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C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The Deri... - 11/25/2008 8:39:58 PM   
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interesting that this is bigger per the US.  that cant be happenstance. //


"This is not just U.S.," LaRouche went on. "This is international. As I had warned, this is now going into a hyperinflationary phase. And if you don't want to blow out the world system, you're going to put the damn thing into bankruptcy now! You're going to put the legitimate banks under bankruptcy protection, now! No protection for derivatives, none! But the banks which may be put normally into bankruptcy as a result of that, are put under bankruptcy protection, and the derivatives payments are suspended.[snip]





You don't have enough money in the universe to pay this bill! So why don't you admit it! We should say that; exactly that. We shouldn't do any reporting of this stuff, because reporting it is being impotent in the face of it. Just say that there's not enough money in the universe to pay this damn bill.



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same week as the Citibank bailout engineered by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is no accident. Despite all of Paulson's assurances, Citibank is just the first of many, many more mega-bailouts, and just like before, Rangel is being targetted because he is an obstacle, who threatens to block the financier schemes to impose fascist looting on the population, while doling out un-Constitutional bailouts to the speculators. In the summer of 2008, the unlimited bailout of Fannie-Freddie, announced by Paulson on Sept. 7, 2008, which Lyndon LaRouche called, ``tantamount to treason,'' had been rejected by Rangel's committee earlier. Rangel and his committee limited Paulson's ``bazooka'' to $800 billion, and insisted on making it transparent, by raising the U.S. debt ceiling from $9.6 trillion to $10.4 trillion
http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/11/25/you-damn-fools-you-should-put-thing-bankruptcy.html

------------------------ what a guy.  he is very clear on what needs to be done.
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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/25/2008 9:47:52 PM   
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There are, and have been, other folks with enough foresight to see it coming.

None of those in a position to effect positive change in advance paid attention or took any action.

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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/25/2008 10:06:03 PM   
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After my previous post here I did a little digging through some of my archived materials. Just one of many that saw it all coming, and some from a lot further off than this one.

"This article appeared in the May 4, 2007 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

BAILOUT, OR REGULATED WRITEDOWN?
Securitizers Who Made Housing Bubbles Now Hide Big Losses
by Paul Gallagher

The Spring months are likely to see extremely large securities losses breaking out in "mortgage-backed securities" (MBS) which have been the international banks' essential tool in creating the now-exploding U.S. and other housing bubbles. These losses, which various investment bank reports are now estimating at up to $100 billion, may, in fact, become much larger than that, as the fall in home prices accelerates. They will hit those banks, and commercial banks as well, exposing how worthless are the large part of their assets which are based on the mortgage bubbles.

Since 2005, two-thirds of all mortgages have been "securitized"—sold by the lending companies to investment banks, which in turn package and sell them as high-profit securities, building a huge mortgage bubble over $15 trillion. In 2006, one-quarter of all the U.S. banking system's $12 trillion in assets were based on residential real-estate mortgages and residential MBS, the bubble which is now blowing out.

House and Senate hearings and emergency Federal regulators' meetings in the third week of April, showed that while, on the one hand, Congressional committees are slowly working toward legislation that could rein in and force a writedown of the $6 trillion-plus MBS; on the other hand, the Federal Reserve and accomplices are moving for a rapid bailout of the same banks and financial corporations, using huge amounts of Federal credit.

Unless the banks, their hedge funds, and other financial corporations are made to write down and reorganize their books full of these bankrupt assets, any Federal attempt to intervene in the worsening mortgage foreclosure crisis, with new Federal (or state) mortgage credit, will throw hundreds of billions down a bailout hole, without stopping the mortgage bubble collapse. If that writedown and reorganization is forced on the banks and MBS market players, the collapsed bubble of housing-financial assets can be replaced by new Federal credit for modern infrastructure—and for new housing.

