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hizgeorgiapeach -> Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 12:22:12 PM)

We talk a lot on here about the pros and cons of more or less government interference in our day to day lives and decision making.  How many of us, though, have honestly run  up against a point where we stopped and said "enough is enough" ?  I know I have.
 
I recently made the decision to move my father out of the nursing home and back here into the family home with me.  He's dying, that's not going to change, and all the medical help in the world isn't going to stop it from happening - especially against his own wishes and the advance directive he's had on file for several years.  I'm tired of fighting with him about whether he dies here at home - where he's comfortable and familiar - or in a nursing home that he hates being in and desperately wants out of.  And frankly, due to the Wall St. Problems a couple of months ago - he's broke - his IRAs, which had been paying the bulk of his nursing home bill, lost a buttload of money and rather than having sufficient to keep his bill paid privately until he becomes eligable for Medicare, he's flat broke.  To solve all the problems being faced - I can't afford to make up the difference out of my pocket that his pension and disability income won't cover, and that medicare won't pick up the tab for until some time next year - the most expedient and logical thing to do is to move him back in with me, become his primary caregiver, and hire someone I trust to come in part time for a few hours a day as a sort of adult babysitter so I can be in the shop undisturbed and/or run errands that need running (like... oh... Grocery Shopping and such.)  Granted, there are going to be difficulties in my own life from moving him back in here (he's a stubborn old goat, and he's Not going to like some of the rules he's going to face that he mistakenly thinks won't be a factor like they are in the nursing home) but those are relatively minor and will end when he dies - which isn't likely to be a very long time, considering his declining physical condition despite excellent medical care.
 
So I went on a search for home health aids and adult baby sitters over the past lil bit of time, and found out something..... Truely Disturbing..... yesterday during my search.  One of the things I had in mind was to go through a service short term, while I conducted interviews and screening amongst those I know and trust at least somewhat for someone both willing and able to come in and act as that "sitter".  I was informed by one of the agencies (though NOT by the APS worker I nominally know, whom I'd asked for names of reliable agencies)...... of a quiet change made in the Laws here in my state concerning such.  Seems that I'm no longer allowed to call a friend and say, "hey, could you come over and sit with dad for a couple of hours while I go grocery shopping? I can kick ya a bit of gas money for the drive, and pay you a bit for your time."  No, now anyone that I pay - anything at all, even their gas money to get over here - has to be certified by the state.  No more hiring a sitter for a couple of hours for $8 or $10 / hour pocket money at random from those I know.  It's Not Legal in this state for me to do so since July!  Oh no, now to keep from going to jail for Explotation, I'm Required to pay $18/hour to a state registered service - even if they're Not sending a CNA or something of that nature, just someone whom they keep on staff to be in the house with someone who isn't fully capable of taking care of themselves, just like I would hire a babysitter for very young spawn.  Sweet scam for the "certified" agencies, ain't it?  All of them have a 4 hour Minimun any time they're going to send someone over - even if I only need them for an hour, I have to pay for 4 hours.  I'm not allowed to use the help of friends, even if it's offered, unless those friends have been certified through the state.  I'm not allowed to do my own interviwing and screening.  I'm not even legally allowed to use volunteer help unless it's direct family or someone who lives with me - if I do, I can face charges of Neglect rather than Exploitation!
 
What happened to the time when we looked after our own?  What happened to folks thinking that it was a Good thing, when we took care of our own elderly in the family, rather than leaving them to rot in a nursing home?  What happened to the time when we were assumed to do the right thing unless it was proved we weren't, rather than the government assuming that if we tried to do the right thing we were trying to scam someone???  
 
I think, though, that what disturbs me the Most about it all is that the APS worker - who knew, without doubt knew, about the change in the law prohibiting me from hiring someone who does Not work for an agency - didn't bother to tell me about that fact, even though I told her up front that I intended to go through an agency while I was looking for someone outside the agency network to hire for the job so I didn't have to go through the middleman and pay outrageous agency fees that their workers barely get a fraction of.  Like I said, the agencies charge $17 to $25 an hour, with a 4 hour minimum for any day that someone shows up - but the folks who actually do the work barely get minimum wage out of that amount, unless they're a degree holding RN, CNP, LPN, or CNA.  He doesn't Need an RN or LPN - he just needs someone to be in the house who's capable of calling 911 for an ambulance if something happens while I'm gone for a few minutes!  Why should I be Required BY LAW to pay an agency $17 an hour when I can pay the person directly $10 an hour - and the person Doing the work will actually be Getting the money, rather than "administrative costs" eatting up more they get paid for their time?  It feels like the APS worker was...... trying to set me up to fail...... or intentionally setting up a situation where the government could "legally" come in, take what's dad's, throw me in jail, and then stick him to rot wherever it was convenient for them.  I know, that sounds a lot like paranoia - but with the way things are looking, and what my gut instincts are telling me, that's exactly what it is.



Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 12:54:19 PM)

Peach, your problem is a paper trail. Just don't tell them anything. If you have POA just use his money for half the bills and food and I mean use it. Any people you slip a few dollars just to be there, use your own money.

I would handle it totally differently but that's me. I would flat out tell them, say when and if my Father gets infirm to that point, that I will have there who I (and he) want(s). There is guns, money and alot of valuable tools and other things around here and I will not have someone there unless I trust them. I don't care about your bonding or certifications, I don't care about anything you say, your jurisdiction stops at the front door. This is a private home and you are kindly invited to leave, followed by stronger invitations. (if yanno whaadI mean)

But that's me, I am well capable of defending myself in court pro se, and if they disturb Dad I know how to sue. Suing for money I would get a lawyer, but if they brought those ridiculous charges against me I would laugh because there is no way they would ever make them stick.

Sorry if this is not all that helpful, but it is my opinion and how I would handle it. I also realize that I am in Ohio and there are alot more retirees over there, so it follows that there may be more laws regarding care of the elderly.

If he is still together enough to sign his own checks, things like that, you should have no problems. He simply lives with you, that is all. You decide to get a friend to keep him company, great, just act as a friend, if he keels over call an ambulance. Any friend would do that. Gas money is a side issue.

Just make sure that if you are administering his money that you don't put that down as an expense. Let his money help with expenses, and when you have to pull a few bucks out of your own pocket, be happy if you are ahead even a few dollars. After all you aren't in this for the money right ?

You are on terra firma, I say don't sweat it.

T



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 2:29:45 PM)

In this for the money?  What money? ROFLMFAO!  That's part of what has me absolutely incensed over the attitudes displayed by APS when I've talked to them.  My brother - he's been under the misinformation (of his own making) since dad's stroke that there was "money" to be "inherited" when dad dies and "controled' until that point.  Truth of the matter is, dad wasn't planning on being to ill to manage his own affairs for any length of time prior to dying.  Had the stroke killed him, or had he died relatively soon after the stroke, there would have been plenty to keep his bills and such paid and a pittance inheritance afterwards.  (No where near what my brother has always wanted to believe, but at least something.) 
 
Dad had about $100 K in his IRAs and savings (combined) when he had the stroke.  His nursing home bill costs $48K per year.  That means when he had the stroke, he had 2 years worth of nursing home bill payment set aside.  It was 2 years ago in August when the stroke happened.  It pisses me off that... rather than saying, "ok, you managed to keep his money going for the amount of time that you did," - they're bitching and whining because I didn't turn 2 years of nursing home payments into 5 or 6 years worth of nursing home payments by waving my fingers over it.



MasterG2kTR -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 3:12:47 PM)

So here's what you do...insteadof hiring someone to babysit your dad for a couple hours.....you hire your friend's or whoever to come and monitor your tv or clean your house (have them run the vacuum to make that statement legal), and just tell them that your dad will be there at the same time. Anything like that can easily circumvent the revised laws. Though it may come under potential scrutiny, there will be nothing they can do about it, should anyone actually question it.



Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 5:01:02 PM)

Peach, I did not mean to infer that in any way. If I did, sorry.

I kinda like UN's idea, hire them to watch your TV, oh and BTW Dad is there.

T



calamitysandra -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 5:13:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

So here's what you do...insteadof hiring someone to babysit your dad for a couple hours.....you hire your friend's or whoever to come and monitor your tv or clean your house (have them run the vacuum to make that statement legal), and just tell them that your dad will be there at the same time. Anything like that can easily circumvent the revised laws. Though it may come under potential scrutiny, there will be nothing they can do about it, should anyone actually question it.



Sounds like a good idea, but would she not open herself up to charges of neglect, if she leaves her father "alone" (without a person officially designated for his care).



