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Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 6:32:13 PM   
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On Monday the 24th November the chancellor of the exchequer indicated in his 2009 pre-budget report that the level of duty applied to beer / cider would be increased with effect from Monday 1st December.
VAT comes down, banks are encouraged to do better by their customers, all good!! Yet landlords and landladies get screwed over yet again as beer prices rise.
On average we make 33p on a pint of lager, thats £53 approx a barrel. The company i work for needs to therefore sell 6 barrels of beer a week to make my wages alone. Never mind the astronomical business taxes, rent, gas, electric etc etc that they have to find the money for.
Along with the smoking ban, plans to banish happy hour and drinks promotions, well it might just finish the pub trade off if we have to stand much more.
Before anyone says that shops and supermarkets face the increas too they can afford to loss lead still, pubs can't.
I am so pissed off right now

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 6:49:24 PM   
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People will be going out less in the current economic climate also and going to the supermarket for their cheap alcohol. I see more people drinking cans of Stella on trains of late, the train seems to be the new pub I thought they were supposed to be banning that, they have on the underground at least.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 7:06:42 PM   
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Perhaps you can persuade the government to enact Prohibition.

It did wonders for drinking establishments over here back in the '20s (my grandfather worked in one of Al Capone's speakeasies).


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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 8:54:33 PM   
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If in our next General Election a supermarket chain like Tesco's entered as a political party I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if they won either.

I've personally witnessed the Tesco Effect in the south of Poland, where you can tell what items of clothing are on promotion because everybody's wearing them and walking round like clones.

Make as much money as you can, pay as little as possible, and before you know it you will be working, shopping, boozing, fucking and not much else.

And you'll be so busy you won't really notice that the milkman doesn't come any more, that the pub closed down not long before the post office, and not until your life changes.

Because there will be no more work. You will have been replaced by a Moldavian electrician who came over with half his village and lives with half his street in a room no bigger than your bathroom and who is prepared to work for half your wages.

And so you look for work and you get yourself down to the Job Centre, but the only real vacancy you can find, in among the hundreds of different employment agencies who want your CV, resume, CRB check, passport, two forms of ID and proof of your last change of underwear is a trainee shit shoveller at a large sewage treatment works near Scunthorpe. You want to apply but you don't have a shovel.

And so you make a claim for Employment Support Allowance, and you walk two miles to the office (much further than you thought it was) and you wait in line to see a security guard at reception who gives you a form and tells you to go and first make a telephone call at the Benefit Processing Centre. And you turn and see the three phones attached to the wall, in use by three other people and a queue of another twenty people waiting. And so you go back to the security guard.

He asks you to wait in line, and you wait another half an hour to get back to the reception desk, and he asks you if you have made the call, and you tell him that you haven't. He asks you why and you point to the crowd of people, now around thirty, waiting by the three telephones. He writes down a freephone number on a scrap of paper and tells you that you can make the call from home.

And so you rush home, and you make the call, the call is answered by an automated message which lists options, and you choose the option for fresh claims, then another option for the benefit you think you are entitled to, and then another automated voice asks you to wait for a Customer Services Adviser..

Three days later and twenty attempts later you get to speak to an Adviser, who asks you questions to fill out a form over the phone, previous employment, are you in receipt of benefit, do you have a bank account, why did your last employment end, do you have a house, are you married, single, divorced, do you have children, how many rooms in your house, how many bathrooms, which room are you standing in whilst you are on the phone, do you have savings, shares, PEPs, equity, gold, official state secrets, and about fifty other meaningless questions. You are asked for bank details. You feel like you would win the next edition of Mastermind.

You wait for the form to come through the post to sign and send back, but meanwhile you are requested to attend a Work Focussed Interview at your local Job Centre, taking with you details of your last employment, your P45, your passport, two utility bills, your tenancy agreement or home ownership paperwork, the contents of your dustbin and a change of underwear.

