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LadyEllen -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 7:54:04 AM)

From USA Today

Simpson and Stewart each face sentences of 15 years to life in prison on each of the two kidnapping convictions and a mandatory consecutive sentence of at least a year for the use of a deadly weapon. Galanter said Simpson faces "anywhere from a minimum six years to life" behind bars, based on Nevada sentencing guidelines.

Seems the sentence is about right and tending towards the lenient.

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winterlight -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:14:35 AM)

I am now reading that Simpson and Stewart both had to accept a plea deal or no deal. i don't think the Goldman's should have been there but that is my own humble opinion. They were there because they wanted to see justice done in some capacity and probably gloat? They wanted to be there because they didn't get what they wanted in the first trial which was a Conviction.
Now He won't be able to find Nicole and Rons killer...I figured i would hear that from somebody on the boards.

Was it a lesser sentence only the Judge and Lawyers know.

Simpson will be placed probably in a safe area where nobody can get at him for his protection i would gather.

I feel bad for the kids because now they have lost both parentes. True, he is still alive..

It will be interesting to see what happens next. His sister reportedly said, "This isn't over yet." If that is true i wonder what she meant..





slvemike4u -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:23:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I wonders about all this, I do not know your justice system, but OJ being a public figure and all, is it likely he got panned big time because he is a public figure ? What would a non public figure get in a similar position ?

I can't help but feel there is a lot of his last trial in this, he got away whether he was guilty or not, but that is not his fault, but the fault of the prosecution, if he did the murders, the prosecution failed, he was found innocent. Innocent in a court of law, as to what everyone else thinks, is immaterial, the justice system you all believe in found OJ innocent, but thirteen years ago, that was a different trial for a differenet offence.

So this latest court appearance, trial and sentencing, I hear retribution, as if it was another go at  OJ, because the last trial was a failure in people's eyes, so in reality, was OJ in a sense being retried for the prosecution's failings thirteen years ago ?

Is this sentence typical  of any other, non public, non notorious defendant in a similar position ?

Anerin ,celebrity can be a double-edged sword when dealing with the criminal justice system in this country.With fame and the money that usually goes hand in hand one can avail one's self of high priced legal talent,as in the case of Simpson's previou trial in LA.Along with that fame though comes public scrutiny which will often lead prosecuters to go to extra legnths to avoid the appearence of special justice  for special people,as might have occured here in Vegas.High profile can mean a stiffer sentence if your high profile lawyer can't work the system and help you beat the rap so to speak.....Look at Robert Chambers  who's infamy kept him in jail longer and followed him out of the institution and right into some new charges he so justly deserved...Fame and money are sweet,but you just might want to avoid murder and kidnapping charges,it can sort of blow up in your face.




celticlord2112 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:31:10 AM)

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Did OJ ever find the "real killer?" I think he did. The very next morning, when he got up to shave and looked in the mirror.

Frankly, I rather doubt it.  The forensic evidence just doesn't hold together, and the prosecution's case was a joke.

Was OJ involved?  Quite possibly.  Does he know who did the deed?  I suspect he does.  Did he wield the knife himself?  I do not believe he did.  I do believe the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wielded the knife himself, and that, not his celebrity, is the reason he was found not guilty.

Consider, but for his celebrity the LAPD and District Attorney might not have been so quick to arrest and put him on trial.




rulemylife -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:36:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

Now He won't be able to find Nicole and Rons killer...



At least not on any golf course in the country.  He spent the last 13 years thoroughly searching those.




Evility -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:48:31 AM)

Simpson had the right not to commit a (second) crime. The Goldmans have the right to attend the judicial proceedings. I see no tainting happening here. The story I read was that Simpson received 33 years with 9 to serve before he's eligible for parole. Even his attorney said it was a fair sentence. Stupidity and arrogance is usually not a good combination and Simpson found that out. I hope the scumbag never walks again as a free man.




TribeTziyon -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:51:36 AM)

Lives ended and destroyed and for what?




rulemylife -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 8:55:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Consider, but for his celebrity the LAPD and District Attorney might not have been so quick to arrest and put him on trial.



Let's see, a divorced wife is murdered along with her young male "friend".  The ex-husband has a history of being short-tempered, there have been domestic violence charges against him, he has a shaky alibi, and there is physical evidence linking him to the crime.

Yeah, you're probably right, it was just his celebrity status.

Hey, want to go for a nice slow ride on the freeway in my Bronco?





celticlord2112 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 9:02:19 AM)

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Let's see, a divorced wife is murdered along with her young male "friend". The ex-husband has a history of being short-tempered, there have been domestic violence charges against him, he has a shaky alibi, and there is physical evidence linking him to the crime.

Yeah, you're probably right, it was just his celebrity status.

It was.  For an average shmoe they would have taken their time and built a proper case.  Instead, everyone were blinded by the camera lights and rushed the whole fiasco into the courtroom before the case was ready.

Celebrity or no, the prosecution's case was leakier than the Titanic post-collision.  For all the "mountain" of evidence, they didn't have a cogent theory of the crime to make that evidence hang together.  The jury realized that and did the right thing--they acquitted.




rulemylife -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 9:59:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

It was.  For an average shmoe they would have taken their time and built a proper case.  Instead, everyone were blinded by the camera lights and rushed the whole fiasco into the courtroom before the case was ready.