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 7:10:53 PM)

Actually, it IS a good idea - and I already have a means (provided by thought, and the agencies themselves) by which to circumvent that potential for being accused of Neglect - by having an agency person come in 1 day a week officially, and taking the agency's own suggestion of hooking up a baby moniter in his room for the rest of the time.  The primary concern is to have someone here who is capable of calling professional help should something go wrong and he needs medical attention.  Even the people that would be sent by an agency are only going to be "certified" for that - because he doesn't need (and I'm not willing to over pay for) an RN to come sit next to his bed, or even check in on him all that regularly.  Hell, 99% of the work done at the nursing home is at best done by CNAs who know just enough to yell for the half dozen or so nurses on duty during any given shift.  Patients aren't monitered all the time unless they push the button for something, and then it's the aides that answer the call buttons.  He wants to go outside and smoke he doesn't even have to let them know where he's going - he simply wheels himself to the door to the back patio, let's himself outside, smokes, and comes back in.  The only door that gets Monitered is the Front door leading out to the parking lot.  (And even that isn't Strictly monitered - they only put the lil alarm thingies on the residents that are known to try and "escape" so to speak.)  If he needed a nurse all the time, he'd have been put back in the hospital.
 
Oh, and T - ya didn't piss me off, or offend me.  My first instinct was to tell the social worker to bugger off, that I would do as I felt was best - which was what dad trusted me to do when he named me PoA and Trustee.  Then I thought about whether I have any faith in the system NOT trumping up charges or doing things that are directly contradictory to my rights, and decided that it wouldn't be good risk management.



Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 8:14:14 PM)

Peach, it's just that I know I come off wrong to people sometimes. Someday I'll have to tell you the story of this huge barroom brawl that started because someone said "Yeah I'll shoot you", when what he meant was he would shoot a game of pool with him. Let's just say everbody had too many drunk kinfolk onhand that night and it was a melee that I am glad to be out of.

At any rate it is a good idea to avoid any kind of confrontation, but you can only comply so much. I used to have a sig line that I invented, if you watched Star Trek it has meaning.

Compliance is futile, you must resist.

As soon as you comply with one thing they are already working on something else with which you are going to have to comply. Nip it in the bud.

First of all, you and you alone will be the one to supply evidence of non-compliance. Simply don't do it.

If the confrontation comes, just burn that bridge when you come to it. For example :

"She told me to come over and watch her TV and that there is an old Man over there. I could go talk to him if I want"

"Then what happened ?"

"She left for about forty minutes and came back with a bunch of groceries and stuff"

"What did you do ?"

"I started helping her put them away, the old Man rolled away from the table with his coffee while we did that. I was handing her fridge stuff and leaving the cupboard stuff on the table"

Something like that, if a jury convicts you, I will convert everything to cash and the three of us can move to a free country, like China or somewhere.

See this is why common law people call all this shit commercial law, they are chiefly regulating the exchange of money. You did not say that you could never leave him alone under these regulations.

I told the olman of this and he asked me a quite poingiant(sp) question, who told you this ? If it was someone with any connection to the healthcare industry I would be quite dubious about it's validity. They will say anything to get money.

You have had problems with people being dishonest in the past, did you think they are unique ? NO, they are the norm. There is an innate tendency in humans to think that everybody is just like them. If you are honest, you think most people are. That is simply not true. The world is full of canniving wannabe shysters, and those who are good at hiding that aspect have jobs, usually in sales or some kind of frontend of a business.

For more detail on avoiding the confrontation get me on the other side.

T



Shiroka -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/27/2008 11:04:32 PM)

I am currently an in home care provider(certified) just as a heads up just becasuse there are thousands out there that are certified does not mean they are all good caregivers.I replaced one who neglected her cleint.

The training I have recieved through the particualr agency i work through is almost non existant and they fail to do full background checks,including employment history..

there is good and bad to that.some who choose to become a legal care giver do it just for an easy paycheck,others like mysel,take the job very seriously and do everything we can to assist the client..

if there needs to be a care giver brought in check for all agencys that provie care givers and ask what they require for their employees to take for classes and what they are supposed to be learning.

