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pahunkboy -> start your own copmeting curency (11/27/2008 6:31:11 AM)

the jig is up.   the fiat money is smoke and mirrors.

if you wish to start your own currency go here --->

http://www.opencurrency.com/join.php

here is a list of 6 alternative currencies  --->

http://www.opencurrency.com/currencies.php

here is the email I got as I am exploring this idea, 

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Hoka Hey!   Two quick notes as you get ready to enjoy a short but important holiday break:   1) Myself and Rob Gray of the AOCS will be guests this evening (Thursday, November 27th) on Michael Badnarik’s “Lighting the Fires of Liberty” radio broadcast. It will be live and available for call-ins from 9p to 11p Central Time.  Many of you have questions and this will be a great opportunity to hear first hand the inside details of our Bank, Sovereignty and our Sacred Lands.   2) Now that the Initial Currency Offering is over, our currency is only available through Currency Officers or “Bulk Orders”.  A Bulk Order is a great opportunity to access our silver at a great price.  Keep in mind that we do not sell silver!  We don’t want your paper any more than you do.  We’ll explain this in detail tonight. In the meantime, the best opportunity to convert your paper to money is the bulk order: 20oz at spot + $5.25!  You can take physical delivery or leave it on deposit in your account at the bank.  Details can be found at the Free Market Metals website.    Thanks for your patience as we dig our way out from under a few thousand emails and a few hundred voicemail messages.  Plenty of updates in the works.  Have a great holiday and will talk with you tomorrow night!   Doksa Ake Hoka Hey!   Canupa Gluha Mani Free Lakota Bank================================
if anything it is cool to pick up the Lakota language.   they do casinos well so why not money????

they take no name ,no SS # for an account.    hmm- might they be "terrorists, pirates, or are they insurgents"?

welcome to your freedom cage!




UncleNasty -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/27/2008 10:30:34 AM)

phb,

One recent example of this was Liberty Dollars, or Silver Certificates. Memory fails a bit but I believe they were raided by FBI and Secret Service back in the spring. They had recently begun minting copper Ron Paul dollars. In short millions of dollars worth of silver was confiscated and to my limited knowledge they are no longer operating.

Personally I think its an idea with merit. But the PTB don't seem to tolerate it.

One handed Uncle Nasty




corysub -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/27/2008 7:40:10 PM)

The indians had a currency that is still valuable today and probably a better investment than stocks...WAMPUM
http://www.mohicanpress.com/mo08017.html

"It is interesting, if not ironic, to note that wampum remains valuable even today. A single wampum bead made from Quahog or Whelk, manufactured in New England coastal areas can cost up to $10! Overseas wampum is less expensive, but still demands a good price. Wampum, the first currency of the new world, has survived as a desired item long enough to be considered a classic."




variation30 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 11:15:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UncleNasty

phb,

One recent example of this was Liberty Dollars,


bingo.

starting a competing currency is illegal.

just as having competing mail services was illegal (Lysander Spooner found that out - though he didn't find the parcel service loophole).
just as competing with government sanctioned monopolies is illegal (though that didn't stop Corneius Vanderbilt - a personal hero of mine)




UncleNasty -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 1:45:32 PM)

Quite true var.

I still just scratch my head in wonderment when I hear folks deny there is a monopoly in re our currency/money, or unequivocally state that there is no "money trust."

One handed Uncle Nasty




UncleNasty -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 1:51:14 PM)

Also, isn't the utter lack of competition regarding currency/money an interesting slap in the face of the most literal definitions of "free trade" or "free market" or "deregulation?"

Reminds me of the same foundational cognizant dissonnance I see in "God fearing Christians" that purchase insurance policies. If He is to be trusted to watch over them isn't insurance pretty much an insult?

One handed Uncle Nasty




celticlord2112 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 2:03:50 PM)

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starting a competing currency is illegal.


Is it?

51 USC §5103 defines United States coins and currency as legal tender--and by law no other currency can be legal tender.

However, the significance of legal tender is this:  in general, a debtor offering legal tender to a creditor in discharge of the debt has made a valid method of payment, and in general, the creditor cannot then sue for non-payment if he rejects the offer of legal tender, unless the contract between debtor and creditor specifies another means of payment.

Case in point:  My apartment lease specifies that payment must be made in either check or money order, or by credit card--cash will not be accepted.

Now, if people agreed, in their contracts, to require and accept payment via some other instrument (e.g., "Liberty Dollars")--is that a violation of the law?  Is that mode of "competing currency" illegal?

(Still researching the question, but so far I am unable to establish what violation of law ensues from such a practice)






AquaticSub -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 2:08:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

starting a competing currency is illegal.


Is it?

51 USC §5103 defines United States coins and currency as legal tender--and by law no other currency can be legal tender.

However, the significance of legal tender is this:  in general, a debtor offering legal tender to a creditor in discharge of the debt has made a valid method of payment, and in general, the creditor cannot then sue for non-payment if he rejects the offer of legal tender, unless the contract between debtor and creditor specifies another means of payment.

