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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:14:13 PM   
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Rover, would you please tell me what TDV is?



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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:15:00 PM   
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  I'd only be a slave to someone I really liked...


Because I am a devils advocate:

If the above quote is true: What is the point or need to call oneself a slave at all? Did the term slave or slavery just suddenly and magically appear with the bdsm crowd or something?

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:24:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

Rover, would you please tell me what TDV is?



TDV is "The Dominant's View", where Lucky Albatross is a featured columnist.
 
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Thank you
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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:27:37 PM   
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Anyways the Dom I was in correspondence with told me the same guy contacted him saying he had some slaves to sell(!)

Now this really spooks me out.   People who take slavery literally.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:39:20 PM   
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It makes me wonder what alot of people are really getting out of BSDM -- if it's all in good fun or if some people are truly using it to manipulate people and cause real damage.

What I get out of BDSM--I get to beat my woman with wild abandon then fuck her silly in any (or every) hole.  Yeah, I really should put her away in a cage aftewards with the other toys, but now that it's winter I'm much more likely to keep her in the bed (that whole warmth/shared body heat thing).

Is it all in good fun?  It's good for me and definitely fun.

Are some people using it to manipulate?  I suppose it's possible my slave might manipulate me into spanking and fucking her....but since I'm happy to do it anyway, who cares?  She gets her ass beat and then used, I get to beat then use her ass.  If that's manipulation, I'm ok with it.

Yeah, there are some assholes out there who will do things to their slaves that the slaves really really REALLY dislike....and there are even a few who cross the line into abuse/rape/sexual assault.  My advice is to avoid them.  Stick with the sick fucks who just want to beat you and make you cry.


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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:45:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The humilation and submission i got from being sold...had me begging to cum in the first few hours of being with my new Master...was it proper? probably not...but...i suppose being put on the auction block is/was a thrill.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Selling a slave within the consensual slavery arena is not so un common, I know several kajiri (Gorean slaves) who have been sold several times over the last 15 years or so. . That many there consider themselves to be as genuine a slave as those who were in bondage many years ago, is not surprising and especially if the M/s relationship they are in is working well for them. In every form of life there those who take things to the extreme and there are those who do not. Whilst I love watching extreme sports, there is no way known to mankind that I would ever become involved (assuming I was fit and well enough to do so), yet there are other areas I have been involved with where even trained personnel still maintain I was crazy to attempt such things let a lone pull the stuff off.. Just because you don't understand how other people see things or their lifestyle does not make it wrong and sets you up as an open target for speaking out against them..

Slavery, real slavery in the true sense exists. Girls, often homeless or run-aways, are picked up off the streets and end up on Asia, the Middle East or in South America. There were a couple of shielers who were giving a whole pile of folks the shits and other grief who after a couple of phone calls, disappeared only to find themselves a month later sold to a brothel on a mining camp in the upper  Amazon.. Such things happen more often that all the "right minded", right wing do gooders want to accept, or admit to.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 5:48:31 PM   
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Now this really spooks me out.   People who take slavery literally.


Outside of BDSM, there are people who take that one line in marriage vows too literally. You know - til death do us part.

People in the BDSM "scene" or whatever you want to call it are still - People.


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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 6:01:35 PM   
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The humilation and submission i got from being sold...had me begging to cum in the first few hours of being with my new Master...was it proper? probably not...but...i suppose being put on the auction block is/was a thrill.

I know anti-racist activists who enjoy being "enslaved" to white men in private.  I wouldn't worry too much about proper or improper within the context of personal relationships.  Human beings are awfully complicated, and what makes us hard or wet can be pretty whacked out.

There is ethics and morality above and beyond BDSM.  For example, in another thread, you posted you were going to club your Master and take him to the doctor.  That's not very slave-like... but yeah, if you love the guy, that's what you should do.  It's more important to take care of his needs than to stay in a cage, even if the cage would be more comfortable, and less confrontational.


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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 6:02:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I find nonconsensual slavery to be disgusting. To me if you have to kidnap,beat, and brainwash someone in order to be your slave, then you just have no clue how to dominate someone. Now I know many people will disagreed with that and frankly I do not care.

Now if someone decides they want to be  a slave and they go along willing to be sold to whomever, that is cool, that is with consent.

