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LadyEllen -> time for the Euro (12/5/2008 4:08:18 AM)

It is now time to ditch all sentimental attachment to the past with regard to keeping Sterling. This morning the pound has already lost another cent against the Euro and this decline is expected to get worse when the ECB cuts interest rates later today.

We're now at one pound = one euro fourteen. Not so long ago we were at 1.40 back in the good old days, then it went to 1.30 and that was bad enough, then it went to 1.25 and then it dropped to 1.20. There is a very good prospect of 1.10 by Christmas and parity sometime in the early part of 2009.

That the same decline of 25% has been experienced against the dollar is why the matter is now so urgent. The UK is an importer nation, a consumer nation reliant on imports of everything including the basics of life such as energy and food. Our European imports are expressed in Euros, and much of the rest of our imports worldwide are expressed in USD. 

As Sterling falls in value, all these imports become more expensive - and where contracts are expressed in Sterling the importers are facing demands from overseas exporters to change them to one of those two other currencies - who after all wants to be paid with a currency worth less day by day? Whilst our few remaining exporters are doing well, their increased prosperity is a drop in the ocean next to the additional costs and losses being incurred on imports.

The problems on the international trade front with regard to our imports because of the decline of Sterling mean that goods in the shops will have to rise in price to offset the increased cost of them in whole or in part as imports - including food. Except that with the market as it is, retailers are having to offer huge discounts to try to stimulate sales - and that isnt working as things are. Retailers' margins are reducing, their general turnover is reducing - many will go bust, unloading more people into a reducing jobs market and adding to the burdens on the economy.

And if things continue as they are, there will come a day when no ships and no trucks and no freight planes will arrive any more. The disparities between Sterling and preferred currencies for international trade will mean that goods can no longer be sold here that are not produced here. Since we rely on imports to feed the nation, we will truly be in the mire. Given that much of our electricity supply is owned by foreign companies, uses imports of coal and gas and some of our power comes from France, we could see the UK disappear from night time satellite images.

And as this progresses, the value of Sterling will only fall further as confidence in our nation declines, adding to the problem.

We need the Euro now. Or we must resign ourselves to a lifestyle alike with Romania.

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RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 4:22:28 AM)

Blimey.  Eeyore has nothing on you.  Even Mandelson isn't clamouring to join the euro tomorrow.

Sterling was seriously over-valued and this will quell our addiction to imports as well as boosting our export trade.  We need control over our own interest rates to gain most from that.  Most saliently, while they'd love to have us in, our admission to the zone would wreck the standing rules on stability and growth - our borrowing is way to high when measured against GDP.

It's fascinating to see what happens next.  There was no euro during the last crisis so no one really knows what is going to happen to sterling because we previously had only the dollar to contend with.  Anyone who claims to know is bullshitting.




pahunkboy -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 4:23:52 AM)

Lady E,   IMO  any talk of setting public policy is, well that ship has sailed.

Everything is collapsing, it can not be stopped.   You may recall my obsession back when they did the Bear Stearns bail out.   Had we stopped then, per haps we could inflate out of it.

The enemy is the new world order, the military industrial complex, the globalists, the empire.   Call it what you like.

I seen that Oil may go down to 25$ a barrel.  This is by design.  This is happening per the elite wants to take down Suadi Arabia, and China.  BUT, it will take the middle class of the US down as well.  Those countries will not have the funds to buy US bonds.   Hint.

Here is my question:   how does the lone person stay ahead of the curve?????




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 4:50:18 AM)

PA - Oil at USD 25-00 a barrel does nothing for us though - translated into Sterling that price is rising every day.

RL - what export trade? we no longer have a manufacturing base equipped to produce for export to anything like the level required to offset the damage here, let alone to return to prosperity. we could rebuild that base of course to take advantage - but who is going to put the money in when the "financial services" sector is in such a mess? and on that note, we cant even take advantage of exporting those services because of the mess.

This is the day predicted in the 70s that the reliance on a service economy that has been in vogue the last 30 years has come. We are up a gumtree, with nowhere to go.

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colouredin -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 4:53:33 AM)

TBH I dont mind if we go to the euro, i dont see how it matters that much its just money, but it will take a while to get used to not seeing it as being play money though




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:05:30 AM)

I have 500 euros in my foreign currency stash here at home; sort of an insurance policy to have some hard currency available I'm thinking. And its a great investment too, worth GBP 360-00 when I put it away and now worth GBP 440-00; 22% growth in two years.

Wish I had 5 million

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kittinSol -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:05:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: colouredin
TBH I dont mind if we go to the euro, i dont see how it matters that much its just money, but it will take a while to get used to not seeing it as being play money though


You'll get used to it :-) .




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:07:02 AM)

On another note, does anyone know how I can get hold of some Zimbabwean bank notes? No one seems to have them here.

Something to put away and sell as collector's items for my great grandkids maybe
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pahunkboy -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:10:31 AM)

the thing is ALL CURRENCIES will devalue.   some slow some fast.   oops, those who have a balanced budget and no debt might survive.  this is the push for a cashless society.




RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:17:28 AM)

LE, We export billions worth of cars, aircraft - whole and engines, food, pharmaceutical goods to the US alone and typically maintain a trade surplus with the US.  If we were in the euro, we would be no more attractive than the other european countries.  We export billions worth of goods and services to asia, especially education - foreign students coming here and Asian versions of UK institutions there.  Not everything we export is loaded on a pallet at Harwich or Dover and I haven't yet touched on financial services. 

