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Evility -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:11:43 PM)

We may eventually come to realize that chastity is no more a virtue than malnutrition. - Alex Comfort




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:15:34 PM)

My "collar" is actually a bracelet, so that he can wear it all the time...  I still remember how casually he handed it back to me.  Funny, though, I made him a silver ring, and that he kept!  They're only things, though, and actions are more meaningful to me. 




LadyPact -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:27:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThundersCry

I actually moved to another city because I had to find out....s\deep down inside...so I could get involved in some groups...
 
I found what I wanted and needed in a very short time and I went away from the groups to train with her...I craved a...collar. Craved...it was intense to say the least...
 
My life will never be the same after my experiences with...her.
 
I never got that collar...I was very.....close...
 
Some things are not to be...
 
None the less...
 
I find it even more disturbing that those were your kind of observations where you were at those times to see the meaning of a collar... that....way..
 
Thats kinda stuff can wound some people way beyond repair...
 
Ahhh, but to have her look in my eyes and cry sayin`...*you were the best boy I have ever seen*....made it all worth it...
 
How things....change
 
Thx...for your answer


I have done this, in reference to clip.  In My eyes, he is the best submissive I have ever had.  I guess it depends on perspective.




DesFIP -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:28:04 PM)

I had talked to him intensively for about a month before we met. Then about a month after that first meeting he gave me a leather play collar. I wore that during play most of the time and about a year later he found a handmade silver necklace with a heart pendant. In the beginning I wore it all the time because we were LDR. These days I usually wear it but not if he's away for a couple of weeks. I don't feel the need to touch it and feel connected because we live together and I'm touching him most of the time.

My kids roll their eyes at our inability to run errands alone.  I go to Home Depot with him, he goes to the grocery store with me. We're inseparable as much as possible!

The collar itself was for me a statement that he was going to be there the next day, not just carve another notch in the bedpost and move on. For him it's much more a sign of marking territory. Plus as the necklace is hand made by a local artist it gets a lot of notice and compliments, he loves that.




kyraofMists -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:30:34 PM)

Someone made a post on here several years ago, that pizza and a movie to commemorate receiving a collar was not right, or something to that effect.  I just had to laugh because pizza and a movie is exactly what we did.

He and Alandra picked me up at the airport and we stopped by Boston Pizza to have dinner.  Then we went to the house and dropped off my stuff and then went to a movie that evening.  It was after ten, maybe even closer to midnight by the time we got home and I was completely exhausted.  Two hour difference in time and an early morning flight to get there...

He told us both to strip and then come down to the dungeon.  He was waiting for us there, made a few comments (can't recall them for the life of me now).  Then he had me kneel in front of him.  Alandra handed me the collar and showed me how he wanted it presented to him.  He then locked it around my neck and we went upstairs to have sex for the second time that day (the first was in the van on the way from the airport to dinner  [:D]) and then slept for several hours.

For us, the collar belongs to him and it is a physical representation that I belong to him.  He made it himself; it has his mark on it and the symbol of a cat that represents me.  No one else will ever wear that collar and I only wear it when he allows it.

Knight's Kyra




LadyPact -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:35:58 PM)

Never discount the quality of a good pizza!  It's one of the things that can win Me over when I'm on the fence.




kyraofMists -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:43:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Never discount the quality of a good pizza!  It's one of the things that can win Me over when I'm on the fence.


LOL

You know as I was writing that post, I realized that one of the most special days of my life in the last four years and I cannot remember what kind of pizza I had, what movie we went to, what he actually said.  I remember the sex though  *g*

Such a poor slave I am....  LOL

Knight's Kyra




LadyPact -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 7:48:58 PM)

I am a great one for the simple pleasures in life.  That includes food.  The submissive who feeds Me properly after a good scene, while I am still buzzing, with something wonderful for the palate, will get extra points.  Pizza, eggs, and chocolate are on My list. 

My best to your Lord, and your sister.  I often think of you fondly.




lronitulstahp -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 8:24:32 PM)

Thank you so much for your reply....
quote:

The collar itself was for me a statement that he was going to be there the next day, not just carve another notch in the bedpost and move on. For him it's much more a sign of marking territory.


And kyra, you know how highly i regard your family....(and not just Knight's hawtness....lol)
quote:

For us, the collar belongs to him and it is a physical representation that I belong to him.  He made it himself; it has his mark on it and the symbol of a cat that represents me.  No one else will ever wear that collar and I only wear it when he allows it.


Thanks everyone for all the replies so far....




