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MzMia -> History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/14/2008 6:20:47 PM)

I love to learn and I think "adult education" is so easily accomplished
these days, especially with the internet.
 
I have been reading about the history of the labor movement in the USA, lately.

How many realize that the Labor Movement in the USA was one of the bloodiest

labor movements EVER????
 
If you don't remember or have never learned or studied about the working conditions in America
at the turn of the last century, please read about it.

I have found a comprehensive guide regarding the Labor Movement from 1763- to recently.
Please, take a look at it if you have the time.
Reading has been and always will be "fundamental".
 
A Curriculum of United States Labor History for Teachers.




Vendaval -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/14/2008 7:00:01 PM)

Great topic, Mz Mia.  I was looking at some of the on-going labor abuses reported and documented here in this country.  From the Institute for Labor Studies and Research -  http://www.rilaborinstitute.org/news.html

"Governor Signs Bill Targeting Slave Rings"
 
By Jordan Rau
September 22, 2005 in print edition B-6


"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger approved a package of legislation Wednesday intended to crack down on slave rings that force people – often poor and illegal immigrants – to perform menial and sometimes debasing work in sweatshops, construction and prostitution.

“The practice of trafficking in human beings – modern-day slavery – is a horrific crime that our society cannot abide,” Schwarzenegger said.

The legislation establishes a felony crime of human trafficking, which is a national problem that particularly afflicts California.

Though law enforcement has been able to prosecute many of those crimes under existing state and federal laws, including kidnapping and pimping, advocates said the new law would help convict those who use psychological coercion."

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/sep/22/local/me-human22




MzMia -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/14/2008 7:10:31 PM)

Thank you Vendaval,
 
I don't like ALL of the labor Unions and I don't care for a lot of what the UAW
has done or stood for.
 
There are hundreds of Unions, not all of them are bad.
If we did not have any Unions, what protections would workers have?
I think many people that are NOT in Unions tend to dislike Unions.

I have been in a few Unions that were full of crap and did nothing for me, but as I stated
in my other post, my current Union is not like my past Unions.
 
I really think many of us have not learned or studied
how bad working conditions were for many people at the turn of the last century.
Of course Unions need to be flexible and willing to make concessions.
 
Unions should not be allowed to go "unchecked", and can be reformed and changed to do what
they are supposed to do.




myotherself -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/14/2008 9:42:05 PM)

Maybe something we in the UK could also look at. 

I agree that not all unions perform as well as each other, and some have an agenda that is not necessarily the best for their workers.  But many unions are essential to keep the country running.  In particular, those looking after workers in the National Health Service, the Fire Service, the Police, education, local government workers. 

The employment pay and conditions for these workers are set and managed by the government.  How can a single person, or a single school/hospital/fire station etc. argue with the government for a living wage and decent working conditions, and hope to win?  Only by getting together and speaking with a single, powerful voice have we begun to address these issues.

Many may moan about public sector workers taking industrial action, but believe me it's a last resort, and sometimes it's the only way to make these professions attractive enough to attract new talent, and secure enough to retain old talent.  Twenty years ago when I left university I wanted to be a teacher, but pay and conditions just didn't compare to other professions.  Now it's a viable option, thanks to unions.

Just my two penn'orth...




popeye1250 -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/15/2008 1:51:45 AM)

These days "da company store" is Walmart.
Read about "The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire" sometime.
One hundred forty five mostly women and girls died as the jumped  to their deaths from a fire in a building in which they were locked into their working areas.
American companies are still doing that kind of shit!
Only they do it in China now.
If it says, "Made in China" I don't buy!
"No tickey no shirtey."




MzMia -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/15/2008 4:39:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

These days "da company store" is Walmart.
Read about "The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire" sometime.
One hundred forty five mostly women and girls died as the jumped  to their deaths from a fire in a building in which they were locked into their working areas.
American companies are still doing that kind of shit!
Only they do it in China now.
If it says, "Made in China" I don't buy!
"No tickey no shirtey."


Thanks for mentioning the "The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire" Popeye.
It was one of the worse tragedies prior the Labor Movement.
Many have either forgotten their history or need to really start reading more.
Thanks again!

T R I A N G L E F A C T O R Y F I R E




ScooterTrash -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/15/2008 5:31:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

.....If it says, "Made in China" I don't buy!

