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Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:30:52 AM   
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Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy

This is an idea I can see as having merit.  Dear Leader might yet earn for himself a name.


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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:32:56 AM   
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CL what is up with the 'Dear Leader' bit?

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:36:47 AM   
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CL what is up with the 'Dear Leader' bit?

Given the slavish adoration the President Elect's followers have for him, to the extent of discontinuing all pretense of critical thought regarding either the person or his policies, it seems vastly more fitting to attach to him a reference that resonates that manner and level of brainwashing.

"Dear Leader" is the preferred appellation of North Korea's Kim Jong-il.


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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:50:21 AM   
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Its a bit annoying that you lump every person that supports Obama as slavish devotees and IMO it detracts from what you are trying to say. But.. you probably know that and don't care.

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:51:32 AM   
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Amen. More than a bit.




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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 11:56:50 AM   
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that's what i love about this country ITS FREEDOM OF SPEECH but in politically Correct agenda World we can't have That for someone somewhere will get offended can't have that can we Sheeple

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:08:53 PM   
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``The difficulty is assuring the American people that the bailout money won't simply defer the company's failure for six to 12 months,'' Bienenstock said.
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The difficulty is in convincing ME. First of all I don't remember exactly who but a few on this board have been discussing "Rewarding failure" quite a bit. I think we need new blood in there. These people should have been fired.

The first couple of things that need to be done is to get out of the retirement business and make some changes in production methods. If I am the employer I will tell the unions to get a new contract ready, because we no longer offer retirement. This should be industry wide. GM did not agree to deal with retirement because they thought they were going to lose money, in fact they made money for some time doing it. But now I say prohibit them from doing it.

Instead offer the tax defferred option to establish an account. The worker decides what to invest in and what not to invest in. The companies are insulated. When retiree benefits exceed the cost of steel in a new car something must be done, it is that simple.

I think GM would have been able to weather this storm just fine if they had not decided to be an investment firm, bank and broker. Stick to building cars. For many years IMO GMs were the best US built cars. They were selling cars with efficient MPFI systems and sophisticated and reliable engine control which made them more efficient while the other big two still used distributors and carberators. They had independent four wheel suspension and even roller cams on cars you would never think would have these features. That's why everything in my driveway was built by GM.

But those are older, we are talking new here, and things are changing.

Looking at the bigger picture though, all in all these auto makers must deliver more reliable cars and expect to sell fewer. Buying a new car every year and just melting the old ones down costs money. We don't have it. Therefore an overall reduction of scale of operations is in order, but so be it. If you make cars that people will buy, sell them and support them well with good service and parts, and stay out of the banking and investment business, you can hold up through some tough times. But because of their folly in trying to be an investment firm, they made a vital industry vulnerable.

Just stop doing that and we should be OK.

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:11:30 PM   
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it seems vastly more fitting to attach to him a reference that resonates that manner and level of brainwashing.

"Dear Leader" is the preferred appellation of North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

This is going to be a long four years for you and it hasn't even started yet. All this negativity isn't going to change what the people have decided so you may as well sit back and wait for the first mistake rather than lavishing false praise on him for the purpose of having a go at his supporters.

< Message edited by Raechard -- 11/23/2008 12:12:42 PM >


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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:12:45 PM   
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that's what i love about this country ITS FREEDOM OF SPEECH but in politically Correct agenda World we can't have That for someone somewhere will get offended can't have that can we Sheeple


Or, you could consider that it adds nothing of substance to the discussion, only childish attitudes.

Call it runaway PC if you please. Others consider it maturity and addressing the topic instead of ad hominem.

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:45:23 PM   
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i gather musicYou didn't get the grasp of my statement SHEEPLE

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:47:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: camille65

CL what is up with the 'Dear Leader' bit?

Given the slavish adoration the President Elect's followers have for him, to the extent of discontinuing all pretense of critical thought regarding either the person or his policies, it seems vastly more fitting to attach to him a reference that resonates that manner and level of brainwashing.

"Dear Leader" is the preferred appellation of North Korea's Kim Jong-il.

Who has "slavish adoration" for Obama?  I certainly don't. Nobody I know who voted for him does.

This is one reason why I pay very little attention to what you write. If I want to read "slavish adoration" to right-wing talking points, I'll read littlegreenfootballs.

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 12:56:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: painpup

that's what i love about this country ITS FREEDOM OF SPEECH but in politically Correct agenda World we can't have That for someone somewhere will get offended can't have that can we Sheeple


So when did insulting CM members become political incorrect-ness?

One doesn`t get a pass on being a jerk by calling it freedom of speech.

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 1:29:27 PM   
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there's lots of jerks sure is no shortage here or in real world i've never passed on anything i'm kind and giving man but then again in God i TRUST  people i don't

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 1:37:17 PM   
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that's what i love about this country ITS FREEDOM OF SPEECH but in politically Correct agenda World we can't have That for someone somewhere will get offended can't have that can we Sheeple
A question painpup...while I agree he has a right to refer to our President elect as "dear leader"...you seem to object to others noting their displeasure with the habit.Care to explain how one is a free speech issue and the other isn't?

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 1:47:27 PM   
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Very well stated, Musicmystery.


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Or, you could consider that it adds nothing of substance to the discussion, only childish attitudes.

Call it runaway PC if you please. Others consider it maturity and addressing the topic instead of ad hominem.


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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 1:50:53 PM   
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well i never really cared for pc thugs now or then or ever... i did vote as well so i can bitch as well....  as for as me waving my freedom of speech flag that's my right to you all want change hell there isn't one us  that doesn't but this 2 party system is both to blame perhaps this next time baring that this wonderful country doesn't implode the 3rd party may be a practical approach

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 1:56:47 PM   
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Well ,painpup though you ran on and on in a never ending sentence,you actually never answered the question.Perhaps a judicious use of periods and punctuations might help to make your point!

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 2:02:06 PM   
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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 2:03:24 PM   
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My apologies....

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RE: Obama Team Said to Explore `Prepack' Auto Bankruptcy - 11/23/2008 2:34:25 PM   
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I'm just writing like a politician does Mike

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