You turn up for your Work Focussed Interview at the Job Centre, queuing to meet the same security guard who sends you to a room where you wait with twenty other people ten of whom have the same appointment time as you. And so you wait an hour or so and you are called over to a desk. You think this is the interview. No it isn't. You are given more forms to fill out, your availability for work, details of your skills and employment history, and a 'stencil form' to check that you have residency and citizenship.

You fill out the forms and eventually, another hour or so later, are called for your interview. A civil servant asks you questions while typing on a keyboard and looking at a screen. You are asked about your work, what work you are looking for, how little are you prepared to accept as a wage, and how much you are prepared to be exploited and shat on by a prospective employer or employment agency.

You are then asked if you are working. You tell them no, and you are asked if you are available for work. You tell them yes. They ask you to sign a form mounted on a cardboard rectangle which constitutes your file, they write out a signing on booklet, give you a desk a day and a time by which you are to sign on, pointing out that to be entitled for benefit you must be available and actively seeking work, you must apply for as many jobs as possible, including the shitty jobs they have at the Job Centre, you must keep evidence of your job search, you must look at local newspapers, you must visit the Job Centre regularly, and you must get down on your knees and grovel and pay homeage to the Great Leader Chairman Broon for giving you the chance of receiving government money.

'By the way I have a vacancy here you may be interested in,' the civil servant announces, 'Trainee shit shoveller at a sewage treatment works near Scunthorpe. It pays minimum wage. Do you have your own shovel?'

You wait weeks for your first payment.. so happy that you will again be able to continue your lifestyle of shopping, boozing, fucking at the government's expense. You even have your eye on a woolly hat at Primark on special offer so you can at last walk the streets proudly as a chav.

You get a call from the benefits people. They have processed your claim but they need to send you a Giro, and they want the details of your nearest Post Office. So you give them the address, and they tell you that that particular Post Office has been closed down. So you think of the next Post Office, and again they tell you that that Post Office has been closed down. This happens until you wonder whether there is such a thing as a Post Office. The official finds you your nearest Post Office, five miles away in the middle of a rough council estate. Then the official asks you for the post code of that post office she has suggested for you from her list. You don't know it. She regrets to inform you that this may cause a further delay in your claim being processed.

A month later, when you have signed on twice, and have been offered the job as a trainee shit shoveller twice and asked if you have a shovel, a brown envelope appears. Overjoyed at last that you have money, you tear open the envelope expecting to receive a Giro. Instead you receive a letter which is titled, 'About Your Claim' and which details how much money the government has decided you will receive. No Giro.

You are now desperate. In fact, you are so desperate that on the way to the benefit office you go by way of your nearest Argos store to check out the price of the cheapest shovel and if it gets you a Giro, you will apply for that vacancy as a trainee shit shoveller in Scunthorpe.

You wait in a queue at the same Job Centre to see the same security guard who suggests you make contact with the Benefits Office. He points to the three phones on the wall and tells you to press Button C. And so you wait, and you wait, and you wait, and you get to use the phone having waited all day, and you get through, you get the automated messages, and you get through the automated messages to received another automated message.. 'Welcome to Job Centre Plus. We regret that then offices are now closed...'

You go back the next day, to the same Job Centre, determined that the first thing you will buy when you do get your Giro will be a shovel, but you are not sure whether it will be for shovelling shit or for hitting staff at your local Job Centre, or both. You pass the time on your long walk to the Job Centre by thinking up as many uses as you can for a shovel. But this time it is easier. Much easier. You get through the queue, speak to the same security guard, who informs you that the offices are closed due to industrial action.

You wake up the next morning and find that there's another brown envelope. You tear it open frantically.. out pops a green rectangular shape of... a Giro. You are excited. You get your documents and head out for the post office on the rough council estate five miles away. You figure that you will make it by five thirty easily. You get to the post office to find it is shut. You go ballistic, you smash the door with your fists. A passer by comes over and asks you what's wrong. You show them the Giro and explain, and they point out to you that on Saturdays the post office closes at twelve thirty.

You go back on Monday, you cash your Giro, and you realise that by the time you pay your bills you have enough for a couple of 2 litre bottles of White Ace Stomach Stripper Cider on special offer at 99p at Lidl and a couple of packets of Rizla cigarette papers.