(mini hi-jack) What sucks Popeye is that we are starting to lose that choice. This summer we were needing some landscaping tools and I was quite pissed when everywhere we looked for one particular item, the only, and I do mean only, choice was made in China. I'm fine with paying a bit more for made in USA, but kind of stuck when there is no option. I'm not even sure who to blame for this one, the retailers or ??? 




thishereboi -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/15/2008 6:30:25 AM)

That was a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. Thank the goddess we have labor laws now to prevent people from being used like that.




MzMia -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/15/2008 7:55:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That was a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. Thank the goddess we have labor laws now to prevent people from being used like that.


Many people are really clueless about the working conditions for "most" people prior to the labor movements and labor reform.
I wish a few of them, could spend a few hours back in those days, they would sing a different tune.




MzMia -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/19/2008 11:18:57 PM)

Let's see I have no job {sometimes because I have no Union}, I don't make shit {also because I have no Union}, but I hate Unions!
I especially hate those in Unions that make sure their workers have great job security, great benefits and great pay!

As shitty as the economy is right now, I really appreciate my Union.
I might send them a tip.
LMAO




thishereboi -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/20/2008 5:20:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Let's see I have no job {sometimes because I have no Union}, I don't make shit {also because I have no Union}, but I hate Unions!
I especially hate those in Unions that make sure their workers have great job security, great benefits and great pay!

As shitty as the economy is right now, I really appreciate my Union.
I might send them a tip.
LMAO



Millions of people go to work everyday, have a good job, good salary, good benifits and they have never belonged to a union. I am not sure why someone would think they can not get a decent wage without the help of a third party, but I really feel sorry for them. They must have really low self esteem.




celticlord2112 -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/20/2008 3:42:47 PM)

quote:

I especially hate those in Unions that make sure their workers have great job security, great benefits and great pay!

Abso-fucking-lutely!

Job security is a fiction. It DOES NOT EXIST.  Union whiners need to grow up and realize this.

Benefits and pay in excess of what the market commands is the surest way to kill a company and an industry.

Unions are evil.  I despise each and every one of them.




leatherjacket -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/20/2008 4:13:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

Let's see I have no job {sometimes because I have no Union}, I don't make shit {also because I have no Union}, but I hate Unions!




Unions don't create jobs. In many circumstances, they prevent employment.




corysub -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (12/20/2008 8:30:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That was a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. Thank the goddess we have labor laws now to prevent people from being used like that.


Many people are really clueless about the working conditions for "most" people prior to the labor movements and labor reform.
I wish a few of them, could spend a few hours back in those days, they would sing a different tune.


The "Triangle Fire" tragedy is a classic story that every generation learns and it was an important energizer to the formation of unions.  The union that grew to represent those poor woman, the ILGWU, International Ladies Garment Workers Union, did a lot of good, as most unions do...but also a lot of nasty stuff.  I had family members who belonged to that union and were taken advantage of by unscrupulus factory owners with the help of the "union representative".  I remember so many times mom coming home and discussing how the "girls" would see their union rep go into a private meeting with the "boss" who and worked out the pay that would be received for each garment made.  Every girl had their piece of work on the assembly line and got paid by the piece.  How many times do I remember the sorrow in her voice as my mother would discuss the low piece work pay they would be forced to accept.  In those days it was the poor Italian workers, than the poor blacks had their turn in the mills, and finally the spanish.  Eventually, even cheaper labor was found in the south and New York lost the bulk of its garment industy.
The union saved no ones's job!  Now, thanks to demcorat Bill Clinton's NAFTA, those jobs went first to Mexico, Latin America, and now China.  So much for the democrat party and "job disintergration"...NOT creation for workers. 
Now the unions are more or less totally in control of the democrat party labor agenda and will not just destroy an industry, but the economy.  This naive, young "president elect" is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on "green" industry instead of putting tax incentives into the hands of private, profit motiviated industry that would create REAL jobs, not government "make worki" projects that failed in the 1930's.  Oh yes, and the worker that the democrat party supposedly cares sooooo much about is going to lose their right to a secret ballot to choose to have or not have a union shop.  The worker is once again told to bend over and hold his ankles.  Shame on these politicians..but more shame on the idiots that don't see the REAL reason why laws are enacted.  The so called increase in the minimum wage did more to destroy job creation than Chinese job competition...forcing small businessmen to not hire or lay off young, entry level workers who don't support families but work in those hundreds of thousands of "first jobs" in local hospitality stores, from hamburgers to ice cream dipping. 
Ask any small businesman you know just how negative the minimum wage escalation was in job losses....look up the statistics on just how difficult it was for teenagers to find jobs this past summer...and be prepared for an earful.  Sure the economy was softening, but a forty percent increase in wages for unskilled, "first job"s, had a lot to do with it as well.




