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No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/24/2008 7:19:01 PM

Satyr6406

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardon_mistake

I wonder why this story was so hard to find (initially)?

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/24/2008 9:02:51 PM

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Satyr, we all know if you want news of the US, go overseas. One actual small paper in the US probably covered this, and nobody wants to read it because they care not who's ox gets gored, yes they are politically incorrect.

So because a donation can be traced to a known associate, the appearnce of impropriety has been nullified. Or has it ?

How do we know that Fred Jones didn't put a few bucks in the plate for Kevin McGurck ? Or I. Stink for Jack M. Jaws for that matter ? Didn't go to the same schools, never got busted cruisin' and boozin' in younger days, no known affiliation.

Well you can't trace everything, much as they would like to on us. I think it would be better if they turned all the intelligence services on themselves, so that those who pay them know what they're doing, not the way it is now.

So I am a bit in the dark about exactly what you mean by media manipulation. Media, government and big business has been in "partnership" so long it is not even seen as the conspiracy that it is. See I am not a theorist in this matter, it is right in front of your face and they have actually admitted it. But it is not a conspiracy, it is a partnership. In our best interest of course, not their's.

Then there's that oceanfront property in Belin, NM. (can't use AZ anymore, because really if they are as accurate with their predictions as they have been in the past, we could see that)

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/25/2008 8:52:04 AM

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Dunno...I saw this revoked pardon on blogs right and left like Huffington, as well as MSNBC and NY Times... Mabe it got more press
in the east and NY markets...

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/25/2008 11:17:44 AM

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I saw it all over the place. It didn't seem to be delayed, as far as I could tell, but I didn't really research exactly when it happened vs. when it became public.

Your question does raise an interesting topic, though: the current state of investigative reporting, and how it can be sustained in the future. The internet's role in the demise of newspapers is really throwing investigative reporting into limbo. Newspapers are dying, can't afford to pay reporters to spend the time it takes to investigate and develop such stories. The internet has no model to financially support investigative reporting.

I'm apprehensive about what may happen if someone doesn't come up with a way to pay for such an invaluable service.

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/25/2008 11:33:44 AM

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The internet has no model to financially support investigative reporting.

Yes it does. It's called "the blogosphere."

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/26/2008 10:16:43 AM

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hard you have a good point there. Also gone with tree based media will be alot of local reporting.

As far away as the concept may seem to some, reporters need to eat too, so now just how do they get paid ? Are we looking at an era coming in which we must subscribe to get news on the net, and it all comes in locked PDF files or something that do not allow copying ? Actually you can copy almost anything but they can make it a bit difficult. What's more are we looking at a bunch more laws to protect that content, rendering such things as quoting in blogs or message boards a criminal offense ?

I just reread that paragraph and now wonder if it's a bit of a hijack, or actually more on topic than the OP.

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RE: No Manipulation of the media, here - 12/26/2008 2:53:54 PM

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I wonder why this story was so hard to find (initially)?

I suspect for the same reason that nearly all stories are hard to find initially. Few stories debut as a lead. Most of the Big Stories started out as small stories, relegated to a couple paragraphs of filler in some newspapers, perhaps prominent in local media, getting no national play and little TV or radio exposure. Few stories ever become Big News, and those that do aren't necessarily the most important ones. The criteria seem to be pretty National Enquirer. News doesn't really sell, but gossip does.

Hands up, everyone who knows how many Afghani and Iraqi civilians have been killed since those wars began. Now hands up everyone who knows how big a settlement Britney Spears' dad got. Do a search and see which bit of info is easier to find.

This un-pardoning story has become Big News. It's a top headline on Google news, and is non-buried in other media I peruse. It's only been a couple of days - that's really pretty speedy for something with no sex, drugs or celebrities. It doesn't look too good for anyone involved. You seem to be implying that there was an effort to keep this out of the media. Who do you think was trying to keep it quiet, and why do you think they were trying to do that?

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