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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 1:30:08 PM   
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Oh of course not women can learn this too. there are now a plethora of internet based sources from books to videos which were not available 20 years ago. you should try the works of Mistress Midori and her books. you can alos try checking out www.twistedmonk.com and www.hogtied.com which are some of the best examples of rope work out there. word of caution about hogtied this site is for more advanced riggers and should not be tried without learning the fundamental basics of safety first.



Seconded. Please do not tell your bottom that you are captain amazing when it comes to shibari, and then compress her ribcage so much that she passes out when suspended.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 2:26:26 PM   
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Is it only men that practice the art of Shibari or can a mistress learn the art as well?

Girl has expressed an interest, but any questions of interest as been primarily towards the Dom and Masters. Of course you have the sub/slave girls speaking about it is used upon them and makes them feel.

Please tell me this is not one of those art forms strictly for men.

Thinks about how much trouble girl had trying to learn Chi Kung. Could not even get the male elders to even speak to me about it.



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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 2:28:44 PM   
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Oh of course not women can learn this too. there are now a plethora of internet based sources from books to videos which were not available 20 years ago. you should try the works of Mistress Midori and her books. you can alos try checking out www.twistedmonk.com and www.hogtied.com which are some of the best examples of rope work out there. word of caution about hogtied this site is for more advanced riggers and should not be tried without learning the fundamental basics of safety first.



After watching a few of the video samples at twistedmonk, found there are a similarities to the many knots girl learned in army cadets. Tying off the different limbs of the human body are much different than tying off bundles of branches or binding up sticks together to brace the walls of a fox hole. It would certainly take a lot of practice and someone just as interested in learning or being the recipient.
The body brace, is very similar in tying of a rope to create a spider harness. Girl has seen other examples of Shibari where the pattern is very similar to that of the 6-point harness.
Girl sees the patterns and the similarities between the knots used and those found in the use of marine knots and would you believe it, macrame.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 5:16:17 PM   
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Your photos are beautiful , I love the use of water and nature in yours it is very sensual

I have had an opportunity to participate in some  rope bondage and enjoyed.. the former dom interest in was that sensual bondage/restraint he knew he did have time to devote to extensive training  and for his own comfort level,  used safety belts for suspension play as this was something he does have a lot of experience with

I have watched a couple of rope artists    who  got into it more for the erotic artistic value

here is another example of artistic rope work http://www.garthknight.com/portfolios/portfolios.html





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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 5:45:40 PM   
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Love the pics, very impressive.
Especially the Angels&Demons

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 6:39:48 PM   
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... he doesn't do shibari, he does western "damsel in distress" rope bondage.

That's a great name for it!

I'm in that camp, too; I learned to make a nice rope cuffs and pretty much left it at that.

Once in a blue moon I attempt something more elaborate because my partners always have seemed to really enjoy it.

And it's a good exercise in patience for me.

But I seem to have some sort of spacial dyslexia involving 3-dimensional objects...
(Obviously, I don't attempt suspension of any kind. That would require a quite higher skill level, I believe.)

Trying to improvise a rope design can be fun, but can meet with mixed results if you don't do it that often.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 7:31:44 PM   
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Very beautiful photos...Thank you for sharing.

I was never into shibari-i thought it looked neat but i have a terrible attention span, and it bored me, until i got to try it. I realized what a trust-filled, intimate experience it was, not to mention the deep pressure is awesome, and pulling the ropes off can feel AMAZING, and the nerve sensitivity after? Oh man, yum....

I have been converted.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 7:46:55 PM   
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I was in high school when I discovered my uncle’s stash of porn magazines coming from Japan. He had recently come from working there and was temporarily staying at our place. I came across one with exquisite images of Japanese women bound in different positions! I immediately fell in love with the forms! Not understanding them at first, the images stayed with me till I got to college where the internet gave me the power of research and information. 

I took everything in, all the information that I can get about the craft… I focused mainly on the safety and the techniques knowing full well that if it were done improperly I am liable to seriously hurt a sub. 

College also gave me a cornucopia of willing subjects. What with the liberated atmosphere of the College of Fine Arts I openly claimed Shibari as my craft and there were more than enough “bodies” to work on  . Photography class was no less interesting as more people saw what I did more questions arose ergo… more subjects. 

Ever since then I’ve endeavored to refine my craft… but I have to admit even with the abundance of active participants there are still a lot that I still need to learn… the learning process never stops there… 

And here I am now… 

I am a “Nawashi” or a rope artist. And I make everything from gags, cuffs to body harnesses out of lengths of rope. I never use those clunky, clumsy, barbaric looking leather thingies as western bondage people use. 

Although their easier to use since you just snap, lock or clamp them all in place it would be difficult to explain if your bag was inspected in a mall with a bunch of BDSM gear. I also have issues with chains and metal locks… ever heard of the story of the guy who lost the keys to a pair of handcuffs? 

