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RainydayNE -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 8:47:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel While i think your idea is a good one, be careful your "gift" isn't some agenda you will be forcing on people. I have donated things in names of people in the past but i have done so to THEIR projects, charities etc, not my own. If you are planning on gifting these to people in their name, as i said, it would be more of a gift if it was to their projects and not your own ideas because of what you like or don't like or do such as being a veg. If someone is a veg, this would probabably be a great gift, but to someone who is not, you may actually insult them or make them feel bad when they sit down to Christmas dinner with meat etc. This should be thought of in the same way you by gifts --- its for others -- so you buy gifts in what they would like, enjoy etc, not what you want for Christmas etc. It would probably please the heck out of people if you donate to things THEY like donating to or believe in or help out or if you don't know, perhaps something in the local community where they live like schools where their kids go or a community center in their area or library etc. I would also think that if you feel your family doesn't need things but others do, i am confused why you would donate to an organization who doesn't help people since you admit people need things more than your family does. This gift seems more for you than it does for others who you are buying for in their names. For example, my favorite charity is St. Jude's Hospital, if someone was making a donation in my name to something it would mean the world to me if it was to this organization in ANY way, be it money, time volunteering, sending all the kids christmas cards or presents etc. Also Toys for Tots is a huge one for me at Christmas time -- going in and choosing toys you think kids would love would mean a lot to me if you were doing this in my name. Also, i am big at adopting families at Christmas and the Angel Trees. Doing this also would mean the world to me. Choosing to buy an animal for me so no one eats it or rescue an animal -- eh, its a nice thought but i don't believe as you do so the idea while nice would be more for you than it would for me as i am not really an animal person but more of a people person. Also, for those who have kids, a GREAT gift for many families would be to start a college fund or open a good interest bearing account for for their kids especially lil ones and that way you can put money in it every year. College costs as much as a good car every year, so this would also be something to consider for people. My parents started this for all the grand kids and i know there are actual college funds where you can only use it for college etc or they get it at a certain age if they don't and they are non-taxable if you use it for school or something like that and depending when you start it, believe me lol from what my neice's mom states it was a blessing to have when she went to school. If this makes sense, angel heifer.org isn't a pro-veg organization. whether the animals are eaten or they produce things that the people need, it doesnt really matter. she got animals that produce wool for people to make clothes, or honey that they CAN eat, or milk, or any number of things. the point of heifer.org is that having an animal can make a drastic improvement in the lives of people in some third world countries, not just because they can eat them, but because the animals can produce things they need for clothing, housing, things to sell, etc. it's not about pushing a vegetarian agenda on anyone. i imagine she knows the people in HER life, and they'll probably think it's a good idea, if they like the idea of helping people on the other side of the globe. not every vegetarian is pushing some "agenda." =p

barelynangel -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 9:00:58 AM)
OMG, it was JUST a suggestion and one OTHERS also pointed out to her, and HER post came across to me that what she was doing was more what SHE wanted to contribute too than perhaps what her family and friends may contribute to. THAT was the point of my post. To me, if she is doing it for her own benefit and wants and desires she should simply contribute in HER name, because to me, the concept of giving is a very personal one and MANY people have their own pet projects that they would find more endearing to have someone contribute to, instead of their own projects in the name of others. Like i said the idea is great but if she is doing things in other people's names as a charity type concept as a GIFT TO THEM, then to me, it would probably mean MORE to the people she is putting in their names if it was something special to them. Just like when someone says in lieu of flowers, they usually ask for something to go to a charity or something special to the person that you are putting it in their name. Otherwise to me, she may as well simply put it in her own name because that's what the concept is IF someone doesn't know the charity or project or isn't that oriented to that type of project its simply a nice thought, which is fine, but as i said, to me, if someone wants to use my name for something, i would rather it be something i endorse or am interested in as a cause project etc, if they are going to gift me with a donation in my name. angel

Lynnxz -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 11:01:38 AM)
O.o I don't think her post warrented that much hostility angel. She was just pointing out what the org does. I think the idea is a great one, and an interesting way to gain funds for an organization. People probably donate more when they see their money going towards a specific, small goal, than they would when donating to a larger, more vague type of thing.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 11:38:11 AM)
About once every three years or so, I buy a bunch of blankets from the Salvation Army store and then hand them out to the homeless Downtown.

barelynangel -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 11:54:07 AM)
You and i must perceive things differently Lynnxz, as my post was exasperation to her comments after the explanation not her explanation itself and as i said, it was in exasperation, not hostility. Gotta love the written word.