Economist and Democratic leader Lyndon LaRouche said on April 22, "The only thing to do is to freeze all the problem mortgages and to stop the foreclosures (see Box). We have to prevent massive evictions. If what I propose is not done, we are entering a phase in which what is occurring will blow out the entire financial system." LaRouche said that even hundreds of billions of dollars of bailouts would not be sufficient to the real scope of the problem.
Thin Wall Holding Back Sea of Losses

Bloomberg news service on April 24 reported a Merrill Lynch estimate that the MBS of 2006, the most hyperinflated bubble year, have now sunk in trading value by up to 37%. The large bond fund Pacific Investment Management (PIMCO) estimated losses at about $75 billion as of late April. A New York Times column April 21 reported Lehman Brothers' estimate that MBS securities losses so far are $20 billion, but will rise during 2007 to 11-13% of the entire outstanding volume of "subprime" mortgages, which is over $1.5 trillion.

These losses are broadly hidden because securitization has completely atomized much of the $16 trillion of U.S. mortgage debt—it is extremely difficult to determine who owns it!—and because the only real "regulators" of the MBS markets are the credit rating agencies like Moody's and Standard and Poor's. The hedge funds, banks, and other funds holding these securities will not book the losses unless they sell their MBS, or the rating agencies "officially" downgrade them. The rating agencies thus far have obliged the banks; no MBS have been downgraded, although trading deep in the red. This thin wall will collapse soon, and the crash will be on, as the fall in home prices nationwide gets serious.

The real plunges in market value of homes, are still to come in future months. The National Association of Realtors ruefully reported on April 24 that March's U.S. existing-home sales fell by 8.4% from February (the largest month-to-month drop since 1989), and are down 11.3% from March 2006. The median existing-home price in March was still only 0.3% below March 2006, and 0.9% below for single-family homes. But the separate Schiller/Case home sales report, says that March prices in the 20 largest metro-area markets, were 1.5% down from March 2006; the unsold inventory of homes rose from 6.8 to 7.3 months, and over eight months for new homes. "No bottom in sight for the housing market," was one S&P analyst's response to the unexpectedly large drop.
Bernanke's Fed Wants a Bailout

Beginning April 16, there was an intense week of panicked private and public meetings. On that day, a seven-hour meeting was held behind closed doors, at the Washington, D.C., headquarters of the Federal Deposit Insurance Coporation (FDIC), involving the heads of the FDIC, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Fed officials, and representatives of banks, lending institutions, and consumer groups. According to statements released afterward, those at the meeting "agreed on a goal of keeping deserving borrowers with high-risk mortgages in their homes."

On April 17, the Federal Reserve Board of Governors released a statement, entitled "Statement on Working with Mortgage Borrowers," signed by the Fed, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), the FDIC, the National Credit Union Administration, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Office of Thrift Supervision. It read in part: "The Federal financial institutions' regulatory agencies encourage financial institutions to work constructively with residential borrowers who are financially unable to meet their contractual payment obligations on their home loans.... Many residential borrowers may face significant payment increases when their adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) loans reset in the coming months. These borrowers may not have sufficient financial capacity to service a higher debt load, especially if they were qualified based on a low introductory payment.... The [supervisory] agencies will ... not penalize financial institutions that pursue reasonable workout arrangements with borrowers who have encountered financial problems. Further, existing supervisory guidance and applicable accounting standards do not require institutions to immediately foreclose on the collateral underlying a loan when the borrower exhibits repayment difficulties" (emphasis added).

The highlighted sentence will be remembered from the 1989-92 period, when in 1991, the Federal Reserve and other regulatory agencies issued a directive to bank examiners that urged "leniency" and "wide discretion" in deciding what a bad loan is. An emergency meeting was held Nov. 7, 1991, in Baltimore, Md., to emphasize that point. At that moment, Citibank, America's largest bank, and other banks, had their books full of bad loans, and were hanging by a thread. The Fed feared a strict interpretation would push Citibank et al. over the edge.

Also on April 17, a "wall of money" policy began to emerge. Daniel H. Mudd, the chief executive officer of Fannie Mae, testified before the House Financial Services Committee, that Fannie Mae was altering its lending standards so that it "could help the subprime market through this turmoil," adding, "We are concerned about a liquidity crunch in the subprime segment." Mudd announced that Fannie Mae, the giant secondary housing market agency, was starting a new program, "Operation Home Stay," that would funnel funds into the subprime market.