I never had problems with rope… in case of emergencies a good pair of scissors can free a bound captive quite easily. The material is also very economical. If it becomes dirty you can just throw it away and buy a new one… some cords can be easily washed. And most if done right can be aesthetically worn as fashion and clothing accents or accessories 

But it takes a particular level of skill to handle rope. If done without the proper know how you are liable to injure your partner.  The only recognition I ever received, as a person who has studied Shibari ever since, was the “PERVERT” tag.

1990, during this time, the word S&M or BDSM was not even in the public usage - it was all swept under the carpet and the purveyors were called perverts, "manyak", WEIRDO .

The subtle differences existing in the Shibari art, and the differences in S&M or BDSM, are hard to explain. To the eyes of many they all look the same; victimization of women. There are roughly two distinctly separate streams. The first depicting the aesthetics of roping and “bondage” while the other, much more on the pornographic.

So-called soft core / hard core S&M and BDSM clubs today are the products of the “second stream”. It is obsessed with vagina, cunt and anus, women's private parts which were not regarded important in the traditional Shibari art. In this new and popular form, Shibari is just foreplay, downgraded to a mere entree to the main act of sexual intercourse. It is certainly not seen as pursuit of aesthetics. Don’t get me wrong though there is nothing wrong with physical intercourse however, but Nawa-Shibari is not a part of it.

In my personal opinion “popularized rope bondage” is not the real thing because it does not thrive in the pursuit of the art.

Traditionaly Shibari is based on fairly specific rope patterns, most of them derived from Hojojutsu ties. Of particular importance are the Ushiro Takatekote (a type of arm box tie), which forms the basis of most Kinbaku ties, and the Ebi, or "Shrimp", which was originally designed as a torture tie but today makes the bottom vulnerable for more pleasant forms of play.

Generally, traditional Kinbaku is practiced with ropes of 7 meters (23 feet) in length. The rope material is usually hemp or jute (neither sisal nor manila hemp are usually useful), prepared according to specific techniques to achieve a pleasantly soft yet sturdy rope. Other materials are also sometimes used, although most synthetic ropes tend to be too slippery for Shibari techniques.

For historic reasons, Kinbaku uses very few knots, sometimes none at all, or only a lark's head or an overhand knot. This requires rope with high friction. According to Sensei Nawa Yumio in his 1964 classic book on Torinawa, knots on a person was regarded as extremely disgraceful, something some would regard as worse than death. Restraints with no knots were not considered "bondage" and there was no shame in such; therefore, "wrappings" were used.


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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 7:48:52 PM   
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Thought you might enjoy this...
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1712617/mpage_1/tm.htm


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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 8:13:14 PM   
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Thought you might enjoy this...
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1712617/mpage_1/tm.htm



There are some interesting points made in the posted thread and after reading through the various posts, girl is rather thankful that girl had the opportunity years ago to learn the importance of chi flows within the body. Looking back at the posts of links by the OP, at the arrangement of the knots, at no time are the flow lines of the body are disrupted.
Its any wonder why when girl tried it the first time that girl fell asleep, it was because there was little disruption and girl was able to become so relaxed.

By the way, OP, you mentioned the various use of alternative materials, but there was no mention of silk rope. Do you discourage its use? And what of cotton rope? Or, climbing rope?


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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 8:42:38 PM   
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What beautiful, sensual photographs! Thanks for sharing.

Like some others here, Shibari tends not to 'do it' for me. The little I've seen in the past appears so brutal and, well - uncomfortable. Lots of contorted, tightly bound, bulging flesh and red, sore, swollen body parts... blurgh. Not aesthetically pleasing at ALL - much less erotic. This is just my opinion, naturally - each to his/her own . With this in mind... I really DO like some of this 'softer' rope work. It's quite lovely.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/16/2008 11:18:23 PM   
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I had the honor of seeing a Japanese gay photographer demonstrate a form of shibari that he refers to as "free form" in a demo.  He used males as his models.  I was fascinated by how beautiful the rope looked on the bodies.  He said he had only tied a woman once, that his interest is in the male form. Each man he works on--has a unique form. He designs as he goes, to make the most of the individual's form.  When he is working, time seems to stand still.  One of the easy techniques he showed us was how to twist the rope. Also, he spoke about the importance of reinforcing the stress points on the body for suspension.

I am sorry I do not recall his name to point you to a link, but there was no question to me about art or craft--his work was definately art. I liked his idea of combining traditional shibari with an intuitive, experimental approach.  Each design he creates becomes "one-of-a-kind".
Because I saw this fantastic demo I've been inspired to experiment, to learn how to work in a similiar unique style, based on the body's form.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 4:06:37 AM   
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Here are a few photos of my work with one of my best collared subs, Mayi

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7417/dscn0145gk1.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6646/dscn0149ra2.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4074/dscn0151uh6.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4168/dscn0153jk8.jpg

These photos came out on a compilation of works by local artist on a coffee table book published in the Philippines.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5505/img0037pg1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9086/img0041wi6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9095/img0042vw0.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1954/img0065qq3.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7966/img0061mw1.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6492/img0066ur5.jpg

With the rope as the scale and the libretto written on the skin.