Different people have different views of just what "slavery" means. Some base it on fact, most base it on a fantasy from some book. But its up to each person to decide just what slavery means to them.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 6:13:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		that right lets all make up our own definitions for slavery and while we are at it lets write our own dictionaries too. In another decade we wont be able to understand eachother.

I on and use people for my purpose profit and pleasure therefore I am a slave by "my" definition.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 6:59:10 PM   
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that right lets all make up our own definitions for slavery and while we are at it lets write our own dictionaries too. In another decade we wont be able to understand eachother.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 7:37:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

What did people do before there were dictionaries? Did we all just run around speaking mutually incomprehensible nonsense?

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that right lets all make up our own definitions for slavery and while we are at it lets write our own dictionaries too. In another decade we wont be able to understand eachother.



No people were too busy exploring where they were, inventing things and pissing off people in other places by invading them.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 7:39:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually yes they did. Remember, prior to Shakespear, words were spelt phoenetically and thus the spelling changed fron county to county in England. ee even how the English language has changed so we have American English, Australian English and UK English with on line spell checks with even UK English not beeing the Queens English or pure Oxford English.. :Lets make it interesting for folks though as add into your personal languate items named in other languages like Hebrew (ancien and modern) Greek (ancient and modern) and so on and so forth.. I may just start writing Australian slang as well all the time so only Aussies and Kiwis can understand.. Not sure if M11 will allow that though.. 

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 8:40:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		But people's language wasn't mutually incomprehensible.  It was just a time of free rein for whatever orthographical mood you happened to be in.

< Message edited by Lordandmaster -- 12/14/2008 8:41:37 PM >

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 10:08:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..

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  I'd only be a slave to someone I really liked...


Because I am a devils advocate:

If the above quote is true: What is the point or need to call oneself a slave at all? Did the term slave or slavery just suddenly and magically appear with the bdsm crowd or something?

starshine


Sniff sniff, smells like elitism to me. I didn't know there was only one true way to be a slave or anything else.  If he wants to be called a slave, go him. He has every right to only be a slave to someone he likes. As the OP will probably learn fast, everyone does things differently. Some people look for true companionship with BDSM and others just want hot sex or to be treated like dirt. Do what makes ya happy with the person who makes ya happy and screw off to anyone else who doesn't get it.

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 10:44:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sometimes you may come across to mentally deranged people - what you could do is to ignore/block/report them.
On the other hand - there might be "slaves" out there who do take it literally; hopefully, it's been their choice, therefore they are not quite slaves...

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/14/2008 10:51:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well thanks for your input everyone.  I will state that my first Master (I am back to Him now incidentally) wanted me to be His slave and I complied.  He was a friend I really liked -- end of story.

Thing is I'd rather be with a Master that I knew enough to be comfortable with.  However handsome any Guy is I wouldn't want to jump into being His slave.  I'd have to know what He'd want out of it, and if it would be the thing for me...  Thing is I don't often get Guys into leather that much, it always seems to be some ordinary dork from Nebraska...  And it's always those types that creep me out, not men in leather...

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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/15/2008 7:19:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

But people's language wasn't mutually incomprehensible.  It was just a time of free rein for whatever orthographical mood you happened to be in.


But of course you are right and I couldn't agree more. Perhaps old chap, 'tis time to return to a happer orthographical time and allow all the freedom to explore and experiment. Afetall they couldn't make a bigger cluster-fuck that they do now wouldn't you agree?


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RE: Taking slavery too literally - 12/15/2008 8:04:16 AM   
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I've been told there's some in the scene that do not view slaves as lovers or even friends... 


Correct i'm one of them


me too!  me too!  That's not to say that there are no feelings of fondness between us.  It's just that the relationship isn't based on that and doesn't need that.  It's based on Him being in charge and me doing what i'm told.  There isn't any cuddling or hand-holding or romance, except when He wants it and that's rare and brief, when it happens.  He has never and will never "make love to me".  That's not what i'm here for and not what He wants from me. 
 
Of course, there are plenty, probably most, M/s relationships that are cuddly, romantic and all that jazz and they are very happy and successful.  It's just not the case for all of us and we are very happy and successful in our relationships, too.  To each their own, as they say.
 
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