RainydayNE -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 12:01:15 PM)
it doesn't sound like she's doing it for her own benefit to me alot of people want to donate to charities but for whatever reason they can't/don't, so someone else doing it on their behalf might be nice for them kinda like naming a star after someone =p you'll never get to visit your star, you don't own it, you can't wear it on a necklace and show everyone or anything, but some people still like the idea =p i dont know any of the people she did this for, so who am i (or anyone else for that matter) to say what she did was right or wrong =p atleast now we all know what to do if we're ever in the position to donate in your name =p

jlf1961 -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 12:54:21 PM)
Considering the times we live in, and my own cynical view on the human race in general, people either give to charities in order to claim a tax write off, b) to score brownie points for someone they feel they need to impress or, c) buy their way into heaven. The very small majority who contribute and give without thought to personal gain, either spiritually or financially are the true believers in the season. It is only the thought that counts, not the quantity. If I may present an historic example, which is contrary to the given perception of the combatants at the time..... One Christmas in the middle of fierce fighting along a wide front, one company ceased fire and offered a besieged and outnumbered enemy medical supplies, food, blankets, and even warm clothing to offset the subzero temperatures. During this cease fire, the generous unit provided hot meals, medical attention by a doctor, not a field medic, and even arranged to transport the entire besieged unit to a better position that was out of the elements, as well as providing the medical needs some of the wounded would require if the battle continued for much longer. Three days later, the besieged troops were relieved by friendly forces, all the wounded that had been treated survived, and within 15 days, the survivors of the unit that rendered aid to their enemies were captured and imprisoned as POW's. The dates of this cease fire were 24 December 1945 through 28 December 1945, the besieged unit were the cut off survivors of an American Infantry company, and the German unit was a company of Panzer grenadiers belonging to the 1st SS Panzer division which was the unit responsible for the Massacre of American POW's at Malmedy. Please remember that the SS unit symbol was the death's head. Each one of the officers of this particular division were charged with the massacre, whether present or not, just because they were SS. If anybody wants to know what happened to the officers, cmail me.

BbwCanaDomme -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 1:01:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel While i think your idea is a good one, be careful your "gift" isn't some agenda you will be forcing on people. I have donated things in names of people in the past but i have done so to THEIR projects, charities etc, not my own. If you are planning on gifting these to people in their name, as i said, it would be more of a gift if it was to their projects and not your own ideas because of what you like or don't like or do such as being a veg. If someone is a veg, this would probabably be a great gift, but to someone who is not, you may actually insult them or make them feel bad when they sit down to Christmas dinner with meat etc. This should be thought of in the same way you by gifts --- its for others -- so you buy gifts in what they would like, enjoy etc, not what you want for Christmas etc. It would probably please the heck out of people if you donate to things THEY like donating to or believe in or help out or if you don't know, perhaps something in the local community where they live like schools where their kids go or a community center in their area or library etc. I would also think that if you feel your family doesn't need things but others do, i am confused why you would donate to an organization who doesn't help people since you admit people need things more than your family does. This gift seems more for you than it does for others who you are buying for in their names. Honestly? I'm not concerned with whether or not they like the gift. The whole point is that my friends and family don't need anything. There's no agenda, there's no forcing beliefs on people, it's buying gifts for people who actually do need something instead of those that don't. I'm choosing to buy animals that will benefit people in some way that won't involve just eating them, although the people may opt to do that once they stop producing eggs/milk. The same way that if I was buying for friends and family, I probably wouldn't be buying them fur or leather, because that's not something I'm comfortable with contributing to. I'm putting it in their names so they know where the money for their christmas present went. Maybe next time check out what a charity does before making claims that it doesn't help people. Also, thanks RainydayNE for clarifying what the heifer.org does :)

tweedydaddy -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 2:33:30 PM)
Thankfully water buffalo is delicious, as is llama, and sheep, well, is sort of eaten all over the world. Why waste a perfectly good animal? Don't forget to donate gravy. How excrutiatingly earnest, I must rewatch absolutely fabulous at once.