I have found many caregivers forget about hte human factor quite a bit.It's very hard to ind a decent one if it is needed.








hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 12:44:10 AM)

Shiroka, I did a (very SHORT) stint as a home health aide a few years ago, between my 21 yr old handicapped daughter going into a group home and coming back to Oklahoma to deal with dad's problems.  My time in that field was short because I it reminded me way to much of what life had been like for practically the entire time I'd been an adult.  When my spawn was growing up, I was her sole caregiver.  I was there, I did what needed to be done, and my respite weekends were grandma or great grandma volunteering to babysit so I could get a few hours of me time.  I spent more than 17 years being the primary - the only, really - caregiver for someone much more severely disabled than my dad has become since his stroke.  Physically, she's 21 - developmentally she'll never be more than 2 or 3 at best.  That 17 year long stint as a caregiver made me strong in some ways, but decidedly weak in others.  When I made the decision to put dad in a nursing home after the stroke - it wasn't, honestly, for Medical reasons. I used the medical reasons as an excuse to avoid being in that position again, because I didn't want to take on that role again.  I shrank away from the idea of putting my own life on hold again, not having much (if any) social life again, and having to always find someone to stay with the person I was caregiver for just to run simple everyday errands.  I still don't like it, but I've come to the realization that I can do it again, with the full knowledge that it won't be for 17 or 18 years like it was last time - he simply won't survive that long between the emphasymia and the complications/problems connected to the stroke.
 
I've spent a lot of time today thinking - while there wasn't much else TO do other than watch TV - and came to a couple of realizations.
 
The one thing that dad wants more than anything else at this point is to come HOME before he dies - to pass from life in his own bed, in the house that he and the woman he loved (my mother, who died several years ago) made a home, where he's comfortable and surrounded by memories.  That is what would make him happy, and give him peace.  He's not going to get better.  No amount of medical care in the world is going to make him better.  Life is terminal for everyone, and ain't none of us gettin around that fact.  I owe him.  I owe him for the peaceful, protected, mostly happy childhood that I enjoyed.  I owe him for spurring me towards a love of knowledge, towards a better education than I might have chosen for myself without his input, for always being there when I needed him - and being there even when I didn't think I did need him.  I owe him for all the times that he kept me on track, for all the grief that teenagers give their parents, for always backing my decisions even when he didn't necessarily Agree with my decisions.  No, moving him back in with me isn't convenient.  It won't be particularly Pleasant to me, to change my routines and  have someone underfoot that I can't simply tell to go home because I'm not feeling social or need to get things done.  It won't be Comfortable having to see to things like making meals for 2 instead of 1, and helping him with various things he can't Physically do for himself any longer.  I'm not going to like essentially putting my life on hold (again) to take care of someone else - especially when I thought I was through with such when my older spawn finally went into a group home and I didn't have to do all of that for her.  But ya  know - it's all temporary - and with his health issues, quite probably VERY temporary.  If I can give him a sense of peace - of completion - in coming home before he dies, surrounded by things he knows and loves...... then it's selfish of me to refuse to do that because it's Easier, and Much more Convenient, to leave him in a nursing home.  My brother - my only sibling - wanted dad in the nursing home because HE didn't want to be Inconvenienced by having to take on half the responcibility for being dad's caregiver - he wanted that to either be solely my problem, or someone else's problem, as long as it was absolutely Not HIS problem.  And I considered it selfish of him at the time to refuse to agree to help with the necessary tasks.  If for nothing else, I can't allow Myself to be that sort of selfish .... simply because I detest blatant hipocracy, and I still loath my brother for that selfishness on his part - there's part of me that simply wants to prove to myself, again, that I'm the better person.  (I know, petty and stupid and futile, but that's the human subconscious for ya at times!)  That's something that I doubt I could make the APS worker understand - that if I were in this for MYSELF, if I were looking out for MY best interests before His - I would leave him where he is and let the state step in and cover the portion of the bill that we can't afford to private pay.  Hell, that would only take about 20 minutes worth of filling out paperwork to accomplish - no muss, no fuss, no move, and no disruption of my life.  But that's also not fair to him, not what he wants, and not what would HONESTLY be best for him when you look at all sides of things.  He doesn't need the constant medical supervision.  The nursing home itself has proven that, in not having him either back in the hospital or with a nurse at his bedside 24 hours a day.  If he's home - it's one caregiver to one patient, a great ratio.  If he's still in the nursing home, it's 2 nurses and 4 or 5 aides per wing against 40 to 60 patients per wing - definately not a great ratio.  This is not to imply that the nursing home doesn't do all it can for it's residents - they're one of the best in this area, and have a great staff.  But they only have so many staff members, and each of those only has so many hours that they're at work, and a lot of patients/residents to deal with each and every hour that they're on duty.  At best it's impersonal, which is both depressing and frustrating for dad.  They simply don't have the TIME to sit and talk with one lonely, ill man out of the 60 on that wing of lonely, ill old folks.  Or to really Care what he's feeling as long as he's still visibly alive so they don't have to deal with paperwork or a critical situation.
 