Manawyddan -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 6:12:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Millions of people go to work everyday, have a good job, good salary, good benifits and they have never belonged to a union. I am not sure why someone would think they can not get a decent wage without the help of a third party, but I really feel sorry for them. They must have really low self esteem.


Of my company's last two CEO's, one drove the company into bankruptcy and the other hired consultants which mired the company in so much impenetrable bureaucracy that the simplest procedures became unworkable to the point that it even negatively affected out stock price because customer satisfaction had plumeted.

Both retired with multi-million dollar golden parachutes.

I don't begrudge the fact that my union helps make my position a little more secure. Even were I completely incompetent, I wouldn't do nearly as much damage to the company as those two did, and the company pays me a lot less to do it.





bluesgun -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 4:04:32 PM)

Personally I think every industry should be a union shop.
Minimum wage is just a way for the greedy buisness owner to say "If I could pay you less I would,but its against the law."
Workplace safety would be gone if not for unions, factories and construction sites would be the
equivelent of death row.
When unions are gone I fully expect to see the rise of slavery again.
Wouldn't be suprised to see Bush&co. spearheading that movement considering all the right has done to
eviscerate solidarity here.
Just my opinion.





thishereboi -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 4:14:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bluesgun

Personally I think every industry should be a union shop.
Then I am thankful you don't have a say in the matter.

Minimum wage is just a way for the greedy buisness owner to say "If I could pay you less I would,but its against the law."
That doesn't even make sense.

Workplace safety would be gone if not for unions, factories and construction sites would be the
equivelent of death row.
So all the non union factories are equall to death row? Is that what your saying? Why don't you give us a couple of examples of these terrible non union shops. And while you are at it, explain how the Nissan plant in TN does so well without a union.

When unions are gone I fully expect to see the rise of slavery again
Thats ok, you can expect what you want. It won't happen, but you can expect it.

Wouldn't be suprised to see Bush&co. spearheading that movement considering all the right has done to
eviscerate solidarity here.
Well if Bush can do away with the unions, more power to him, but I doubt he will.
Just my opinion.
Yea, me too.






LookieNoNookie -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 5:48:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

I love to learn and I think "adult education" is so easily accomplished
these days, especially with the internet.
 
I have been reading about the history of the labor movement in the USA, lately.

How many realize that the Labor Movement in the USA was one of the bloodiest

labor movements EVER????

(Anyone that's ever read anything at all about history).
 
If you don't remember or have never learned or studied about the working conditions in America
at the turn of the last century, please read about it.

I have found a comprehensive guide regarding the Labor Movement from 1763- to recently.
Please, take a look at it if you have the time.
Reading has been and always will be "fundamental".
 
A Curriculum of United States Labor History for Teachers.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 5:56:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

I love to learn and I think "adult education" is so easily accomplished
these days, especially with the internet.
 
I have been reading about the history of the labor movement in the USA, lately.

How many realize that the Labor Movement in the USA was one of the bloodiest

labor movements EVER????
 
If you don't remember or have never learned or studied about the working conditions in America
at the turn of the last century, please read about it.

I have found a comprehensive guide regarding the Labor Movement from 1763- to recently.
Please, take a look at it if you have the time.
Reading has been and always will be "fundamental".
 
A Curriculum of United States Labor History for Teachers.


Not sure where you went to school Mia, but I learned about it elementry school. I was first taught the term muckraker in 6th grade and by the 8th grade I had read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

I find it funny on how the moden labor movement wants NOW to force open voting instead of secret ballotts...lol




MzMia -> RE: History of the Labor Movement in the U.S.A. (1/3/2009 7:42:22 PM)

Hiya FDD,

I started this thread because of a similar thread that was going.
It was many OTHER anti-union folks that seemed to have forgot how
many of the working conditions were before the labor movement.
 
Do you only start threads about subjects you just heard or read about?
I also found the TRIANGLE fire interesting.

I am a life-long reader and I love history.
I would be lying if I told you I remember every single thing that I learned in
high school or college over 20 years ago.
[:)]




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