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ORIGINAL: Crush

I'm waiting to see what the  Law of Unforeseen Consequences  brings to pass. 

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

not with shorts, naked shorts, spreads, structured dirivatives, and most of all fraction banking.  the money profit might have gone to rothschild... but when the market was worse then a casino with almost no house rules- should we be surprised.  

you and i are expected to herniate a disk for  $20.    but what they done with the currency mocks nearly every person that followed the rules.   ild be curious to hear the talk in the prisons between bank robbers....

i dont think the matter is happenstance.  but ya know- society at large suffers when fresh ideas are squashed via fear and economy chaos.

if the lone self works hard and does everything right,  then has it in effect taken away from him, what motivation is there to keep doing it?

wait until the dollar is 10 cents on the dollar.  most every country will devalue as well.  you can not run and you can not hide.   everyone is going to...  flip out

repeat after me.  i am my brothers banker.  i am my bankers keeper.  i am my bankers banker.

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama's new chief of staff, told a Wall Street Journal conference of top corporate chief executives this week.

He elaborated: "Things that we had postponed for too long, that were long-term, are now immediate and must be dealt with. This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122721278056345271.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Shiv,   isnt that the truth!

I emailed congress this morning. I was explaining this to a buddy the other day, my god- local people are clueless!

lets see, I will assess you $50 for your couch this month, $20 for your stove, $30 for your fridge.  If you want to have a roof, you  have no other choice but to pay it.  

the fact is- that the big power crashes countries on purpose so as to build up a huge fortune.   this is high treason.

only the government can issue debt- under the US Constitution.  Why do ya thing we left the British?  we left due to the bank extracting money of us.

if privatized roads are bad, think of how EVERYTHING is about to be privatized.   You might not own your hair, your spit and your spleen.

Why else would the congress be recklessly spending right now?  the ship is sinking.
http://larouchepac.com/news/2008/11/21/lpactv-larouchepac-weekly-report-november-21-2008.html    <-- this is where I heard obamas tranisition team has at least seen the idea.


do you think 29% interest is bad, $25 NSF fees?   wait untill the decade runs out and you can barely scrape some ramon noodles up for the week.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama's new chief of staff, told a Wall Street Journal conference of top corporate chief executives this week.

He elaborated: "Things that we had postponed for too long, that were long-term, are now immediate and must be dealt with. This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122721278056345271.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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He ticked off some areas where he thought new doors were opening: energy, health, education, tax policy, regulatory reforms. The current atmosphere, he added, even makes bipartisanship easier: "The good news, I suppose, if you want to see a silver lining, is that the problems are big enough that they lend themselves to ideas from both parties for the solution."

Mr. Emanuel noted, correctly, that the U.S. largely squandered the opportunity the oil shocks of the 1970s presented to make serious, long-term changes in its energy habits -- a failure that has returned to haunt the nation today.

Conversely, history points to examples of leaders who have used crises to seize opportunities. Most obviously, President Franklin Roosevelt took advantage of economic trauma in the 1930s to drive through a new economic agenda, as did President Ronald Reagan with his tax cuts in 1981.

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ORIGINAL: Crush

Chaos theory (yes, I'm qualified to talk about it....I teach it) shows that small changes can bring unexpected results.  We know what the PAST has been, but again, we don't know what changes, even simple ones, can bring about as unintended results.

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," Rahm Emanuel, Mr. Obama's new chief of staff, told a Wall Street Journal conference of top corporate chief executives this week.

He elaborated: "Things that we had postponed for too long, that were long-term, are now immediate and must be dealt with. This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122721278056345271.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

How convenient (and unsurprising) that you cut off the rest of the quote, that puts it in context:

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He ticked off some areas where he thought new doors were opening: energy, health, education, tax policy, regulatory reforms. The current atmosphere, he added, even makes bipartisanship easier: "The good news, I suppose, if you want to see a silver lining, is that the problems are big enough that they lend themselves to ideas from both parties for the solution."

Mr. Emanuel noted, correctly, that the U.S. largely squandered the opportunity the oil shocks of the 1970s presented to make serious, long-term changes in its energy habits -- a failure that has returned to haunt the nation today.

Conversely, history points to examples of leaders who have used crises to seize opportunities. Most obviously, President Franklin Roosevelt took advantage of economic trauma in the 1930s to drive through a new economic agenda, as did President Ronald Reagan with his tax cuts in 1981.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Rather, how convenient that I provided the link (that you used) to get to the entire article.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Crush

Chaos theory (yes, I'm qualified to talk about it....I teach it) shows that small changes can bring unexpected results.  We know what the PAST has been, but again, we don't know what changes, even simple ones, can bring about as unintended results.

You must have read the same copy of Jurassic Park that I did as a kid.

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

Yeah responses!
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Crush, crush, crush.
Your presence is a breath of fresh air.
I have to read and re-read what you are saying, but it makes sense.
I need to read more about the Chaos theory, because I am far from
being an economist but I have known we were in chaos for over a year.
The Law of Unintended Consequences......deep I love it!!!!!!!
I hope to see a lot more of you around here, thank you!!!
I love the fact that you and Pahunk not only give your opinions, but also
explain why you feel the way you do.  Thank you for giving us a lot to
think about.

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personally we're going to see a version of "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" as we experience "Change." I'm still how people who have told us that "Trickle Down Economics" isn't valid, but are going to bail out these corporations under the idea that it will help the man in the street

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Crush

Chaos theory (yes, I'm qualified to talk about it....I teach it) shows that small changes can bring unexpected results.  We know what the PAST has been, but again, we don't know what changes, even simple ones, can bring about as unintended results.

You must have read the same copy of Jurassic Park that I did as a kid.