While Mudd did not give a funding figure, Freddie Mac, the other giant secondary housing market agency testifying to the House committee April 17, announced the next day, that it will commit $20 billion to buy fixed-rate and adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) products, in an effort to provide mortgage-lending institutions with more "choices" to offer subprime lenders. Also, on April 18, the Seattle-based Washington Mutual, one of the nation's largest mortgage lenders, announced a $2 billion program; Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. announced that they will provide $1 billion each in mortgage refinancing,

Thus, in a 96-hour period, the Federal Reserve and Plunge Protection Team had organized Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the large money center banks to commit to perhaps $30-45 billion. This sum is between seven and ten times the size of the bailout that the Fed organized in September 1998, to save the LTCM hedge fund. Their interest is the same this time: to save their bankrupted system.

The investment banks, hedge funds, mutual funds, and pension funds that hold these MBS are going to keep those losses undeclared as long as they can, while waiting for a Federally sponsored bailout—through sales of new MBS by Fannie, Freddie, and FHA—to put a floor under the prices of those securities.
MBS and Foreclosures

The mortgage-crisis legislation which Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, has, so far, only threatened to introduce, takes a first swipe at the core of the problem—it would force mortgage-backed securities (MBS) holders to "take a haircut" by making them liable for the underlying problems in the mortgages they discounted.

In this context Frank's bill is being attacked on Wall Street speculators' more extreme websites—like Minyanville, run by former Drexel and Lehman traders: "The legislation proposed by Barney Frank is dangerous: It will punish investors that have absolutely no control over what goes into the mortgage pool.... How can they analyze the appropriateness of the purchase to the homebuyers? They cannot.... Buyers of mortgage-backed securities will require a higher rate of return from borrowers to be compensated for extra costs which Mr. Frank's proposed legislation would bring. This will raise the banks' financing costs and thus raise the cost of credit to all mortgage borrowers. Actually this legislation would spill over across the whole economy, as credit cards, auto, and other consumer loans are securitized as well. Securitization oils the wheels of capitalism and provides a needed liquidity for the U.S. financial system; take it away and liquidity in the system will dry up."

The House and Senate committee hearings on the mortgage crisis on April 17 established clearly, even from the very reluctant head of FDIC, Sheila Bair, that the securitizers—the MBS issuers and holders—alone, have a self-serving interest in mass foreclosures, all across the "exploded" subprime and Alt-A mortgage markets. Foreclosures—even if they result only in the repurchase of the home by the originating mortgage lenders or builders, for a low price, or in a "short sale"—provide cash flow to pay off the multiple tranches of the MBS. The market prices of the foreclosed homes are still above their prices in 2004-05 when the huge volume of the ARMs, subprimes, etc., peaked, so for now, most tranches will be paid off in a foreclosure wave. The substantial prepayment penalties of homeowners who get even part of their mortgages paid off by a forced "short sale" provide more MBS cash flow. The MBS holders' securities contracts allow them to demand that the mortgage-originating lenders and servicing banks pay the securities where the mortgagee payments have disappeared—until, that is, these mortgage lenders disappear, as some 50 have already.

The huge flows from these funds, banks, and foreign central banks into MBS is what drove up both prices, and effective mortgage interest rates (that is, very big, and ostensibly very profitable mortgages) since 2000, to the point that 1) tens of millions of "homeowners," including speculative "homeowners," had acquired mortgages they couldn't actually pay without continued home-price escalation, and 2) the MBS holders were "covered" and "hedged" for levels of delinquencies, defaults, and foreclosures which, as one witness told the Senate, would ruin a lending bank both financially and in reputation.