This affects your lifestyle dramatically, so that you are boozing part time, poncing cigarettes and masturbating .. oh and walking to and from the Job Centre..

Try to imagine yourself in the above scenario. What will you do then? Vote for the Tories?


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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 9:18:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raechard

People will be going out less in the current economic climate also and going to the supermarket for their cheap alcohol. I see more people drinking cans of Stella on trains of late, the train seems to be the new pub I thought they were supposed to be banning that, they have on the underground at least.



I can't really speak for the UK - But I spent over ten years in the business here in the US, and I'd bet a nickel against a donut that as the current economic situation continues to deteriorate, well-run bars, taverns, pubs, social clubs, etc, in the large metropolitan centers and larger suburbs will actually feel a decent boom.

On the other hand.....bars in small towns and rural area's for the most part, will continue to disappear or maintain a lowly existence as revenue traps for city and county governments.












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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 9:30:03 PM   
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Sorry to hear of this, miss t.  Is there anything extra in the way of goods or services that you could use to bring more profit into your pub?  Maybe some live music or gambling or karaoke? 

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 9:44:20 PM   
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mist, I am so sorry to hear what is happening to the small
neighborhood pubs in the UK.
I am thinking you must be organized, why not gather together
in large numbers and protest what is going on?
Maybe get the news and media involved.

I would HATE to hear about more of the small English pubs
closing down, that have been in exsistence for hundreds of years!
Something must be done to help you all stay in business.
 
Wonderful post stella!!
Bravo!
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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 10:06:02 PM   
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It's like that trying to get served in MissT's pub too Stella.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/6/2008 11:53:43 PM   
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What a brilliant "slice of life", Stella. Now I'm ready to call the suicide hotline and I don't even live in the UK.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 5:35:18 AM   
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the solution is quite simple.

MOONSHINE!

Gram made it in the depression.  It isnt really hard to make.   If all the bars started doing it, there isnt enough law to get em all.

Why oh why, do people get upset when they are swindled out of their money?     hiCUP.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 5:54:16 AM   
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One could bring in live entertainment, karaoke and all that - as long as one has the time to wait and money to pay for the additional permits for such things, and the space required in the premises and the health, safety and fire regulations are all met. No idea what the costs would be, but I reckon one would have to budget five grand minimum (adding to one's losses - assuming the brewery allowed the landlady to apply for such at all) for everything thats required for officialdom, especially since a solicitor would likely be needed for the appeal process - more revenue for the local authority in turning down applications and getting fresh fees for re-examination of the matter.

One could join with others in mounting a public protest - but it would be ignored, and does one really have the time and money to spend on protests and campaigns when one is losing money? Sadly the British public in general have been shown by way of such government responses as displayed in the miners' strike and the Iraq protests that its all in vain; apathy and submission are the order of the day here. Compare this to France who whilst they make a right pain in the arse of themselves when they protest, they do it with some vigour that has been beaten from the people here.

If it makes you feel any better MisT, the government also raised fuel duty in those marvellous new measures last month; presumably the idea is to drive hauliers out of business altogether too, along with warehousing companies who are paying full whack rates on empty buildings - so preventing any development of new facilities and the destruction of older facilities that are unused through the depression and so wont be available if and when there's a recovery.

I tell you now; if it werent for my kids being in school here, I'd emigrate tomorrow. Slovenia sounds better by the day.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 7:02:45 AM   
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One could bring in live entertainment, karaoke and all that - as long as one has the time to wait and money to pay for the additional permits for such things, and the space required in the premises and the health, safety and fire regulations are all met. No idea what the costs would be, but I reckon one would have to budget five grand minimum (adding to one's losses - assuming the brewery allowed the landlady to apply for such at all) for everything thats required for officialdom, especially since a solicitor would likely be needed for the appeal process - more revenue for the local authority in turning down applications and getting fresh fees for re-examination of the matter.

