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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 2:43:26 PM

Aszhrae

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ShiftedJewel, given girl's skills thanks to current master and laboring for him, girl learned how to build and repair houses. It would be girl that would make sure that anything within my skills that is broken be fixed or replaced. Difficult to serve a mistress if she does not have a place where girl is there to serve her.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 2:44:48 PM

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I would LOVE to be "kept." However, I wouldn't give up my job for anyone unless we were married. If not working isn't an option, you're damn right I'm not putting in 40 hours a week to bring home a paycheck AND doing all the cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping, and child care while he sits on his ass watching TV. If I'm to stay at home, he has every right to expect to come home to a clean house and food on the table, not find me lazing on the sofa eating bon-bons. Not working doesn't equal doing nothing.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 2:46:53 PM

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*nod* Yes, Aszhrae, that's part of it.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 5:30:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: utopicus

This could probably work fine for 24/7 slaves and their dominants. Total dependence has the potential of inducing a state of ownership, wherein own personality is written off; as such, a slave is not a person any more, but an object, an asset.
It wouldn't work for me, to be sure.

There are actually some of us, in such a situation who have MORE than enough personality for most people...

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 5:39:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

ShiftedJewel, given girl's skills thanks to current master and laboring for him, girl learned how to build and repair houses. It would be girl that would make sure that anything within my skills that is broken be fixed or replaced. Difficult to serve a mistress if she does not have a place where girl is there to serve her.

I'm sorry, I really don't know what you are saying here?

Jewel

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 5:44:09 PM

theobserver

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ORIGINAL: OneClick

Im new to this whole D/s world, but after reading some other profiles this morning, here is something I do not get.

I must have come across at least a dozen subs who said they will not, refuse, and wont even consider working when in a relationship. With the way the economy is in the toilet, why wouldnt someone want to have some sort of employment so if things dont work out they can go on their own? I am not talking with those who have a disability that prevents them from working, just folks wanting total dependence on someone. One profile even came right out and said I do not work, I can move at a moments notice if necessary and they see no reason to work especially if they are to provide a high level of submission.

Ok great, so you might find that one person who has the means and willing to provide you with food, clothing, shelter but I bet the majority of people on here are, and pardon the comment ahead of time - average joes, who go to work, have house, car, and other bills each month. Some may be struggling as it is to make it.

I just dont get it. Ok, Im off my soapbox now. Thanks for listening.

I think this is an excellent observation. It goes back to another recent thread about people wanting to be saved.

I think there's a misconception with some folks that submission is like a daddy Dom/mommy Domme situation. That the Dominant will take care of the submissives financial and material wants/needs in addition to everything else.

I think some are looking at it from a Hollywood perspective and not a reality perspective. Every Dom/Domme does not come with a sprawling estate and six figure bank account.

This is just my perspective it's not an absolute.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 5:53:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

ShiftedJewel, given girl's skills thanks to current master and laboring for him, girl learned how to build and repair houses. It would be girl that would make sure that anything within my skills that is broken be fixed or replaced. Difficult to serve a mistress if she does not have a place where girl is there to serve her.

I'm sorry, I really don't know what you are saying here?

Jewel

What girl is saying:
By the will of present mistress did girl labor for present master, while laboring all these years, girl learned some skills along the way, what was learned were the skills needed to repair and build a house. To whatever domme that girl serves, the skills learned over the years are much more than simply being a maid, toy or pet. If girl's mistress has something that needs to be repaired or replaced, girl is able to do so when it comes to mistress' home. If it is girl's desire that girl works, girl does so. As master has always stated to the boys he has had work for him in the past, 'As long as people still keep building houses, you will always have the means to earn an income.' That would of course benefit girl's mistress as well.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 6:02:36 PM

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Depending on a person's skills, the job market, etc, it often isn't really as financially astute to have two people working as one would think. Cost of a 2nd car, work wardrobe, lunches out, taxes, etc, can eat up that "second income" in no time. I used to work with a guy who took care of his wife and 3 ums on maybe $35,000-$40,000 a year. She did the um rearing, the shopping, cooking, cleaning etc and they had NO debt. It is quite possible inside or outside of a D/s dynamic.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 6:22:41 PM

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WEll for me I wouldn't ever get a job cause I am on SSI for mental emotionaly and pysichal problems, and if I started working SSI would cut me off, course you did say you're not wondering about subs on disability.

If I was a normal average person, and a submissive who really wanted to give the best of myself to their dom, I wouldn't want to work cause after a full day of working I'd be tired and there'd be less of myself to give to my Dom.

Plus an unemployed sub is completely free to be at the beck and call of their dom normally, and there's no outside issues like work to consider.