Case in point:  My apartment lease specifies that payment must be made in either check or money order, or by credit card--cash will not be accepted.

Now, if people agreed, in their contracts, to require and accept payment via some other instrument (e.g., "Liberty Dollars")--is that a violation of the law?  Is that mode of "competing currency" illegal?

(Still researching the question, but so far I am unable to establish what violation of law ensues from such a practice)





I don't think it would be. In the eyes of the law, I would think it would be like a contract where I agree to give you my car in exchange for your boat - which is perfectly legal. Trying to use it at a store might be illegal though.




variation30 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 3:20:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Now, if people agreed, in their contracts, to require and accept payment via some other instrument (e.g., "Liberty Dollars")--is that a violation of the law?  Is that mode of "competing currency" illegal?

(Still researching the question, but so far I am unable to establish what violation of law ensues from such a practice


I think what you need to keep in mind is this...whether or not you find a law that specifically forbids people from starting a competing currency is irrelevent as it wont' stop you from going to jail. there is no law that requires you to pay income taxes in america...but you will go to jail.

and the federal government has already made it clear through their actions that they will take all of your property if you start a competing currency (assuming it gets popular enough in their eyes).




celticlord2112 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 3:32:03 PM)

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there is no law that requires you to pay income taxes in america...but you will go to jail.

There is Title 26, aka the Internal Revenue Code.




variation30 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 3:51:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

there is no law that requires you to pay income taxes in america...but you will go to jail.

There is Title 26, aka the Internal Revenue Code.



voluntary compliance is not mandatory compliance.




celticlord2112 -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 4:12:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: variation30

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

there is no law that requires you to pay income taxes in america...but you will go to jail.

There is Title 26, aka the Internal Revenue Code.



voluntary compliance is not mandatory compliance.


Wrong again.

Chapter 75 of the Internal Revenue Code identifies several crimes releated to (non)payment of taxes.
Compliance is most assuredly mandatory, under the law.

Whether a law is fair or unfair, to argue that the law does not exist is pure folly.




pahunkboy -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 4:47:49 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsJjTaekA8&feature=related   <-- this is Ron Paul at an end the fed rally the other day.  toward the end of this part 1, he claims China and Iran are buying gold.   

what could thAT  possibly mean?




Raechard -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/28/2008 4:55:04 PM)

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out the Rae is trading well against the dollar with one Rae being worth $10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ish.[8|]




pahunkboy -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/29/2008 6:51:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: variation30

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

there is no law that requires you to pay income taxes in america...but you will go to jail.

There is Title 26, aka the Internal Revenue Code.



voluntary compliance is not mandatory compliance.




this vid just came out today. 7 mins of concise explanation of where we now are at.   Chymes thinks I am being played,,, but this ladies argument is hard to refute. 

http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/11/28/lpactv-american-system-3-mission-us.html

she is not a babtist minister.    must watch ..for anyone who wants a simple mode of understanding




LadyEllen -> RE: start your own copmeting curency (11/29/2008 6:51:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

starting a competing currency is illegal.


Is it?

51 USC §5103 defines United States coins and currency as legal tender--and by law no other currency can be legal tender.

However, the significance of legal tender is this:  in general, a debtor offering legal tender to a creditor in discharge of the debt has made a valid method of payment, and in general, the creditor cannot then sue for non-payment if he rejects the offer of legal tender, unless the contract between debtor and creditor specifies another means of payment.

Case in point:  My apartment lease specifies that payment must be made in either check or money order, or by credit card--cash will not be accepted.

Now, if people agreed, in their contracts, to require and accept payment via some other instrument (e.g., "Liberty Dollars")--is that a violation of the law?  Is that mode of "competing currency" illegal?

(Still researching the question, but so far I am unable to establish what violation of law ensues from such a practice)





Our law of contract says that "consideration" must be given - whilst one party usually agrees a sum in money as consideration, it isnt a requirement that he do so.

And of course, even where a sum in money is the consideration, that need not be in Sterling; my company transacts a third of its business with Euros as the consideration.

Its something I've been thinking about from time to time; if the banks wont provide funds whereby we in the European freight industry can trade, and given that we as an industry are something of a closed shop in terms of everyone trading with one another, there must be a way we can adopt some new expression of consideration for our contracts whereby we can get goods moved without needing currencies at all.

The problem this runs into though is that ultimately we need money to pay for diesel, road tolls, ferry crossings, wages et al. Unless the whole economy accepts our new expression of consideration, it goes nowhere - and thats before we get to the problem of what backs that expression, where, how and when can it be realised etc.

But in a way we already have - by way of the credit terms commonly applied in our sector - a system from which to go in all this. Right now for instance I have monies owing to me from companies A, B and C - and owe money to companies D, E and F. If we could all agree to do so, I could assign the debts to me of A, B, C to D, E, F. I dont receive anything (or perhaps a small net amount), but my creditors are paid and my balance sheet isnt down. In turn, D, E, F could assign the debts of A, B, C to their creditors G, H and I - and so on.

Bills of exchange and promissory notes. As long as everyone in the scheme is sufficiently stable, it could just work out.

E




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