One could join with others in mounting a public protest - but it would be ignored, and does one really have the time and money to spend on protests and campaigns when one is losing money? Sadly the British public in general have been shown by way of such government responses as displayed in the miners' strike and the Iraq protests that its all in vain; apathy and submission are the order of the day here. Compare this to France who whilst they make a right pain in the arse of themselves when they protest, they do it with some vigour that has been beaten from the people here.

If it makes you feel any better MisT, the government also raised fuel duty in those marvellous new measures last month; presumably the idea is to drive hauliers out of business altogether too, along with warehousing companies who are paying full whack rates on empty buildings - so preventing any development of new facilities and the destruction of older facilities that are unused through the depression and so wont be available if and when there's a recovery.

I tell you now; if it werent for my kids being in school here, I'd emigrate tomorrow. Slovenia sounds better by the day.

E


Excellent post LadyE.
Protesting often is the only way the people are able to be "heard".
I am glad you pointed out the difference between how the French protest and
how the British protest.
I tell you what, if things get bad enough the British will get a clue by 4.
Look at the USA, Lady E.
Look at the "American Civil Rights Movement" from 1955-1968.
Many, many, White and Black people fought hard and many gave up their lives protesting widespread racial discrimination and because of the Civil Rights Movement, many real changes were made.
Of course, the Civil Rights Movement did not solve everything, but it put many issues
in the spotlight {around the world}, and changes were made.


The "people" can always make their voices heard, the question is how bad do they
want to be heard, and what are they willing to sacrifice in order to be heard?


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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 8:28:55 AM   
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ahhhhhh freedom and liberty, such prized and apparently outdated concepts.


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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 9:11:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

The "people" can always make their voices heard, the question is how bad do they
want to be heard, and what are they willing to sacrifice in order to be heard?



Exactly MzMia.

I've been back in this country 3 years now and it isn't the same and I still feel like a foreigner. Yes I am still trying to assimilate into my own country three years on.

I tell people that our current situation is just like it was in Eastern Europe in the 1970's, and people just laugh at me.

But you know it's funny, you've got people bitching about the government, formed of the Labour Party or New Labour which took power in 1997, and how many General Elections have there been since then? But I still say that this country is being run by people like Rupert Murdoch and it's got to the stage where characters like Great Leader Chairman Broon and Tony 'Cheshire Cat' Blair are put there for entertainment value. This is the essential British democracy, you go and vote for who the media tell you to vote for.

It's like there's a house on the edge of a village, a few miles from the next village and in that house live a large family. Some in the family are no longer working but some are, but there's not enough money coming in to cover the outgoings. All the essential items of the house have been sold off, and the family have taken in lodgers from the nearby village to help with the upkeep of the house.

Only there's still not enough money coming in to cover the outgoings of everyone in the household, because the bills have gone up and prices have risen, but the family still want to live in the same manner to which they have been accustomed. Everybody is pissed at each other, nobody is talking with each other, and among the lodgers there's a sort of uncomfortable silence. They know something is wrong, but there's not much they can do about it andf they don't want to cause any trouble. Meanwhile some of the family members are looking at grandmother's jewellery and valuables, and thinking about taking some stuff down to the pawn shop. Others have been dipping into her biscuit tin of wads of banknotes for ages hoping that they won't get found out.

Well the village is of course Europe, that house is the UK and the next village is the States. The lodgers are of course migrant workers and asylum seekers and the family are of course the Brits.

And sooner or later someone somewhere is going to say something and all hell will break loose.


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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 12:40:22 PM   
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Lady E.,

you pose a cogent mode of protest and the power of the people - visa-vi 2008.
WHAT the heck HAPPENED??

Lets hear some ideas for effective change?    Lets brain storm.

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 12:43:04 PM   
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Stella, your post was so accurate, I felt guilty I laughed so much...

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 12:43:21 PM   
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Shit, I thought this thread was about pubes and screwing. 

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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 2:07:12 PM   
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RE: Pubs get screwed over yet again. - 12/7/2008 4:04:47 PM   
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Well, I'm a man of simple tastes. Sluuurp...


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