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Sanity -> Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/29/2008 7:58:28 PM)


The news article makes it sound kind of ominous...

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Smith says it's hard to say what might be causing the tremors but notes that Yellowstone is very geologically active. An active volcano there last erupted 70,000 years ago.

(Full article here)


Probably nothing though.

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I was there last summer and thanks to the high gas prices there were relatively few tourists, and almost no motor homes. Those circumstances made last summer the ideal year to visit, and it was fantastic for me to return there as an adult for the first time of my life.

The whole area is a very large caldera, and it's obvious what has happened there before, how catastrophic that last eruption had to have been.




TheHeretic -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/29/2008 9:00:25 PM)

      Visual aid... but they say 74 quakes. 




Sanity -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 3:26:36 AM)


The reports I read claimed 250, which is what makes them "unusual".

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     Visual aid... but they say 74 quakes. 




LumusandtheLady -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 5:24:14 AM)

[sm=dunno.gif]  It's going to go at some point, it has in the past. The issue now is that it's a so-called "super volcano" and it's going to do massive damage when it does. Some studies indicate it will change the global environment due to the amount of ash  it's capable of putting in the air. There's not much to do except prepare the best possible ways for when it does.

(Somehow, I don't think my homeowners insurance will pay out for this....)   [8|]

Rain




RainydayNE -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 5:27:45 AM)

this is all very interesting, really.
i saw something that also said around 250 tremors, not 74
i'd really like to visit yellowstone before it blows up =p (if it does in my life time)
and yeah, it's blown up before and it'll do it again at some point, whaddya gonna do? =p




DesFIP -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 5:29:21 AM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

Interesting reference to the effects of massive amounts of volcanic ash in the air. Perhaps we should start stockpiling food and wood.




LumusandtheLady -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 5:43:57 AM)

[X(]  I tended to stock up in Idaho, doing a lot of canning and food storage, that's the way I was raised. I simply don't have the room here. And wood? Oh good grief, I'm in the city now, the city would lock me up for cutting their trees down! [:D]

(Waiiittttt..... yer on a mountain top, right, Celeste?) *winks*

Rain




DesFIP -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 6:02:28 AM)

Side of a mountain, definitely. The comment about a foot of snow in June is worrying, I pay enough for plowing just during the winter. Certainly don't want to do so in summer!

Funny thing, my plow guy's kid is a year older than my youngest. Poor kid just got his license and was put to work plowing my driveway. Got stuck and had to call his dad to pull him out.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 6:13:37 AM)

Unless you have an air tight home, a badass air filtration system, and an independent power source that you could maintain for a year or two......stockpiling food would be futile.  Most of North America would be covered in a 1/4 inch in ash.  It would make breathing a difficult thing to do.  It would be enough to block out the sun, so no solar panels.  Even if you did have a shelter like I described, you'd still run into the problem of surviving after you emerged.  Most of the livestock, game, and plants in North America would be dead.  It could very well cause another ice age  too, so everyone in the Northern Hemisphere would have to adapt to that.  Oh, and forget about escaping.  Engines wouldn't be able to function with that much ash floating around.  So nope, best just to have a few drinks with a big bottle of sleeping pills.   




LumusandtheLady -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 6:23:40 AM)

[:)]  There's more reasons for food storage than just massive natural disasters. I've had times when my food storage has fed us (and others) during hard financial times. Or during bad weather when we couldn't get to the store. It's just practical and economical when you can do it. And since my house is in southern Idaho, if Yosemite goes, we won't be around for a year or more. [8|]

Besides, I enjoy canning, cooking and baking. It's even more fun when I can share the results. [;)]

Rain 




corysub -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 6:30:59 AM)

  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if the Yellowstone caldera blew it would not be a good thing for property values, or the value of anything other than food and water for that matter.
In the interim, I'm gonna just worry about things I can control.... If you want to track what's going on out there this link might be helpful to the University of Utah.

                                                http://www.seis.utah.edu/




susie -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 6:57:10 AM)

Yellowstone has to be one the most amazing places I visited in the US but then there were so many. When I was there the snow on the sides of the roads were higher than the car but I would love to return some day.




Sanity -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 7:43:29 AM)


Where the ash would go would all depend on the prevailing winds as well as the size of the volcanic eruptions(s). I went to Mt. St. Helens two years ago (which is still steaming, by the way) and while the devastation all around that mountain is awe inspiring, I found it curious the way the "cones" of ash dispersal adversely affected certain fairly distant areas because of the the jet streams, while certain other areas that were much closer to the mountain didn't get any ash fallout.

People were able to drive even in some of the worst conditions, there is footage available proving that. I'm sure it was very hard on their engine filtration systems, and of course people used dust masks, but they got by. Some of the worst carnage was caused by massive flooding when area rivers were inundated by glaciers which began avalanching off the mountain, carrying boulders and logs and ash with them, and creating natural dams which then burst and raged through the valleys below, all the way to the ocean...

Think about something like that happening in the Missouri and the Mississippi because of massive ash fallout!