tweedydaddy -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 2:50:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Considering the times we live in, and my own cynical view on the human race in general, people either give to charities in order to claim a tax write off, b) to score brownie points for someone they feel they need to impress or, c) buy their way into heaven. The very small majority who contribute and give without thought to personal gain, either spiritually or financially are the true believers in the season. It is only the thought that counts, not the quantity. If I may present an historic example, which is contrary to the given perception of the combatants at the time..... One Christmas in the middle of fierce fighting along a wide front, one company ceased fire and offered a besieged and outnumbered enemy medical supplies, food, blankets, and even warm clothing to offset the subzero temperatures. During this cease fire, the generous unit provided hot meals, medical attention by a doctor, not a field medic, and even arranged to transport the entire besieged unit to a better position that was out of the elements, as well as providing the medical needs some of the wounded would require if the battle continued for much longer. Three days later, the besieged troops were relieved by friendly forces, all the wounded that had been treated survived, and within 15 days, the survivors of the unit that rendered aid to their enemies were captured and imprisoned as POW's. The dates of this cease fire were 24 December 1945 through 28 December 1945, the besieged unit were the cut off survivors of an American Infantry company, and the German unit was a company of Panzer grenadiers belonging to the 1st SS Panzer division which was the unit responsible for the Massacre of American POW's at Malmedy. Please remember that the SS unit symbol was the death's head. Each one of the officers of this particular division were charged with the massacre, whether present or not, just because they were SS. If anybody wants to know what happened to the officers, cmail me. It can't begin to equal the treatment that was meted out to Jewish or Polish children by these aforemention gentlemen. They knew damn well that they had lost their last roll of the dice by the time you mention and were only too eager to curry favour. Compare the treatment they gave to prisoners in 1939 -40 to the they way they carried on once it was obvious they were losing and facing a hangman's rope. In Orador, Das Reich murdered a whole town after locking them in a church. There is no possible rehabiliation of the reputation of anyone who wore a death's head badge. These were politically indoctrinated thugs and killers whose favoured prey was innocent defenceless people. Don't let the elititist concepts and pretty uniforms fool you, they were scum and they lost. If it's not too obvious a question, apart from the fact that the fuhrer was a vegetarian, what's the SS got to do with donated animals, tasty or not?

mystickoolaid -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 2:53:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: moonvine I run a 501(c)(3) cat rescue. We have plans to someday expand to be able to rescue other species, and to purchase land on which to construct a no-kill sanctuary. Since if we can't meet expenses it comes out of my pocket, one could say I donate to it often. However, since I haven't had a job since April we have had to severely cut back on the amount of cats we can rescue so that I can make sure we are all taken care of. If anyone wants to see our webpage and our beautiful rescued kitties, it is at http://www.rescuties.org Thats so great. I do small animal rescue, and specialize in exotics, such as chinchillas. I thought there were too many rescues for cats and dogs and nowhere for all the hamsters, degus, turtles, snakes, and etc. to go. So I went the other way. Nice to know a fellow rescuer here. :)

jlf1961 -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 2:57:56 PM)
Actually, some of these officers had gigs in their jackets for failure to carry out orders, as in taking too long to execute prisoners before the allies could get into Paris. One of the NCO's had been an officer on the Russian front before the tide turned and had 'forgotten' to shoot some civilian prisoners before advancing toward Stalingrad.... The SS combat troops were for the most part, the elite shock troops of the German army. Not all of them were sadistic genocidal bastards.... While the German army routinely executed regular officers for failures, the SS had a tendency not to, primarily because many of these officers were the best they had, (not to mention that convincing Hitler that one of his chosen elite of the master race could make a mistake and not kill a lower species of human was impossible)

mystickoolaid -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 2:59:15 PM)
To answer the OP, my family and I have hit hard times this year, and are actually turning TO the salvation army for X-mas help, so not this year. I normally do fund raising/donations (toys, clothing, etc) to a local battered women's shelter, since it's near and dear to my heart. Unfortunately this time around I am on the other end of the donating stick. :(