LPslittleclip -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 8:54:20 PM)

i was fairly new to the lifestyle when i met my M'lady, at the time i was only looking for a play partner. now after being collared for a year in a poly family it is such a wonderfull thing to be a part of. as to the original question the collar is what you make of it. for some i have seen it eas only used as a label to identify the person as owned property. for my M'lady and i the collar represented a significant thing for A/all involved. i got to help pick out my formal collar at domcon 07. i wear it on 24/7, i wear my formal collar when with my M'lady. i am very proud to wear it in public, for me it is a honor to do so.




oceanwynds -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/18/2008 8:54:42 PM)

I don't have a collar but I am in a serious Ds relationship. When I was married, I seldom wore my wedding band, I am just strange that way. Sir surprised me one day when we went shopping. I saw a necklace that I liked and was ready to pay for it, but he bought it for me to wear. I wear it while doing tarot readings, channeling or meditating. The necklace is very special and dear to me. As far as being owned, i never have been the type that needed outward objects to let others know i belong to someone. I do not see myself though as being above anyone who does wear a collar or wedding band. It is just how I am and found someone who feels the same way.
oceanwynds




MaamJay -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/19/2008 2:34:48 AM)

Master collared me (violet) 2 years after He and i began living together. By then, we both knew this is what we wanted, that we were ready for that level of commitment. Together we designed a silver identity style bracelet, with a woven design (to match rings we'd bought to commemorate our commitment to consideration after 5 months of living together), and the bracelet has a gold v[A] in the centre. It can and is worn continuously, and is discreet enough to be worn in any company. For Us it is a symbol of a commitment intended to be lifelong and we both treasure it.

violet[A] aka Maam Jay




DavanKael -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/19/2008 6:48:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

So after 2720 posts, i am finally starting a thread.

Recently, it's been brought to my attention that my attitude towards collaring may be a bit snobbish.  i always prided myself on the fact that i've never been collared.  i felt that it meant i wasn't one of the "herd".  That my D/s relationships were somehow more authentic without the trappings and pageantry i associated with certain protocols; that somehow, my TIH, HOH, and DD based relationships were different.  i was of the mind that the collar symbolized something for some, but wasn't anything special, or needed in my case.  That i could be "mentally collared, and just as dedicated...blah blah blah...."

“He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument”[;)]
~Shakespeare

i think alot of my bravado has been based on the "what if?" factor. There's that scary idea once you're collared, what happens next? 
 
 i 'd like to know if some of you would share your collaring stories.... tell what the collar itself symbolized...those of you with some BDSM historical background, please share that as well. 
 
Let me say, i know this subject has been discussed at length....but please, contribute nonetheless.


Hi, Ironitulstahp----
Of course, different things work for different folks and what's right for one isn't necessarily right for another. 
I applaud your interospection on the matter; clearly it is important to youto create a thread after so many posts. 
I was in a vanilla marriage for almost 15 years.  I would have loved to have him come to understand my D/s needs and it would have been wonderful to be able to wear his collar as well as our wedding bands.  That never came to pass. 
Few years, ago, I was in a relationship with a strong D/s component (Also poly-) and I was on the D-side of that kneel. Very strong emotional bond to that individual; of a spousal level.  There was never a formal collar but as part of his Christmas present one year, I made him a sterling silver necklace (With rather gorgeous balinese silver beads) and made myself a matching bracelet; the necklace was an outward sign to both he and I of him being Mine, and whenever I looked at the bracelet, it reminded me of him, whenever he looked at his necklace, it reminded him of Me, and also, specifically, oftten made me think of him on his knees in proximity to me, perhaps with my hand on his shoulder so that the 2 pieces were near one another.  It was, to me, a beautiful symbology. 
The past year, I was in a relationship where we functioned as partners.  People 'in the know' in his life made the assumption that I was formally His and that I was collared to Him.  People at large often made the assumption we were married, and if they were in the know about wiitwd, they assumed I was collared to him as well, thus was the energy between us.  I would have liked to wear His collar, and was told that I would be but for his perception was that his primary relationship dictated otherwise at the time.  I know that he enjoyed people believing I belonged to Him (And, truly, but for the holdbacks, which the collar, imo, symbolized, I did) except as the relationship hit rocky ground.  Even then, though, I think he liked the fantasy to a degree; there was a time when I was taking all of my jewelry off in a symbolic gesture and I'd come to wear a necklace at collar-length and went to take that off along with everything else and he asked me to leave it on.  I, of course, did.  A collar, there, would have made me feel that the relationship were on more firm footing, that there was a commitment, that I was not optional. 
So, for me, a collar has powerful symbology, that of commitment and a level of permanence. 
Best wishes, 
Davan




Surata -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/19/2008 7:16:07 AM)

I already have a symbolic pendant around my neck that I will be taking with me to my grave, so a collar is a moot point for me. 




bound4more -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/19/2008 3:23:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

So after 2720 posts, i am finally starting a thread.

Recently, it's been brought to my attention that my attitude towards collaring may be a bit snobbish.  i always prided myself on the fact that i've never been collared.  i felt that it meant i wasn't one of the "herd".  That my D/s relationships were somehow more authentic without the trappings and pageantry i associated with certain protocols; that somehow, my TIH, HOH, and DD based relationships were different.  i was of the mind that the collar symbolized something for some, but wasn't anything special, or needed in my case.  That i could be "mentally collared, and just as dedicated...blah blah blah...."

“He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his argument”[;)]
~Shakespeare

i think alot of my bravado has been based on the "what if?" factor. There's that scary idea once you're collared, what happens next? 
 
 i 'd like to know if some of you would share your collaring stories.... tell what the collar itself symbolized...those of you with some BDSM historical background, please share that as well. 
 
