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celticlord2112 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 8:59:18 AM)

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I have never known more than a few people who could keep their mouths shut long enough for a conspiracy to work.

Nor have I.  Frankly, I am far too much the cynic to put much stock in conspiracies--they give people credit for far too much intelligence.

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.




SilverMark -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 9:19:27 AM)

lol....No question about that!




housesub4you -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 9:25:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.



LMAO when i read this line




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 10:57:32 AM)

sorry, PA, Blago hasn't been doing his job lately except trying ride on Obama's coat tail.

he waited to the last minute to suggest a public transportation program for seniors yet forgot to mention how the state was going to pay and how much it would cost for the free rides seniors are currently receiving.

there hasn't been any new job growth in this state which he promised as well get rid of corruption in the statehouse (yeah right).

plus - he's the only governor i know who hasn't moved into the mansion downstate ...yet.





pahunkboy -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 11:58:10 AM)

I take Tonyas word for it then.   I know that she is tuned into the low down.

be that as it may,   the idea is suspending IL businesss with Bank of America is a good idea.
The purpose of the bail out was to have prevented this republic windows from shutting down due to credit freeze up.

It IS the states business since companies are asking PA for a bail out.  (2 OF THEM)

...in terms of conspiracy;  there is no business as usual per these bail outs.  This is the death of capitalism.  The markets are the final arbiter as to what has value.  Stack it any way you want, but actions by our "best and brightest" our "we are the best in the world", "the we are the richest country in the world"; have by my outlook,  FAILED.

Just because it looks like all is well does not account for what is coming thru the pipeline.

The monetary system is disintegrating.
It is over.  Period.   We squandered the blessings we have,  we mismanaged it all like a drunken fool. We are so going to pay.   There is nothing humble about our culture. We are not exempt from the laws of the universe. 

Our arrogance is astounding!

This is more potent then the war, the assassinations, the 9-11, the bird flu,  everything is shifting into a different mode.

We were dumb enough to allow us to be put into this position.  

from here it will go 1 of 2 ways.

1.  control by a few men... hence enslavement of the world.

2. we follow the constitution is regard to money.  We back it, we manage it with NO MIDDLEMAN.   Short of that,it IS the one world government.


.....but there are those who claim that there is nothing to worry about.  

a people are to be governed by consent.   If you think it is bad now, then look out for what comes later, once the 13 federal reserve families, own every piece of you.   Including your food, water and DNA.  

If the 13 fed reserve families complete this take over- then nuclear war is likely.






sambamanslilgirl -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 12:02:35 PM)

yes suspending business with Bank of America is a good thing however that will not outweigh the other stuff this governor has done. 

he was elected as a reformer to clean up corruption not continue "business as usual" in Springfield.




Kalista07 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 12:11:31 PM)

i can not tell You all how freaking excited i am that this 'man' was taken into custody!!!!![sm=alien.gif][sm=alien.gif][sm=alien.gif]

i work in an agency where He is responsible for laying off 32 employees.....

Bastard.

Kali




blacksword404 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 4:08:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/illinois-governer-suspend_n_149272.html

You have to see this.  as you know a sit in is going on, some factory in Chicago. the company cant pay the workers, as they say bank of america is blocking their credit.

so the state of IL has suspended any business with B or A, !!!!   he even cites the bail out!    talk about bold!

there is one governor whom today is doing his job!!!!!


The timing of this is suspicious but i had no doubt he would eventually end up in jail.




futuremilf23 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/9/2008 11:03:04 PM)

Raise your hand if you're ashamed to live in Illinois as of late!

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housesub4you -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 4:38:01 AM)

No I'm ashamed I voted for him, Illinois did nothing wrong, our Governor did.  Now lets impeach his ass and get him out of power




pahunkboy -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 6:16:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/08/illinois-governer-suspend_n_149272.html

You have to see this.  as you know a sit in is going on, some factory in Chicago. the company cant pay the workers, as they say bank of america is blocking their credit.

so the state of IL has suspended any business with B or A, !!!!   he even cites the bail out!    talk about bold!

there is one governor whom today is doing his job!!!!!


The timing of this is suspicious but i had no doubt he would eventually end up in jail.



Thank you.   His ploy worked.   The workers have been paid I heard.  The bank had too.   As this would have gotten too big.  others would have pulled the same stunt. 

As to bribes...  that is a reality of Chicago politics.   It has occurred way back.  There is always a grand jury on someone.  

Washington cant be any cleaner.    I doubt it.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 6:21:46 AM)

oh he's going to club fed - there's too much evidence (and not just what was said on the tapes) piled against him.

i agree - impeach his ass and hold an election to fill Obama's Senate seat.




pahunkboy -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 7:07:13 AM)

..  nasty rumour just now.   Obama to be arrested after inaguration per this scandal.    I dont know how credable it is.
IL has many tho that were busted.   I cant think of anyone who is clean.   I was mad when IL raised the sales tax to pay for a ball park.   what a scam.   that was 21 years ago. 




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 7:22:59 AM)

IL had 2 ex-governors who served federal time ...currently 1 (Ryan) is asking dubya for a pardon while he serves ...adding one more to the stats isn't going to make much difference here.

however this scandal has Lt governor calling for his immediate resignation - actually most in Springfield are calling for it. yet, he's refuses as the media circus continues here.




celticlord2112 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 7:34:22 AM)

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Obama to be arrested after inaguration per this scandal.

