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slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 5:28:30 PM)
I knew I could count on you.....

celticlord2112 -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 5:35:54 PM)
Seriously, mike, what manner of Irishman are you posting about Michael Collins while drinking Jack's? Shouldn't it be Jameson's or Bushmills?

slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:04:52 PM)
Well CL in my defence Jack's is a habit I first picked up at a young and tender age.Firmly believing in picking a specialty and being good at....I have practiced for years and achieved a level of proficiency one can be proud of.

Satyr6406 -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:04:59 PM)
Okay. I am going to end this argument; once and for all I am NOT a terrorist. Michael P. Xxxxxxx

slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:06:04 PM)
Well satyr having read a number of your post's......

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:07:32 PM)
quote: Michael Collins never heard of him...but, of course, i avoid the news.

slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:09:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia quote: Michael Collins never heard of him...but, of course, i avoid the news. Ignorence is never something to be celebrated....rather it is something to be attended to.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:11:50 PM)
i don't see it as ignorance, i see it as avoiding depressionary BS...LOL

slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:14:01 PM)
And historical figures,one dead almost a hundred years often feel like depressionary BS to you....so why post on the thread .

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 6:16:06 PM)
nevermind then

meatcleaver -> RE: Michael Collins (11/16/2008 10:47:41 PM)
The term terrorist did exist then and was quite an old word. 'Finnians' were called terrorists during the 19th century. What changed in Collins' time was that socialism was on the rise in the British workingclass and the British government was quite sensitive about wafting the fire. Britain itself had at times been close to rvolution, as Churchill said about unemployment insurance in 1911(?), avoiding revolution for 12 shillings and 6 pence is cheap at the price. The USA called Sitting Bull a 'terrorist' and threatened to invade Canada for harbouring a 'terrorist'. (I read that in the museum of the RCMP) in Regina(I think). It seems a matter of politics as to when a desenting group is labeled terrorists or not.

osocurious -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 12:19:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni I had a great uncle executed by the British. He was IRA at the beginning. just saying :) did he deserve it?? ... just wonder'n :) quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Truer words have NEVER been spoken [sm=applause.gif]

Darias -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 2:13:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Now CL would you not be the first to defend my inalienable right to choose my own form of libation? I may not agree with what you drink, but I shall defend to the last drop your right to drink it! (with apologies to The Friends of Voltaire) what does it say about me that what came to mind at this quote wasnt voltaire but an episode of futurama?

MadAxeman -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 2:41:56 AM)
Bender, my co-worker. Now there was a terrorist

meatcleaver -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 4:43:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osocurious quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni I had a great uncle executed by the British. He was IRA at the beginning. just saying :) did he deserve it?? ... just wonder'n :) The irony is, it was the executions of the 15 leaders and not the uprisings (which causedabout 500 deaths, mainly civilians) that really was the catalyst that led to home rule. It united the Irish nationists and many English were revulsed by it too. So indirectly, taking up arms did get the result the leaders wanted but not in the way they had in mind. Without the executions of the leaders, there priobably wouldn't have been enough solid support in Ireland for home rule.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 4:49:39 AM)
quote: what does it say about me that what came to mind at this quote wasnt voltaire but an episode of futurama? Too much TV and not enough scotch.

slvemike4u -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 6:05:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: osocurious quote: ORIGINAL: rexrgisformidoni I had a great uncle executed by the British. He was IRA at the beginning. just saying :) did he deserve it?? ... just wonder'n :) The irony is, it was the executions of the 15 leaders and not the uprisings (which causedabout 500 deaths, mainly civilians) that really was the catalyst that led to home rule. It united the Irish nationists and many English were revulsed by it too. So indirectly, taking up arms did get the result the leaders wanted but not in the way they had in mind. Without the executions of the leaders, there priobably wouldn't have been enough solid support in Ireland for home rule. In fact the Irish population scorned the occupiers of the GPO,they were spit on and rediculed as they were marched off to prison.The curious decision by the Brits to drag out the executions,rather than shoot the whole lot of them at the same time,blew up in their face.Collins and de Velera both were slated for execution but the public relations disaster led the British to put a halt to weekly exercise.A decision they might have come to regret.

pahunkboy -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 6:44:46 AM)
Well the thing is- the Irish have the balls to not cave into this dreadful globalization! Long live the nation state!!! fuck globalism!

Darias -> RE: Michael Collins (11/17/2008 6:48:36 AM)
pmsl we do???

gumshoe -> RE: Michael Collins (11/18/2008 1:50:16 PM)
Resentment of British mis-rule in the Twenty-Six Counties is understandable enough. The British Aristocracy had a deplorable laise-faire attitude that put profits before people. Hence the potato famine and the everlasting ill-will it seems to have produced in some folks. 'We couldn't care less if you starve so long as we're maximising profits.' That said, I don't if the working class in Scotland, Wales and indeed England would have received any better treatment from the said Aristocracy. So yes I suppose it could be safely said that Michael Collins did have a popular mandate, perhaps not just in Ireland, to end British rule there. Everyone living there wanted them out. I'm not so sure that the same could be said of the IRA everyone generally talks about the Provisional IRA, which broke away from the Official IRA in the early '70s. Some folks in the remaining six counties (Ulster) wanted to be part of the Irish Republic and the rest wanted things to stay as they were. Not everyone living there wanted them out. Using violence PIRA pursued an agenda that didn't have a popular mandate and to me that qualifies it as a terrorist body.

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