.  The process has been extremely transparent and well documented, so it will be easy to review.  There are very few ballots that are still in question.  There were 3 million ballots cast, fewer than 10,000 challenged ballots altogether, and nearly all of those have been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.  In each of the situations you're alluding to, the issue was either brought before the courts or the campaigns agreed on how they should be handled or both.  If you look at the actual facts behind each of the "questionable" situations and how those situations were resolved, you'd be hard pressed to show that the resolution was biased.  Our law says that every legally cast ballot should be counted based on the voter's intent, and if you look at the individual decisions that have been made by the courts in this, it's pretty clear that this was their guiding principle.

There was a big scandal in the rightie rags about a clearly biased call on a particular ballot that was blown up into a conspiracy, but it turned out that it was a mistake on the part of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.  They had a scan of every challenged ballot, who challenged it, on what grounds, and how it was decided by the canvassing board, all available online.  I looked at a bunch of them and it was fascinating to see what some people do with their ballots.  The Strib screwed up on one ballot and said it was awarded to Franken when the canvassing board had actually awarded it to Coleman.  I think it's pretty telling that the screamers who found this one ballot (prior to the Strib's correction) and made such a big deal about it didn't find any others to scream about.  I'm sure they looked, since the ballots were so readily available.  They're still there now http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/   I haven't seen retractions, but I haven't really looked.  If they're out there, they're not with the original diatribe.

The Coleman team says they will file their legal challenge within 24 hours.  If it's the challenge that's in the news now, I doubt they'll prevail, but I'm sure they'll get a fair hearing.  They may be able to come up with something better.  If the courts decide as a result of a legal challenge by one side or the other that this is too close to call, the winner will be determined by a coin toss.  That's our state law.  I love it.  It's a cheap and elegant tie-breaker. 

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As far as a guy like Al Franken taking a "middle road".....more of a chance that Bin Laden and Cheney kiss in public. 


I don't think I've heard anyone claim that Franken would take a "middle road".  Franken never claimed that.  I'm sure that the people who voted for him had no such expectation. 




MmeGigs -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 5:58:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Somebody must be dumping LSD in the water supply of the Twin Cities... they seem to like their oddball characters.


Minnesota has a very engaged and well-informed electorate.  Our population is on the whole better educated than that of most states.  We had the highest voter turn-out in the country in this last election.  We're well represented and well respected amongst the movers and shakers of the world.  And we like our oddball characters.  We're more about substance than about style.

Take a look at Jesse Ventura. http://www.voters4ventura.com/  The things that he wants are things that I think a heck of a lot of folks here want.  I agree with him on a lot of issues, and I voted for him for Governator, and still feel good about that.  I voted my hopes rather than my fears.  If you look at what he stands for you may understand why.  I'd never vote for him because he's thin-skinned and a whiner.  We didn't know about that back then - no one really challenged him in the campaign because they didn't think he could win.  I pay attention to who he's supporting now.  Anyone he supports is probably someone I'd like, definitely someone I need to take a serious look at.

Al Franken is a comedian.  A very politically active, well-informed, progressive-minded comedian. Fred Grandy - Gopher from "The Love Boat" - served 4 terms as a Republican US Congressman from Iowa.  He got the same kind of crap in his initial run for office, but did a damned fine job.  As did Republicans Sonny Bono and Ronald Reagan, both from the entertainment field.




bluepanda -> RE: Franken declared winner (1/5/2009 6:06:55 PM)

Not to split hairs too finely, but technically speaking, Franken has not been officially declared the winner. What has happened is that the vote count has been certified by the state canvassing board as being correct. The next step is that the state must issue an official certification of election, but if i recall correctly they are legally prohibited from doing so until all court challenges have been resolved. Since Coleman's attorneys have stated quite unequivocally that they will file a suit tomorrow, the state can not certify Franken as the winner of the election. This will probably go on for at least a couple of weeks, perhaps longer. Meanwhile, Coleman was essentially kicked out of his  Senate office today pending the results of the upcoming legal challenges. Which I found at least some satisfaction in hearing, but then I'm a nasty little prick when it comes to republicans, especially republicans like Coleman.




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