Daddy could say hey pack up we're going to Santarosa for a week, and all I had to do was say yes Daddy and start packing. Now if I worked, I may loose my job if I took off suddenly, or I may have to try to juggle a ton of things, or may just have to flat out tell him I can't work's not that flexible right now.

Work essentially becomes the Dom not Daddy, if he had to clear everything to work around my schedual.

quote:

ORIGINAL: OneClick

Im new to this whole D/s world, but after reading some other profiles this morning, here is something I do not get.

I must have come across at least a dozen subs who said they will not, refuse, and wont even consider working when in a relationship. With the way the economy is in the toilet, why wouldnt someone want to have some sort of employment so if things dont work out they can go on their own? I am not talking with those who have a disability that prevents them from working, just folks wanting total dependence on someone. One profile even came right out and said I do not work, I can move at a moments notice if necessary and they see no reason to work especially if they are to provide a high level of submission.

Ok great, so you might find that one person who has the means and willing to provide you with food, clothing, shelter but I bet the majority of people on here are, and pardon the comment ahead of time - average joes, who go to work, have house, car, and other bills each month. Some may be struggling as it is to make it.

I just dont get it. Ok, Im off my soapbox now. Thanks for listening.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 6:29:55 PM

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When i was married i gave up my career to be a homemaker.....i did everything to make my home and family happy and i found great satisfaction in doing it well. When i divorced i went back to my career again....and i'm lucky that i love what i do. It gives me an outlet to be artistic and creative....things that i need in my life. I'm sure i could find other avenues to meet those need.
I like the idea of contributing something to the relationship...so it really comes down to what my Dominant and i decided worked best for us.......

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RE: I dont get it - 12/6/2008 6:31:40 PM

sparkyRBF

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There is a big difference in people who want to be there, and people who have to be there.

When Master and i first met we were both working full time. After about 4 years we decided i would leave my job. I was bringing home 307.00 every two weeks. 180.00 went to daycare, 70 went for my car payment, and 50 went for my car insurance. So i quit working, sold my car, no more daycare. I was able to save money by making more meals at home, making lunch for him at home so he didn't eat out, hanging up clothes to dry dropped our gas bill. The garden helped suppliment our food and cut my grocery bill. And i worked harder AFTER i quit working for the state. LOL

but i understand what you mean about a person needing their own money, to be self sufficient. And Master and i discussed this as well. He is 14 years older than me and what if, God Forbid, something bad were to happen to him? For this reason i went to school and learned a trade so now i have the ability to go anywhere and earn a livable wage. I would think any reasonable, responsible Dominant would want those they care for to be able to take care of themselves if something bad were to happen.

I also wonder in your quest ion if you are wondering if they are subs starting off with the "will nots" demands. Personally i love the profiles were the sub says the Dom must have a job, be between this age and this age, be between this weight and this weight, nice to look at.. but the Dom must accept them for themselves.

Best of luck to you in your search and welcome to collarme!

sparkyRBF

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 10:30:49 AM

ShiftedJewel

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Thank you for clarifying... I have great difficulty understanding third person speak.

quote:

Really? If I wanted a guy like that I would just get a dog. My boyfriend/girlfriend better work if they want to eat. I guess if a guy can find someone willing to take him without him having to work then good for him. He won't get anywhere by messaging me however.

Well, for us it would be easier on us if he/she didn't work. Both twice and I are retired and my husband will be in a few months and we like to travel. But, as far as not working? Well, I never said they won't be working, just not outside the home. And we provide the pocket money as well as medical insurance and that sort of stuff.

Jewel

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 10:56:58 AM

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These sort of responses come from subs who have been in such situation before, where they work all day, and then do all the housework for two separate households. If you want a sub to come home every night and do four hours of work while you sit and watch tv, dream on. She needs down time too. Either share in all the work or hire a housekeeper. Do not expect someone to be happy to have sex with you after she's dropping from exhaustion because she gets up at six and runs straight through till midnight.

I agree.

Also, If I worked 40+ hrs a week, why would I or how would I even have time for a man? lol, with all the other things I would be doing? I couldn't do both. One would surely take prioritity and one would suffer. I don't mind spreading but not spreading myself too thin. lol. If I am working those many hours, I would be making more than the average man I know anyhoo. In that case, why would I bother having one around at all.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 1:14:06 PM

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Before current couple, serving first mistress, girl hardly worked, though most of what girl did do work wise was seasonal, a cook in winter and in light industrial shops during the summer months. It was always part time so more time was given to my mistress at that time.
Laboring for master is only the result of mistress telling me to.
Really all girl was doing was working for mistress, since mistress owns the company and master only manages it.
It would certainly be the same for the domme girl serves next.
Would it not be a valuable skill to have a girl that could refinish a domme's hardwood floors?