Let me say, i know this subject has been discussed at length....but please, contribute nonetheless.


What happens next for me is - uhm - reality. It's always there - I mean I haven't experienced being wisked off into some never never land where people view things completely differently, bills are magically paid, and I live in a castle among other slaves who all have their specific functions and yadda yadda. My collar, or I suppose it may be more appropriate to say his collar, has the significance of permanence for me. I am his now and forever. It's a deep commitment and an understanding that this is IT.
 
For us it's a marriage containing a specific agreement  - that being he is Dominant and I am submissive. Now were we programmable robots that might play out perfectly. Being that we're both human, it includes challenges of various sorts. Some of those challenges present themselves in the form of me learning who he is, what he likes and doesn't like, what's important to him and what isn't. Learning the boundaries in regard to the "liberty" he permits me and how to reel myself back in when he's feeling less liberal or even demanding. This collar serves to remind me that I am his and that means to me that I made some very clear agreements and vowed to strive to always adhere to them. It also says that I have agreed to allow him to mold me into what is pleasing to him, to relinquish my ideas about what a slave is or isn't in favor of his.
 
Do I need this reminder? No. It's not absolutely necessary. But it is a nice statement nonetheless, just as the tattoo he had placed on me. I believe when he looks at the collar around my neck or his mark on this body, he feels a sense of satisfaction and ownership. They serve to remind him that I am his to command, to use and to train.
 
They do not represent entrapment or "no escape". I am always free to leave if I ever wish to. As a matter of fact, if that truly is my desire, he would prefer I go. But I wear this collar with gratitude and a slight smile in vanilla situations, knowing we have this sweet secret.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/19/2008 5:46:37 PM)

I tend to wear necklaces from my dominants. We usually have play collars. About a year ago I started a thread talking about a collar I thought i was going to get and that I wanted it to have meaning but I didn't think it did. So back then my Warden said it meant something and was a "little serious". It didn't have to mean everything but it had to mean something. So I accepted it. So i could see our relationship not progressing past a certain point. Like vanilla dating where no actual committment happened. We ended up breaking up and I gave him the collar back and said maybe someday he would give it to me and actually mean it or give it wholeheartedly to someone else.

We are back together again now and with a greater commitment. He is not pulling away and is taking greater care and responsibility of me. But i have not got back the collar and when we have talked about it I have said, with tears"'we are not ready for it. We are prepared for the symbolic meaning of the return of that collar to be very important. It is him saying he will love me with his last dying breath. i certainly don't want it without it meaning all that I want it to mean about the depth of his feeling. We are not ready for it. i have accepted jewelery. A necklace i wear that he gave me. Worth more than the collar. That collar will be intense. But its the value and meaning that has been placed in it. For me its along the same line as an engagement ring.




leadership527 -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/20/2008 7:15:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp
 i 'd like to know if some of you would share your collaring stories.... tell what the collar itself symbolized...those of you with some BDSM historical background, please share that as well. 
To ME, the collar is the visible sign of my wife's decision to become my slave.  It is a bit of love wrapped around her neck, reminding me how deeply she loves, trust, and respects me.  I'm actually kind of intrigued that the collar means something to me when so much of the other symbology of BDSM does not. 

To HER:  The collar is something I like to see around her neck, nothing more.  She invests all her emotional content in the wedding ring.  Frankly, I think she became mine a long time ago when we were married it's just neither one of us realy knew it which is why the collar didn't add much into her emotional symbology.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/20/2008 7:34:09 AM)

I've been on both sides of the collar, and it's been an exceptional experience in both directions -- the details are a bit long-winded, though, so if you're interested, I'll be glad to share in CM... and if a few folks are interested, with the understanding that it's a pretty long story, I'll be happy to share here.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/20/2008 7:38:46 AM)

I'm a Quasi-Snob when it comes to collaring.  I don't view it as being something earned by a submissive.  I view it as a symbol of commitment in a D/s relationship.

I really don't have a set list of things somebody should learn or do in order to recieve a collar from me.  It's matter of if they are really mine and if I really want them and if there is a two way commitment to a D/s relationship.

There are a lot of mental and emotional aspects behind collaring somebody.

A collar for it to have any meaning, it must be a meaningful thing to do.  Some people wear collars without much meaning behind it.  Still a collar can have great meaning in a meaningful D/s relationship.

I'm sort of a snob about collaring, it's not something I take lightly.  Collars themselves don't make a D/s relationship a D/s relationship.  It's a bit like wedding rings or engagement rings.  There has to be a real meaning behind the relationship to begin with for there to be any meaning to the collar.




2Fiesty -> RE: Reluctance in collaring (11/20/2008 7:57:25 AM)

*leadership527
"Happily practicing a no non-stupid limits relationship"
-----
lol at double negative- so you're not practicing non-stupid limits, does that mean you are practicing stupid limits?
I think you meant you are practicing a common-sense no limits relationship?

-Edit (characters like the 'at' symbol and the ampersand dont translate well)




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