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IrishMist -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 7:29:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Safe, Sane, Consensual.

Presumably means not doing anything stupid, or harmful, or illegal.

In actuality, generally means "too lazy to think about the consequences of doing something."


It's not often that I agree with you, but dayum....you hit the nail on the head with this one.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 8:13:30 AM)

well that is has a lot of view points on that what one state says is leagle another one sodes not so it is really kinda of blanket statement give more detail what would get you in to trouble  maybe jail 




SirDominic -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 8:21:19 AM)

SS&C, really, is an understanding between partners concerning what things they will do and things they will not do. What is safe to one person would be insane to another, etc.

As with any generic term, it is meant to convey a basic concept. It is up to the partners involved to flesh out the concept so that it means what they both want it to mean.

As always, communication is the key!




IvyMorgan -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 8:31:36 AM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner

That would be the piece of case law which means that it is not possible to consent to an S&M activity in the UK, legally.  This lack of ability to give legal consent means that the top gets prosectued for assault, and the bottom can be prosectured for "aiding and abetting an assault against themselves".

There's also the "Extreme Porn" legislation, which means owning images of "serious injury" that is either "real, potential or imagined" to breasts, anus, or genitalia  is an offense.

A number of local authorities, Nottingham being one example, will not give licenses to fetish clubs, and have threatened to revoke licenses of clubs and venues that host fetish events.

Hope that helps answer your question.

Ivy




SimplyIsaac -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 10:27:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: yourMissTressSafe: implies that things are all good and warm and cozy.

Sane: implies that we are doing things that anyone would not find crazy.

Consensual: Implies that everything is agreed upon by both parties in advance.

I don't agree with safe and sane. Those terms are relative and hold meanings based on perception. There are plenty of things I do that others would not consider to be either of the two.

There are things I do that I don't consider safe. There is risk involved, I weigh the risks against the benefits, and proceed fully aware.

I do play with consent. That is, if you are playing with me, you are consenting and I will do what I want.

Therefore, I prefer RACK.


Agreed but I really hate all these cute short-hands.

I prefer just leaving the rules to live by out of the equation because they are based on ideas that are so subjective.




thetammyjo -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 10:52:23 AM)

To me, "Safe, Sane, and Consensual" all revolves about information and knowledge and how you use them.

Nothing is 100% safe, not even hiding in your home surrounded by pillows, but we take the responsibility to know how to play as safely as possible and put the knowledge into action constantly and consistently.

Sanity is a matter of context in many instances and our world too often judges in the abstract and general terms than in what is I consider 'sane' -- the ability to do understand why you do things well enough to make conscious choices that will not be unhealthy for you.

Consent also is difficult in our society given how often and easily we manipulate and are manipulated. Consent for me then is having the ability to gather as much knowledge as you need before agreeing to a situation or relationship dynamic as well as the knowledge that either party could end things if they felt it was necessary.

Just my thoughts... I think I'll put them on my LJ too.




missturbation -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 11:23:37 AM)

Safe - that you have looked at all the pro's and con's of the activity you are about to indulge in and have personally decided that there is little or no risk of permanent harm. Safe is pretty relative to the risks a person is willing to take.
 
Sane - of sound mind, judgement.
 
Consensual - that the activity you are both about to indulge in has been consented to by all parties.
 
I personally don't use ssc. Nothing i do is 100% safe, sanity is relative to the person claiming it.
 
I prefer rack. I am always aware of the risks and i always consent.




softness -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 4:22:22 PM)

Safe .... that it is ok and nothing bad (that you don't want to happen) is going to happen.
  1. I don't believe this is actually possible. There is always an element of danger even in the gentlest of vanilla sexual relationships. Nothing is 100% safe. Everything carries risks of some varying degree. Sometimes those risks are very trivial (Top breaking nail and ruining manicure) to extreme (bottom inadvisably turning head at exactly the second the Top misses with a single tail and strikes them at 750mph in the eye blinding them).
  2. Currently .... I make sure that all the risks in my control are limited to the best of my ability. I make sure that the person I am playing with makes a point to limit those things in their control to the best of their ability. I make sure that I am aware of possible outcomes and make a decision to continue based on those outcomes. I have very little interest in being safe, the very fact of being unsafe is *usually* what I am seeking: whether that be physically unsafe (breath play) psychologically unsafe (fear play) or emotionally unsafe (humiliation). To create safety removes the very thing I am seeking.

Sane  - that it is sensible, well thought out, and generally a good idea.
  1. Sanity is totally subjective. To certain members population even the gentlest BDSM relationship involving furry handcuffs twice a year and a bit of chocolate body paint ... is totally depraved.  You would have trouble persuading most people that the desire to tie your loved one up and hitting them with things was a "sane" past time. Even within the community .. many look at certain forms of edge play and brand it "insane". Then again I recently played with someone who found it 2nuts" that anyone would want to limit the number of orgasms a bottom had. Sanity .. well its a matter of perspective really.
  2. Like safe ... Sanity is difficult to create. I make sure I am in a stable emotional position and not under duress (either by threat or enticement) when I make a decision to engage in a particular activity. I do my best to make a similar judgement about my partner - keeping in mind I can only ever be Risk Aware and that judgement cannot be guaranteed. I would not play with anyone who I knew to have mental health issues that altered their self control. Similarly to safety ... I seek things that are a bit twisted and fucked up .. they please me.

Consensual - I agree to everything that is happening, want it to happen, was aware of it.
  1. This is possible ... and its very important. I have experienced non-consensuality, and consensuality - I prefer the latter.
  2. Consensuality with me (playing with me, being with me) is not having my permission and asking first. I do not require my partners to get a yes out of me before hand (though obviously for somethings I would prefer it) but I do 100% require that if at any point my tacit consent to all activities is withdrawn ... they act in accordance with that decision immediately and without debate. With play partners I do not negotiate limits before hand, I discuss preference and experience as much to understand theirs as to communicate mine. The only thing I stipulate is that when I say it's over, it's over. Obviously when in a devoted, serious long term D/s relationship, I am not going to call a hault easily .. I will strive to continue in devotion to my Owner. However in a play relationship and my word is final.

I would describe myself as a follower of RACK ... but even that is not entirely possible.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 6:02:14 PM)

-fr

SSC means:
“Hey noob/fresh meat, come on in, the water’s fine.  Us swingers with these here leather froo froo floggers and bunny fur whips only use these medieval torture devices for sexual ‘play’…  honest!”

/end of joke




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Safe Sane and consenual what does that mean (12/26/2008 8:25:15 PM)

yeah i saw that about the uk  I think that could be something that may be forming here
this what people do not understand when  you shove something down someones throat  as being a norm nillas vs non
that nillas which have a little more political power then we do will come up with ways to ruin our fun
so in a nut shell sometimes consesual means non public display of sexual artistic expressions  just a thought




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