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 1:39:35 PM

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Oh you didn't offend anyone... Believe me, I've met a few that honestly thought that's what their life would be like. They tend to disappear when they realize that part of what they would have to be doing is out working me. And I hang drywall, do the mudding, painting, faux finishes.. a lot of detail work but lots of hard labor as well. Besides that, I'm admittedly high maint... and one of my favorite passtimes is watching people work.

Jewel

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 2:00:46 PM

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Let me put it this way. I support you and you get little of these things, as it is more expensive to have all things. Steak, outtings, kinky toys and on and on. I don't support you and you get all these things and more. You don't work outside the home, you work for me! That means no current pay and does not include benefits of the kind that most need later on in life or in crisis. Like insurance, life savings and social security benefits that would amount to more than poverty. I support you and I die first which most likely will happen and you could be homeless, pennyless and who would want you then?

That sounds appealing doesn't it? lol

Bring to me your skills and willingness... I bring the same. Together... we work and play and we don't do stupid in limiting all things by playing life in a way that really doesn't work unless someone is filthy rich. And then even if they are... who says you are getting any of it?

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 2:07:16 PM

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I think that the other side of this is when that same sub that wants to be a houseslave all the time, kept naked and in chains 24/7 are also the ones that jump into 'relationships' fast. They are the ones that want to move in the day after you meet. They are the ones who want to be kidnapped and taken away. (I promise I have had them ask!) Those subs sometimes are really not in touch with reality.

Now that is NOT to say that a true houseslave, one whose job it is to clean, walk the dog(s), run errands, etc do not have their place in the right dynamic. For us right now a live in would need to work at least part time. I am still recovering from an accident last year that basically tore my right arm apart. When I get a job again, or some other whim of fate provides some form of financial respite, we would reassess what needs to happen. I would NOT make the slave financially responsible for all of us. Thankfully princess has a great job and I sure the hell am beating the streets.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 2:17:27 PM

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quote:

Let me put it this way. I support you and you get little of these things, as it is more expensive to have all things. Steak, outtings, kinky toys and on and on. I don't support you and you get all these things and more. You don't work outside the home, you work for me! That means no current pay and does not include benefits of the kind that most need later on in life or in crisis. Like insurance, life savings and social security benefits that would amount to more than poverty. I support you and I die first which most likely will happen and you could be homeless, pennyless and who would want you then?

Covered. We provide medical and dental insurance, life insurance and our death benefits include them, my family is completely aware and we have one person that is the executor and she knows that should we go before our s-types that she is responsible for them... and she accepts that responsibility happily. So much so that she has made it a point to find out all of twice's favorite things, medical issues, family ties and all of that sort because... as she puts it... someday twice will belong to her.

No, we are not living in a fantasy. We're all getting older and health issues tend to really bring home the need for coverage, not just for us, but for all we are responsible for. As well as what's gonna happen later in life. We're very realistic.

Jewel

PS... Scooter would never go without his steak!! And he loves showing off the incredible meat we get here in town!!

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 2:21:53 PM

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Funny about that, I thought I could never be a slave, because I would never want to quit working for a master. It seemed to me that most of the masters' profiles I looked at, didn't want their slave to work outside the home. Luckily for me, I found a master that does not want me to quit working.

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RE: I dont get it - 12/7/2008 2:41:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

quote:

Let me put it this way. I support you and you get little of these things, as it is more expensive to have all things. Steak, outtings, kinky toys and on and on. I don't support you and you get all these things and more. You don't work outside the home, you work for me! That means no current pay and does not include benefits of the kind that most need later on in life or in crisis. Like insurance, life savings and social security benefits that would amount to more than poverty. I support you and I die first which most likely will happen and you could be homeless, pennyless and who would want you then?

Covered. We provide medical and dental insurance, life insurance and our death benefits include them, my family is completely aware and we have one person that is the executor and she knows that should we go before our s-types that she is responsible for them... and she accepts that responsibility happily. So much so that she has made it a point to find out all of twice's favorite things, medical issues, family ties and all of that sort because... as she puts it... someday twice will belong to her.

No, we are not living in a fantasy. We're all getting older and health issues tend to really bring home the need for coverage, not just for us, but for all we are responsible for. As well as what's gonna happen later in life. We're very realistic.

Jewel

PS... Scooter would never go without his steak!! And he loves showing off the incredible meat we get here in town!!

Now THAT is the way to do it! lol I could only wish! Man.. it does sound nice! (immature domme stomp!) I want poly... I want it all damn it! hehe

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