You write as though you're knowledgeable about these things but none of your analysis really bears closer inspection.  The UK is not about to decline to Romanian levels of trade.  Don't be offended again but that's just another ridiculous assertion and I wonder that you never run out of them.  Do you enjoy wallowing in misery?




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:20:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Even Mandelson isn't clamouring to join the euro tomorrow.



You believe a single word the guy says? Crikey, when even his colleagues dont?

A sneaky, lying, manipulative, corrupt snake like Mandelson shouldnt be trusted, ever. He's been forced out of government twice for his sneaky, lying, manipulative, corrupt ways - and its a travesty that he's back there now at all, let alone as a Lord.

Indeed, if his consummate skills as a sneaky, lying, manipulative, corrupt snake were not so required by the Brown government (that he despises) in their efforts at maintaining control of the party and headlines, he wouldnt be there at all.





LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:23:28 AM)

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=199

the government's own statistics tell a tale of their own RL

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RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:27:09 AM)

They do.  And a very different one to yours.  Have you actually had a decent look at them?




colouredin -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:28:57 AM)

Mind I wouldnt rely to heavily on trade with the US at the moment, everyone will become more insular with the recession




RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:29:46 AM)

quote:


British Exports to U.S.
Of the $53.4 billion in American imports from Britain in 2006, the following product categories had the highest values.
  1. Medicinal, dental & pharmaceutical preparations …US$8.2 billion (15.3% of Britain to U.S. exports, up 41.8% from 2005)
  2. New & used passenger cars … $5 billion (9.3%, down 12.5%)
  3. Other petroleum products … $3.6 billion (6.8%, up 22.7%)
  4. Crude oil … $2.9 billion (5.5%, down 37.2%)
  5. Civilian aircraft engines … $2.3 billion (4.4%, up 18%)
  6. Goods returned to U.S. then reimported … $2.1 billion (4%, down 0.9%)
  7. Collectibles (e.g. artwork, antiques, stamps) … $1.6 billion (2.9%, up 13.2%)
  8. Materials handling equipment … $1.24 billion (2.3%, up 36.1%)
  9. Precious metals other than gold … $1.237 billion (2.3%, up 36.1%)
  10. Alcoholic beverages other than wine … $1.2 billion (2.2%, up 11.8%)

Fastest-Growing British Exports to U.S.
Below are American imports from Britain in 2006 with the highest percentage sales increases from 2005.
  1. Non-monetary gold … US$37.3 million (up 4,073% from 2005)
  2. Civilian aircraft (complete) … $55.9 million (up 739%)
  3. Tin … $15.3 million (up 353%)
  4. Newsprint … $12.4 million (up 193%)
  5. Miscellaneous (e.g. hair, waste materials) … $38.7 million (up 130%)



http://international-trade-leaders.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_uk_exports_imports




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:38:24 AM)

The point is RL, we run a deficit with the world and have done for years; there is no getting around that.

And however competitive the value of Sterling makes our exports - our export markets are in recession.

Wanna hear what the EEF (manufacturer's organisation) has to say?

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RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:46:44 AM)

Short version: The UK is not going into the euro in the foreseeable future.  The advantages of controlling monetary policy are far too important.  When Barroso and Sarko arrive on Monday, it won't even be discussed. 




Phoenixpower -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:47:03 AM)

with being from a country (germany) who experienced the change from the currency from Deutsche Mark into Euro I can only laugh about the wish to implement the Euro. Today when I go home to germany I am ok with the prices as simply living expenses in UK are ridicioulusly high and so I am fine with the prices over there. But I still do remember and am aware about how much the prices increased when we got the Euro and changing sometimes the currency from Deutsche Mark into Euro it still shocks me at times how expensive it got. In germany I know plenty people who aren't happy that we got the euro, and whilst I was living in Ireland I heard the same song. I do agree that the currency exchange is ridicioulus since quite a while as I realised it when I went to greece in august with 2 service users, but that doesn't make me wish the euro to here as even england would follow the examples from the euro-countries and increase their prices even more. I prefer more the option back to the past currencies how it was before the bloody euro came.




RealityLicks -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:49:39 AM)

A very good point Phoenix, I wish you would post here more often.




LadyEllen -> RE: time for the Euro (12/5/2008 5:55:16 AM)

From this week's International Freighting Weekly magazine;

Mark Swift, spokesman for manufacturers' organisation EEF said "it doesnt matter how competitive the currency is if the markets you are selling into are flat on their backs. Our sector exports around 60-65% of its total output, so export markets are our lifeblood."

The UK treasury warned that export markets are forecast to grow by just 0.5% next year - a downward revision of almost 6% compared with forecasts made in the March 2008 budget. The pre-budget report said "the recent strong import demand is not expected to continue in 2009, while recession in the US is also likely to reduce demand for UK exports".

Meanwhile, the CYKH alliance of shipping lines is to reduce capacity on its Asia-Europe services by 30% over the winter to meet a slackening demand; a reduction of 16,000 containers. And Evergreen Line announced plans to merge Asia-Europe services with Asia-US services to account for a reduction in demand of 22,000 containers.

So there you have it.

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