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/1239/img0101tj2.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9821/img0123xm8.jpg





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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 5:53:16 AM   
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These are really wonderful pictures.  Thank you for sharing.    I am a huge fan of Shibari and rope bondage, but I am still a virgin bunny.  My Lady has hopes of learning some techniques and knots and I hope we can convince an expert to tie me up someday. 

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 7:46:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae
By the way, OP, you mentioned the various use of alternative materials, but there was no mention of silk rope. Do you discourage its use? And what of cotton rope? Or, climbing rope?

Well about the kinds of rope, I come from a tropical country where it’s hot and humid for the most part of the year. Silk tends to get hot and can leave nasty rope burns. I also used cotton rope a few years back but here, cotton rope only comes in white. Not only is that limiting as far as aesthetics are concerned but they also get dirty easily. And since its cotton it becomes a breeding ground for bacteria and mites when stored.

“Carmantle” or climbing rope can be used but these are thick and they don’t have the soft “give” when you wrap it around limbs.

What I use now is this nylon rope that comes in different colors and thickness. They very strong and good for suspension stuff. Also since its plastic based they’re affordable and machine washable.



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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 9:23:09 AM   
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Just for the record, although Shibari is a Japanese artform i am not Japanese so i had to learn this from scratch too. I had no access to books or lessons, all i had was the internet during the 1990s to get info on the subject. it took me 7 years to learn the basic and all in all i have accumulated about 20 years of practice and i still learn new things every session. but of course there are more sources now than before.

Also bdsm is absolute taboo in our country which made it so difficult to learn let alone practice what i do. but it's slowly changing. right now i am the only performing rope bondage artist in the country.

personal preferance on rope is hemp or dute.



Oh of course not women can learn this too. there are now a plethora of internet based sources from books to videos which were not available 20 years ago. you should try the works of Mistress Midori and her books. you can alos try checking out www.twistedmonk.com and www.hogtied.com which are some of the best examples of rope work out there. word of caution about hogtied this site is for more advanced riggers and should not be tried without learning the fundamental basics of safety first.



I did some workshops with Midori and was very dissapointed but then perhaps thats just me.

This woman is pretty awesome http://e3nomad.deviantart.com/

and so is Mistress Violently and Nawashi ( though he is a man)

I love full body rope suspension and feel that is real art form but it needs someone who can work the ropes quickly, roughly and expertly around a female form.
If someone takes too long to rope me up then I am going to just get bored and start exploring how to get out of the knots!

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 11:06:07 AM   
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Well about the kinds of rope, I come from a tropical country where it’s hot and humid for the most part of the year. Silk tends to get hot and can leave nasty rope burns. I also used cotton rope a few years back but here, cotton rope only comes in white. Not only is that limiting as far as aesthetics are concerned but they also get dirty easily. And since its cotton it becomes a breeding ground for bacteria and mites when stored.

“Carmantle” or climbing rope can be used but these are thick and they don’t have the soft “give” when you wrap it around limbs.

What I use now is this nylon rope that comes in different colors and thickness. They very strong and good for suspension stuff. Also since its plastic based they’re affordable and machine washable.


At the local Mountain Co-op, they have various types of rope of varying degrees of elasticity. Some as much as 30%, which is good if you happen to be falling 30 feet off the side of cliff face. Just wondering, since they do use nylon with some of these climbing ropes. What is your opinion upon their use instead of using the static nylon ropes that you use?


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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 11:33:57 AM   
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I very much love shibari.  I think it's a beautiful art and I can't wait until I can take part in it.
There's is nothing I love more than the feeling of becoming one's masterpiece..
I am the marble in which you carve your Venus.

Fabulous pictures.
And thanks for all the different links.

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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 12:13:41 PM   
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At the local Mountain Co-op, they have various types of rope of varying degrees of elasticity. Some as much as 30%, which is good if you happen to be falling 30 feet off the side of cliff face. Just wondering, since they do use nylon with some of these climbing ropes. What is your opinion upon their use instead of using the static nylon ropes that you use?


I can't really say since the materials that you see there are not localy available here so i don't really have a basis for comparison . You can do a test on the rope by draping it over your arm and try tightening it with your hand. if you twist the rope and it's too uncomfortable on your skin then i think its safe to assume that it may not be good for extended rope play.


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RE: Shibari - The Way of The Rope - 12/17/2008 12:16:47 PM   
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Thank you shinobi,

Girl will check that out.
Rubbing the rope against the cheek is really no way to test for comfort. *giggles*

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