When push comes to shove, dad running out of money is simply the.... justification..... for doing what I feel is the Right thing to do anyway.  If it were just money, like the APS wants to believe, then I'd leave him in the nursing home and wash my hands of the responcibilities.  It would be so easy on some levels to do so.  It would be (relatively) painless to do so.  I just don't think I could look myself in the eye for the rest of my life if I did so.



housesub4you -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 2:28:06 AM)

Man that sucks

When my Grandmother was bed ridden, in Illinois we used a free Hospice service who sent free cert nurses to our house everyday.  They came to our house and gave meds and made sure that her living will was honored.  When she died in our home, they where, and when the morgue was called they signed all the documents about her death. 

She had been in a nursing home, but like your family the money ran out, it was either take her home or make her a ward of the state. 

http://www.hospicenet.org/





Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 8:07:37 AM)

Then all I can say is enjoy it. I am not joking. As long as he can still talk once you get him started he might not want to shutup. I find it very interesting to talk to old people. They know about how things were before we were born.

People can write about history all they want, and their writing can survive them, but you will never get it in an interactive form like you can now. Ask him things, like about his first car, his first job and so forth. From the details you get to find out how things really were back then. They didn't have the modern conveniences we have now and they didn't miss them of course. There are pearls of wisdom in there and you shall be the one to find them, if you know what you're looking for.

Some things that look like a pain in the ass are a golden opportunity. It's up to you to recognize and sieze that opportunity. And realize, it only comes once. Then when it's over it is over.

That's the main problem, you get a good repoire going with him and believe me if it goes right you'll both enjoy it, but one day he is going to wake up dead. That is the problem because then it is going to hit home alot harder than getting that phone call. That is however, the price you pay. It's worth it.

He is probably a bit out of it after being in there for that time, you can bring him out. There are so many things you can do to make the old Man happy I can't even begin. Find out what his favorite song was when he was twenty, download it. (get Bearshare 5, I'll tell you where if you need). Find out his favorite food, gawd that can be a big one after coming out of an institutional environment. Cook it, you might like it.

Things like that. I mean it, look at this as an opportunity. There's a guy down the street older than dirt. He remembers the great depression. I hope he has a few more years in him so I can talk with him. He actually might have some tips on how to survive the next one. I hope he makes it to next summer, when I can run into him on the street.

Fact of life is you take the good with the bad, there is no choice. It is up to you to seek and find the good.

T



UncleNasty -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 9:47:29 AM)

hgp,

You're in a tough spot in so many ways. Of the ones I can see I have empathy for you.

Regarding a good or best course of action for you I have no real ideas beyond this - do what YOU and HE feel is best and right. You strike me as one with a good heart and clear mind. Those, and your intimate connection with your father (get your minds out of the gutter people), are likely all you need to advocate well for him at this time.

Were it me I would pay little to no attention to the "state." Only enough to keep them from interfering as this process runs its course. Any difficulties they may be able to create for me after his passing I would fight, and hard, but having acted from heart I would be strengthened in the knowledge that HE got what he wanted.

The inverse of the above would not be acceptable to me. To act in strict accordance with what the state tried to force both of you to do, in contradiction to your fathers wishes and to his displeasure and discomfort, and to carry those bad feelings with me for years....  Well, having the state pissed off at me pales in comparison.

Be well.

One handed Uncle Nasty



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 10:43:34 AM)

Perhaps not oddly, UN, that is part of what went through my mind yesterday, while I was putting the last few "finishing touches" on the bedroom that he's going to be moving in to as of Sunday.  Carrying around a sense of guilt for the rest of my life that daddy spent his last days on earth Miserable and Heartsick because I wanted MY life to be convenient isn't something I care to face.  I'm only 42 - barring something utterly drastic happening, I'm going to be around for a long while yet to carry that sort of load.  What can the state do, really?  Throw me in jail and him back in a nursing home? Hmmmmmm... talk about Convenient - I wouldn't have pay my own bills, cook my own meals, clean my own laundry, or do much of anything other than lay around and read (which I enjoy doing anyway.)  No more responcibility, no more worrying about whether I'm making the right decision, no more second guessing myself.  Shit, sounds like a Vacation in comparison to looking myself in the mirror for the next 20 to 30 years knowing that I didn't even Try to make his final days pleasant ones!
 