BbwCanaDomme -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 3:04:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy Thankfully water buffalo is delicious, as is llama, and sheep, well, is sort of eaten all over the world. Why waste a perfectly good animal? Don't forget to donate gravy. How excrutiatingly earnest, I must rewatch absolutely fabulous at once. Like I said in my follow up post, I realize that the animals probably will be eaten, but that's not the only thing they have to contribute, which is why I chose them over sending a pig. Tha being said, more people need to watch Ab Fab, so carry on :)

Vendaval -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 4:01:16 PM)
General Reply - And if you are short on cash yourself this year, donations of time and sweat equity can make a huge difference with volunteer organizations in your own community.

atropa7 -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 4:29:09 PM)
One of my friends works with make-a-wish, and so every year we all donate about $20 to a charity rather than doing a secret santa. Last year, we adopted two seniors from the adopt a family program http://www.voami.org/Services/ChildrenYouthFamilies/AdoptaFamily/tabid/3079/Default.aspx This year, we are purchasing a bunch of animals from heifer.org. Other things we've done around the holidays: CAN and the Ann Arbor News have a program called Warm the Children in A2 that buys coats and other cold weather attire for low income children in Washtenaw Co http://www.hvcn.org/info/can/canabout.htm COTS Detroit works to help solve homelessness in Detroit http://www.cotsdetroit.org/

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 4:35:36 PM)
I bought over 200 dollars worth of gifts for needy children, and I give to a group called online angels, and I used to give to a group called all crafts for all charities, untill it got to expensive and I never really got any appreciation for it. It's not similar to yours butit is what I am doing charity wise. quote: ORIGINAL: BbwCanaDomme does anyone have any other similar charities they donate to?

Roselaure -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 7:22:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Actually, some of these officers had gigs in their jackets for failure to carry out orders, as in taking too long to execute prisoners before the allies could get into Paris. One of the NCO's had been an officer on the Russian front before the tide turned and had 'forgotten' to shoot some civilian prisoners before advancing toward Stalingrad.... The SS combat troops were for the most part, the elite shock troops of the German army. Not all of them were sadistic genocidal bastards.... While the German army routinely executed regular officers for failures, the SS had a tendency not to, primarily because many of these officers were the best they had, (not to mention that convincing Hitler that one of his chosen elite of the master race could make a mistake and not kill a lower species of human was impossible) Bit of a hijack here, sorry about that, but it doesn't really matter if as individuals, certain members of the SS were angelic altar boys. The SS as a group were sadistic genocidal bastards. Whenever loyalty to the enterprise becomes more important than simple morality, you will find evil functioning smoothly. That is not my own quote but it's a perfect definition of the SS.

Roselaure -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 7:29:08 PM)
If charities refused all money that was not given with the purest intentions they would be in dire straits. When it comes down to it, it does not matter why someone donates to charity. They money of someone giving for selfish reasons can be used to help the needy just as well as the selfless giver.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: Charitable X-mas Gifts (12/3/2008 7:47:40 PM)
LOL My mom is the WORST offender at that. She'll buy you what she wants you to have, even if she knows you don't want it. She thinks she knows better than her husband on what he needs all the time lol. He keeps saying honey I don't want button down shirts, I got to many, * he truely does he has like 50 of them all due to her buying them over the years and he can't wear em all* Then my mom will say oh this is gorgious it'll look great on your dad, and I said mom he doesn't want any clothing and my mom will say to me well tough shit he's getting button down shirts. he needs them and is to stubborn to buy them for himself . quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel While i think your idea is a good one, be careful your "gift" isn't some agenda you will be forcing on people.This should be thought of in the same way you by gifts --- its for others -- so you buy gifts in what they would like, enjoy etc, not what you want for Christmas etc. angel

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