Celebrity or no, the prosecution's case was leakier than the Titanic post-collision.  For all the "mountain" of evidence, they didn't have a cogent theory of the crime to make that evidence hang together.  The jury realized that and did the right thing--they acquitted.



The average "schmoe" would be have been in jail for the last thirteen years. 

The only thing the jury realized was how to ignore, as you put it, the mountain of evidence because all they saw was the football rushing records, the comic movie roles, and the Hertz commercials.

He was just too "nice" a guy to have done what the prosecution claimed, so they were willing to buy into the ridiculous theories the defense offered in spite of hard evidence to the contrary.




celticlord2112 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 10:12:23 AM)

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The only thing the jury realized was how to ignore, as you put it, the mountain of evidence because all they saw was the football rushing records, the comic movie roles, and the Hertz commercials.

Bullshit, horseshit, legal shit, total shit.

I followed that trial fairly closely (it fascinated me and still does).  The forensic evidence did not match the prosecution's theory of the case.  Even where it could be made to fit, their presentation of the evidence was so amatuerish as to be negligent--the fiasco of the gloves was something any newly-minted member of the state bar should have seen coming.  The prosecution routinely ignored the first rule of trials--don't ask questions to which you don't already have the answers, and don't put witnesses on the stand about whom you don't know every blessed thing.

I don't doubt that OJ had a hand in his ex wife's death, and I don't deny the possibility that he may have even wielded the knife (although I am skeptical on that last point).  But no one can deny that the jury reached the proper verdict based on the evidences presented and the theory of the case the prosecution presumed to "prove" with that evidence.

The prosecutors in Nevada did what the prosecutors in LA failed to do--their jobs.




rulemylife -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 10:22:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2111

Bullshit, horseshit, legal shit, total shit.

I followed that trial fairly closely (it fascinated me and still does).  The forensic evidence did not match the prosecution's theory of the case.  Even where it could be made to fit, their presentation of the evidence was so amatuerish as to be negligent--the fiasco of the gloves was something any newly-minted member of the state bar should have seen coming.  The prosecution routinely ignored the first rule of trials--don't ask questions to which you don't already have the answers, and don't put witnesses on the stand about whom you don't know every blessed thing.



While I don't view Wikipedia as an authoritative source, they do provide a nice summarry here:

    Evidence
  • DNA showed that blood found at the scene of Brown's murder was likely O.J. Simpson's. The odds it could have come from anyone but Simpson were about one in 170 million.[14]
  • DNA analysis of blood found on a pair of Simpson's socks found in his bedroom identified it as Nicole Brown's.[7] The blood had DNA characteristics matched by approximately only one in 9.7 billion, with odds soaring to one out of 21 billion when compiling results of testing done at the two separate DNA laboratories.[14][7] Each sock had about 20 stains of blood.[7]
  • DNA analysis of the blood found in, on, and near Simpson's Bronco revealed traces of Simpson's, Brown's, and Goldman's blood.[15]
  • DNA analysis of bloody socks found in Simpson's bedroom proved this was Brown's blood. The blood made a similar pattern on both sides of the socks. Defense medical expert Dr. Henry Lee of the Connecticut State Police Forensic Science Laboratory testified that the only way such a pattern could appear was if Simpson had a "hole" in his ankle. Lee testified the collection procedure of the socks could have caused contamination.[16]
  • Simpson's hair was found on Goldman's shirt.[15]
  • Several coins were found along with fresh blood drops behind Nicole's condo, in the area where the cars were parked.
  • DNA analysis of blood on the left-hand glove, found outside Brown's home, was proven to be a mixture of Simpson's, Brown's, and Goldman's. Although the glove was soaked in blood, there were no blood drops leading up to, or away from the glove. No other blood was found in the area of the glove except on the glove.[15]
  • The gloves contained particles of Goldman's hair and a cap contained carpet fibers from Simpson's Bronco.[3] A knit cap at the crime scene contained hairs matching Simpson's.[3] Dark blue cotton fibers were found on Goldman, and the prosecution presented a witness who said Simpson wore a similarly-colored sweat suit that night.[3]
  • The left-hand glove found at Nicole Brown's home and the right-hand glove found at Simpson's home proved to be a match.[17]
  • The gloves were proven to be Simpson's size. Although Simpson testified under oath that he did not own a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves, several media pictures emerged showing Simpson wearing the exact gloves.




celticlord2112 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 10:26:40 AM)

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While I don't view Wikipedia as an authoritative source, they do provide a nice summarry here:

Never said there wasn't any evidence.  I said it didn't fit the prosecution's theory of the case.

Cochran said it best:  "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."  Such is the nature of "reasonable doubt."




bestbabync -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 11:34:29 AM)

physical evidence is the best evidence!  we all know that!  OJ did find the killer every time he looked in the mirror!

as for the Goldman's being present at sentencing, that is not out of the ordinary.  alot of victim families attend trials etc and it does not matter that the victim was not their loved one.  it is theraputic for surviving families to see justice done, even if it is not the exact justice they prayed for.   




JohnSteed1967 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 12:35:58 PM)

OJ didn't Freaking years. POS like him should be UNDER the damn jail




Lorr47 -> RE: OJ gets 15 years (12/6/2008 2:55:08 PM)

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He was just too "nice" a guy to have done what the prosecution claimed, so they were willing to buy into the ridiculous theories the defense offered in spite of hard evidence to the contrary.


I never thought of the '95 trial in terms of OJ being a nice guy.  However, I think you are right.  It explains a lot.  Thanks.




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