In the long run, the state is gonna do what they're gonna do - and I am gonna do what I feel is best for both daddy and myself, which is what I have to do.  It's convenient for the state to forget that there isn't simply ONE person's best interests that have to be considered - that of the elderly person involved.  I can never forget that, just like I couldn't forget it when I was caretaker for my spawn.  I have to consider his best interests, but those have to be balanced out with what's in my own best interests.  I guess they need to be reminded of that, and the fact that me taking on this job voluntarily means less money coming out of the public coffers to put a further strain on the system.  (You would think they would encourage families to take on the responcibility themselves for just such reason!)
 
Considering how little time I actually HAVE to have someone else over here - just long enough for me to go to the store, or maybe one day a week to go out for private time during the day - it almost feels like I'm wasting dad's money on hiring someone to come in and sit with him at all.  It's not like hiring one of the agencies is going to allow me to still have a social life - they'll be here during the day, when everyone else is at work - not at night when those whom I generally socialize with are free to do something.  For those times, I'm still screwed unless I hire someone privately.  For things like that, I have an arrangement made with a gay friend of mine - he doesn't have cable, so a couple of times a month, I'll invite him over for a "movie night" - ie, he stays here and watches movies, I go out for a few hours, dad just happens to be here in bed asleep and if something happens friend is here to call 911 or take care of it for me.



Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 12:26:10 PM)

Hey Peach, I just thought of something.As long as he can talk and think, just have HIM directly pay anyone that might be looking over for him. Let's see them prosecute that !

T



hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 1:19:23 PM)

OMG that's BRILLIANT.  While he's not generally considered capable of taking care of his own business (I'm the one who is responcible for making sure things are paid on time, and signing any Legal paperwork) - he's More than capable of that much to take care of himself!



UncleNasty -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 1:28:43 PM)

What a great wrinkle/strategy Term.

hgp, would it be possible to have him sign some checks in advance of needing them? Like several months in advance?

One handed Uncle Nasty



Termyn8or -> RE: Big Brother Insanity (11/28/2008 10:37:31 PM)

UN, don't go there, it signals impropriety whether any exists or not.

Peach, you already know you are not playing with kids here. Sometimes it takes time, but I usually can come out ahead. I am not afraid of the government all that much, as long as I can avoid those secret courts and all that, like they take people from Gitmo to figure out their execution date and that's about all.

For example I don't even challenge law, that is something to convince a jury of if it gets to that point. I would challenge jurisdiction first. I would make them declare whether this is a court of Admiralty, Common law or Equity. They must prove jurisdiction and then define the court in which I am to be tried. After their heads are spinning with that, when I represent myself pro se I am not bound by the rules of the bar, only by Robert's rules of order. Another thing is to file your assertions in writing and make them exhibits of evidence, that way they cannot be stricken from the record.

That is the biggest mistake people make in court, running their mouth instead of their mind. Use a typwriter or a word processor or something. Make it public record BEFORE it can be excluded or stricken. What you say could mean nothing at all if the judge doesn't like it. But if it was filed with the clerk of court aforehand, it is very hard for them to get rid of.

You start to get real with these people usually they will just drop the charges, they simply don't want to go through the hassle, and they, as well as you, have no idea what a jury might decide. If they don't drop it, all is not lost.

If you have filed the right things into the public record before the court date, the court has an option it can use to not embarrass itself. It can mark the transcript "Not to be cited nor quoted". What this means is that there is no official order involving any penalty, therefore there will be no penalty, unless it is for contempt of court. That will be public record and can therefore blow their whole game anyway, because if there is no record of the case, the law assumes it never happened. If it never happened how could there be contempt of court ?

Now kids, don't try this at home. This is fucking with some dirty nasty people who know what they're doing. I have not actually done it, but I have studied for years, and I have my trepidations. I have seen it work, I know it works. Fighting the IRS is nothing compared to this. If you don't know what your doing, don't try it, and no lawyer will help you because they are loyal to the court. You must know exactly what you are doing and do it right.

And if you actually did commit a crime forget it. I mean if they find the van you were driving flipped over on a golf course somewhere because you were driving drunk, don't even think about it (this happened to me).

At any rate, stop thinking about this aspect of it, concentrate more on the good times, however short lived.

Be happy, it's not really all that hard to do.

T



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