I doubt it will happen.  America couldn't be that lucky.




BlackPhx -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 8:21:13 AM)

OK..I am now looking for the little microscopic Twilight zone sign I apparently tripped over without noticing.

On one hand we have states who rely on Bank Floats to cover payroll and services pending  Tax revenues and more than one of them are begging for Federal bailouts as well. They are laying off people right and left at the Government level and cutting services. BoA is one of those Lenders, keeping states functioning. There are only a few that can lend at that level.

On another hand we have I don't know how many people in this country yelling that the Banks need to be more responsible about who they lend money to. Write a  bad Mortgage, write a bad business loan or line of credit, same thing, money vanished and the banks don't need window frames or any other physical inventory,  any more than they need more housing inventory. Either is going to be sold at a loss and frankly is bad business.

We advise people to bank at least 6 months salary in case of disaster (few can afford to but many have 401k's). Some can afford to some are hand to mouth, but why don't we require companies to keep at least  3 months ahead of needed capital for the same purpose? I went to work for a small company way back when. When I joined them as an Office Manager/FC Bookkeeper they were barely making payroll. They had, had a fire and lost many of their receivable records to water damage and of course had not computerized. I got them up to date with a computer system, and then started working my way through their receivables, teasing and peeling them apart, tracking P.O.'s and entering them into the computer and going after the accounts who owed Money. One of the largest was DuPont. By the time 6 months had passed, they were back in the black and had 6 months of expenses banked and growing. Lines of credit a good and your vendors will extend them as long as you have a good track record..having cash is better. Many retail businesses are working with Private Lenders and doing the 3 months same as cash, etc. with their customers. They get their money up front and have operating capital letting them stay solvent when sales are high and staying low on their own lines of credit. These days that is harder to do, with consumers hanging onto every dime possible, but it is possible.

We don't know what the finances of that company was, how long they had been teetering, what they did to forestall what happened. We only know what the media and the Governor had released. How much they already owed creditors, and BoA is an unknown. But, hopefully, BoA has not been coerced into throwing good money after bad, because frankly, people will castigate them for doing that as well. The people have been paid..not by the company but by us. Our Tax dollars have bailed out these employees, but what about the next group and the next while companies that have been mismanaged, or who have over extended themselves and are facing bankruptcy increase their debt and walk away from it, leaving their Creditors to try and recover from asset sales and pennies on the dollars of what they are owed, putting them at risk as well.

It's not a pretty picture and is not likely to get any better. I am just waiting to see what happens when BoA or another bank is called on the Mat for extending credit to a bankrupt company without any guarantee of getting back our tax dollars for doing so.

poenkitten (watching from the Twilight Zone)




housesub4you -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 8:24:35 AM)

I would just be happy if they start impeaching our GOV soon, there is a whole set of people in the GOV office that need to be removed. 

This GOV is very distant from people in this state that are not corrupt.  Sorry CL, but Obama has never played with our GOV on any level, as most people in this state he could see how corrupt he was and staqyed away.

I know the GOV was good freinds with our Mayor, can't wait till they connect those dots (he is GOP, not that it matters) everyone in town knows he's corrupt and can't wait till the next election to vote him out.




celticlord2112 -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 8:28:22 AM)

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Sorry CL, but Obama has never played with our GOV on any level

Dear Leader was a top strategist on Blagojevich's 2002 gubenatorial campaign.

You can thank Dear Leader's chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel for that little bit of "mud".




pahunkboy -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 12:25:50 PM)

Kitten:

a human is innocent until proven guilty.  

a corporation, in this case, a bank has no such rights.   Not under the constitution.   I doubt the feeling of a robot, a computer, a phone menu, a cash ATM, and anything that does not breath and bleed,  Ild say that the human stumps the non human every time.

there-in lies the problem.   if an entity can not go to jail, or get the death penalty; then no expectation of rights should ensue.

as we evolve there is less and less of a chance that any human, anywhere, caused a problem that could be pointed to that person.

we should never confuse an inoptement/fake/legal entity object with the human itself.  when such does have "rights" by custom, it places the humans into a lesser position in the social order.




Raechard -> RE: IL governor vs Bank of America! must see (12/10/2008 12:27:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
a human is innocent until proven guilty.  

Only in the eyes of the law.
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a corporation, in this case, a bank has no such rights.   Not under the constitution.   I doubt the feeling of a robot, a computer, a phone menu, a cash ATM, and anything that does not breath and bleed,  Ild say that the human stumps the non human every time.

We can't charge a computer only a computer user, I see your point.
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there-in lies the problem.   if an entity can not go to jail, or get the death penalty; then no expectation of rights should ensue.

Right this line I have a problem with: I don't understand it.
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as we evolve there is less and less of a chance that any human, anywhere, caused a problem that could be pointed to that person.

Sickening the blame culture we live in today where someone must be blamed for everything in order for a victim of circumstances to feel justice.
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we should never confuse an inoptement/fake/legal entity object with the human itself.  when such does have "rights" by custom, it places the humans into a lesser position in the social order.

We can go for the humans behind the entity. In the wizard of oz the wizard was just a man at the end of the day, a man will be benefiting from the incompetence of an organisation as a whole.




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