The MBS-investing banks and funds are separated by a multi-layered process of securitization, from the mortgages themselves, whose cash flow, penalties, charges, etc., they own. Known as "holders in due course," they are legally protected from changes in the mortgages made by renegotiations or refinancings, and legally untouched by any degree of fraud or underlying lack of soundness exposed in the mortgages. This was detailed in very useful testimony to the Senate Banking Committee on April 17 by Prof. Kurt Eggers of University of California at Orange.

Under the regime of "securitization," millions have gotten mortgages through mortgage brokers who were paid "yield spread premiums" to place them in higher-interest loans than they qualified for! Under the securitization regime, home appraisers were paid for bigger and bigger overassessments, and cut off from work by banks and brokers if they insisted on maintaining honest assessments. Under the regime of securitization by MBS, big builders and lenders, like Beazer Homes and JP Morgan Chase, planted virtual "large-scale foreclosure farms" under the guise of new starter-home subdivisions.

All of the House Federal witnesses, including CEOs of Fannie and Freddie, heads of FHA and FDIC, told the committee that as far as homeowners refinancing and renegotiating MBS-securitized mortgages, "Forget it—those loans are wrapped, sealed, and gone."

With the housing bubble now shrinking, the Mortgage Bankers Association's Douglas Duncan is forecasting that total mortgage originations for 2007 will be at only about $2 trillion—below the 2001 level, and more than 50% below the level of 2006. Wells Fargo bank—the nation's largest mortgage-servicing bank—just issued new figures revising the value of its residential loan-servicing portfolio downward by $100 billion, or about 7%. Of the six biggest mortgage-servicing financial corporations, all except JP Morgan—that is, Wells Fargo, Countrywide, Bank of America, Citigroup, and ResCap/GMAC—have reported substantial drops in the volume of the mortgages they are servicing (i.e., collecting and transferring payments). This was reported by MortgageDaily.com on April 21.

Under rapid price shrinkage, even the MBS holders take large, disorderly losses eventually; and even the bailouts announced by Freddie and Fannie don't work. Without a banking-asset reorganization, they are throwing away tens of billions of Federal dollars and credit into a futile attempt to stop mass foreclosures, and prop up the falling prices of the collapsing $20 trillion housing bubble."

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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/25/2008 11:19:01 PM   
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The amount of money the Fed/Treasury (same thing really they are reading from the same page), is unsustainable. If these amounts continue at even a fraction of this pace, we are literally fucked, in less than a year.  You can not transfer risk at the rate of the national GDP for long before everyone loses faith in the currency and country entirely when that psychological wall is breached, its over, they will IMO, at that point nothing to lose by hyperinflating the currency, which sorta acts as a reset switch, as debt becomes relatively valuless, and paper cash as well. Trade stops, and from the rubble, you really must start virtually over again.

The reset switch is the last resort, hyperinflation, it will happen it looks like if it does, I thinking it will be by march-July next year. Scary.

Anyway, if that starts hyperinflation, and you still have credit of any kind, you have little to lose by buying items with that credit that will hold there value regardless of inflation as most likely you'll go bankrupt anyway, at least most will. I'm not even talking Gold, that's nice and all, but food, means of energy production, wood heater, Medical supplies, crap like that, will inflate in value right along with whatever happens.

I don't get moved very easily but this shit is really fucked up.  We got a wood furnace about 2 weeks ago, actually. LOL. Wood around here is abundant and free for the taking if you cut the tree down for people, that probably won't last if shit hits the fan hard, but I do have enough access to wooded land to have enough for years.

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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/26/2008 4:27:10 AM   
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The question is what happened to the money? The first useful step for Obama administration would be to put together a independent team of federal prosecutors and conduct full and unbias investigation of financial fraud. It should happen. Otherwise, nothing will get really solved.

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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/26/2008 6:54:50 AM   
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I dont think the bail outs are by accident.  I think the powers that be are extracting what ever they can grab... while "we" "give" them electronic currency, likely they are hoarding hard assets.   the markets are quite fixed.   consider we just talked about GM bail out, then the next day POOF citi core is a done deal., huh?