Of course, if there were a massive enough eruption we might all die from global cooling, but smaller eruptions are a strong possibility too. Here in SW Idaho I would possibly be safe from any ash fallout in a less violent eruption, because the prevailing winds always blow the other way, East from Yellowstone.

In my profile photos there is one shot of me sitting on and surrounded by black lava rock, which was taken at a place called 'Craters Of The Moon National Monument' in  Southern Idaho. At the visitors center there, they have a detailed history of the volcanic activity of this entire region, and they claim that the "hot spot" that is now under Yellowstone created "Craters Of The Moon" as the tectonic plate it sits on moved over it. In fact, there is lava field stretching all the way from about Sisters, Oregon all the way to Yellowstone...

If you ever get the chance, spend a few days there (at Craters Of The Moon). It's highly educational, and well worth your time!


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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Unless you have an air tight home, a badass air filtration system, and an independent power source that you could maintain for a year or two......stockpiling food would be futile.  Most of North America would be covered in a 1/4 inch in ash.  It would make breathing a difficult thing to do.  It would be enough to block out the sun, so no solar panels.  Even if you did have a shelter like I described, you'd still run into the problem of surviving after you emerged.  Most of the livestock, game, and plants in North America would be dead.  It could very well cause another ice age  too, so everyone in the Northern Hemisphere would have to adapt to that.  Oh, and forget about escaping.  Engines wouldn't be able to function with that much ash floating around.  So nope, best just to have a few drinks with a big bottle of sleeping pills.   








DDraigeuraid -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 8:02:35 AM)

I saw a report several years ago about an anthropoligist? in eastern Nebraska who found animal skeletons buried in 6 feet of ash from about 600,000 years ago.  The gist of the report was that yellowstone has had a major eruption every 600 - 800,000 years.  So it could erupt tomorrow...or it could be another 200,000 years.  Nothing you could do to prepare for such an event.  No sense worrying about something you cannot control.

Dragon 




LumusandtheLady -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 8:54:35 AM)

Sanity, Craters of the Moon is amazing, isn't it? My family loved traveling all over southern Idaho and exploring the Snake River Valley. I hadn't seen the part about the hot spot having made Craters though, that's interesting. [:)]

Rain




MissEnchanted -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 9:58:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

Unless you have an air tight home, a badass air filtration system, and an independent power source that you could maintain for a year or two......stockpiling food would be futile.  Most of North America would be covered in a 1/4 inch in ash.  It would make breathing a difficult thing to do.  It would be enough to block out the sun, so no solar panels.  Even if you did have a shelter like I described, you'd still run into the problem of surviving after you emerged.  Most of the livestock, game, and plants in North America would be dead.  It could very well cause another ice age  too, so everyone in the Northern Hemisphere would have to adapt to that.  Oh, and forget about escaping.  Engines wouldn't be able to function with that much ash floating around.  So nope, best just to have a few drinks with a big bottle of sleeping pills.   

Check this link out: Passive Homes using a hepa filter for any air coming inside.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/world/europe/27house.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&em

I am growing food in my garden and am connected with a local group that not only grows their own but they also have a sub-group that works to keep all of their consumption within 100 miles.






Owner59 -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 10:50:12 AM)

 
Considering our entire world/existence floats atop of an ocean of molten lava,a little shifting is going to happen here and there.

Mount Saint Helens, is still very fresh in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgRnVhbfIKQ




Sanity -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 12:23:21 PM)


The entire Snake River valley, or more properly the "Treasure Valley" which runs East to West through all of Southern Idaho has supposedly moved over the hot spot that's currently under Yellowstone. Head South out of Boise down to the Swan Falls area or go North up Warm Springs Avenue to the Lucky Peak area or go East to the Malad River Gorge, or go West to Hells Canyon and you'll find sheer lava cliffs everywhere. Just a few feet under the soil all around here there are solid sheets of lava, and there are hot springs and vast lava fields of varying ages all around Southern Idaho as well as Eastern Oregon and Western Wyoming... and there are a lot of interesting lava caves in this area that I know about, too.

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ORIGINAL: LumusandtheLady

Sanity, Craters of the Moon is amazing, isn't it? My family loved traveling all over southern Idaho and exploring the Snake River Valley. I hadn't seen the part about the hot spot having made Craters though, that's interesting. [:)]

Rain










LumusandtheLady -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 1:04:08 PM)

Yep, I grew up in that area. Grew up in Kuna and lived out in the west Treasure Valley (Owyhee County) before moving here to Lumus at the end of May. Used to go hunting and fishing in the Hells Canyon area all the time. I still have my house there and my family is in the Nampa/Caldwell area.

And all the lovely hot springs....... [:D] ahhhhh!

Rain




Sanity -> RE: Scientists watch unusual Yellowstone quake swarm (12/30/2008 1:55:12 PM)

 
You're a Kuna Kavegirl?

Sweet... 

It's a pity what's happened to that area, how it's just another big city now, or just a suburb really.  [:(]




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