I cringe at how ugly it will get.

the word of the year, "distraction".   the net has turned on more people.   my area could get inudated with city slickers, we are a host county for a disaster should anything happen in a nearby city.

this thing tho- almost has to run its course right now.  the people that dont now get it, wont get it in time. 

this is why the election was a joke.   from current point that we are, it goes 1 of 2 ways...   to  a few very rich globalists owning every asset on the planet, and thus stripping us to a serf/peasant    or we restore the contittution back the sound money.     there are no 1/2 measures.....  the system coould be stalled a few days...but not for long.

this is the big one.  I told my fling buddy to get ready.  He knows nothing, people I talk to know nothing.

I know we ahve had talk of doom for decades....  but this is so monsterous that ... it is staggering.   "they" are taking over the world. 



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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/26/2008 7:39:35 AM   
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phb,

Have you kept up with info regarding the "real" amount of the bailout so far? I have'nt really. I do know there is a lot of slight of hand and hiding of truth.

ABC News tossed out a number the other day, on Mondays broadcast I think, of $7.76 trillion.

Late last night I came across this from Bloomberg with a figure also of $7.76 trillion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home 


I keep asking the same 2 questions:

How tight does the noose around your neck have to be before you realize your being hanged?

Why is it folks aren't taking up pitch forks, rakes and torches?


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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/26/2008 7:59:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UncleNasty

phb,

Have you kept up with info regarding the "real" amount of the bailout so far? I have'nt really. I do know there is a lot of slight of hand and hiding of truth.

ABC News tossed out a number the other day, on Mondays broadcast I think, of $7.76 trillion.

Late last night I came across this from Bloomberg with a figure also of $7.76 trillion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=arEE1iClqDrk&refer=home 


I keep asking the same 2 questions:

How tight does the noose around your neck have to be before you realize your being hanged?

Why is it folks aren't taking up pitch forks, rakes and torches?


One handed Uncle Nasty


after 1 trillion, whose counting?

the effects have not gone thru the pipeline yet.  thats why.

I routinely wrote to congress over this.   many of us did.  to no avail.  but I am done playing patty cake.

in a revolution, everyone may have a different role.

when this thing blows up- get out of the way.   Ild advise that to anyone who is not good at physical violence.  find other tasks for the cause.

there are a whole lot of guns.  i dont know how enthused the military will be to quell us.   they are pretty burned out from iraq.

the irony is- the men who caused this problem, there is no where to hide.   the entire globe is set to go nuts.

maybe we will be distracxted with a nuke --

think of it as a dog fight.   people doing dog fight.  
this is what pisses me off.   bernacki and paulsen know exactly what they are doing.  they are agents for the enemy globalists.

maybe some sharp minds can help us.   time will tell. i know the US has gotten slothful, but to totally discount the US in how we will take it lying down- is probaly a mis-step.

current events add a whole new meaning to "crime"

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RE: C Official Calls For Central Banks To Bail Out The ... - 11/26/2008 6:09:26 PM   
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http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/10/13/video-five-minute-briefing-derivatives.html   this 5 minute vid explains the financial system.  there is not enough money to bail it out.  this student explains it.

also-  in light of the terror alert-  the obama a target for asssssination is reminded to us.  the event would throw everyone to the streets which is what the globalists want.  

from his statement:

From the earliest days of our republic, LaRouche explained, “the British have assassinated American republican leaders, beginning with the assassination of former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton, at the hands of British East India Company traitorous agent Aaron Burr, continuing with the assassination of President Lincoln, President William McKinley, and President John F. Kennedy, 45 years ago today. “The British know that an assassination of President-elect Obama, while George Bush is still in power, would tear the United States apart, and lay the basis for the kind of lockdown of the system, that would mean the end--after more than 200 years--of our Constitutional Republic. What happened, under Bush and Cheney, following the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York City and the Pentagon, gives a taste of the kind of top-down repression that Cheney and his puppet George W. Bush would impose, under the conditions of chaos set off by an assassination of the President-elect,” LaRouche explained.    /for complete statement -->

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/11/22/lyndon-larouches-november-22nd-warning-british-will-attempt-.html



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