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doing time to stay alive - 11/13/2008 6:52:28 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		The way the current US health care system is, criminals receive medical treatment paid for by US taxpayers while in prison. Law abiding citizens do not. My question is, how many people know someone with an expensive chronic or life threatening condition who has deliberately committed a crime so they could stay alive? Considering the way the system is set up in the US, the idea doesn't sound too far fetched.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/13/2008 7:06:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Pretty soon we'll all be "doing time" (using government funded health care)

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/13/2008 7:30:25 PM   
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The way the current US health care system is, criminals receive medical treatment paid for by US taxpayers while in prison. Law abiding citizens do not. My question is, how many people know someone with an expensive chronic or life threatening condition who has deliberately committed a crime so they could stay alive? Considering the way the system is set up in the US, the idea doesn't sound too far fetched.

Considering the number of lawsuits against prisons for substandard health care, I seriously doubt anyone will head there for treatment.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/13/2008 9:21:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
Considering the way the system is set up in the US, the idea doesn't sound too far fetched.


         How do you figure that, Defia?  The problem with our safety net isn't that it leaves the destitute with no better option than this, it's that you must be completely destitute before you qualify. 

        Maybe someone with advanced cirrhosis of the liver and alcoholic dementia would think this a good plan, but the worst of welfare is going to be better than the best of prison.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 12:02:41 AM   
tweedydaddy


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Status: offline 		Being locked up at the mercy of rapists and junkies in a cloistered atmosphere rife with aids and TB would not be my idea of health care.
It's natural to assume that everyone else is doing better than you and having an easy time, but trying to survive the zoos that are prisons would not constitute a better lifestyle. If big fred wants your arse every night and your weekly shower is full of hostile hard cocks, it wouldn't really do you any good.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 1:01:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The way the current US health care system is, criminals receive medical treatment paid for by US taxpayers while in prison. Law abiding citizens do not. My question is, how many people know someone with an expensive chronic or life threatening condition who has deliberately committed a crime so they could stay alive? Considering the way the system is set up in the US, the idea doesn't sound too far fetched.


Health care for prisioners in most states is positively horendous.  And there have been instances of folks dying from serious illnesses, sometimes treatable, being 'paroled' to allieviate the cost of care to the state other other govermental body.
 
Similarly, seriously ill veterans have been forced out of the service and when they sought care at Veterans Hospitals -- which are immune from suit for malpractice -- they have been denied or deprived..
 
There really is a gap in the 'saftety net' and for many folks, preventive care is no longer possible.  Sometimes emergency medical care is denied.  When care is provided, often times it is driven by the coverage of the insured.  There is discretion among medical practiioners as to what diagnostic tests to run, and hopitals have policies about providing expensive care to the uninsured and underinsured.
 
It is common to require an MD to sign an agreement when enrolling him as a primary care provider under an indemity plan or HMO.  Most such contracts provide financial incentives to MDs who refrain from referring a patient to specialists, etc.  A few contain abusive provisions which can deprive a MD of his livliehood if he violates these clauses.  What makes them so vile is that they are not appied on a case by case basis.  Even if an MD practices oncology, e.g. he will be told his entire patient load cannot be operated on or elsewise furnished care at a more expensive level as to his entire practice, leaving his patients to compete among themselves, though few realise that it is happening.
 
The root cause of all this is the struggle of insurance companies, hospitals and medical providers to reap a profit.  If we had a NHS, and greed was no longer the motivating force, this problem would be solvable.
 
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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 1:19:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Pretty soon we'll all be "doing time" (using government funded health care)


I hope Obama succeeds. Unfortunately, any health care plan he passes will have to make it  through Congress first and they are the ones who always get paid not to pass it.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 1:36:43 AM   
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How do you figure that, Defia?  The problem with our safety net isn't that it leaves the destitute with no better option than this, it's that you must be completely destitute before you qualify. 

       Maybe someone with advanced cirrhosis of the liver and alcoholic dementia would think this a good plan, but the worst of welfare is going to be better than the best of prison.


In my state, the maximum income a single person can have in order to qualify for Medicaid is $196 a month. Ever wonder why so many homeless people commit crimes, especially in the winter? Perhaps you could tell me how anyone can live on $196 a month? Living with a friend wouldn't work because all household income has to be reported. If it's not reported, both people can be prosecuted for fraud.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 2:17:36 AM   
SilverMark


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Status: offline 		As bad as Medicaid may be, I have never heard of anyone willing to do time to get health care.
For the most part the folks just go to the public hospital and then don't pay the bill.
Homeless will do things to go to the county lock-up in the winter, that I have heard of...the
old 3 hots and a cot. State Penetentiary....I'm thinking the care there isn't too damn good!

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 3:35:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

The way the current US health care system is, criminals receive medical treatment paid for by US taxpayers while in prison. Law abiding citizens do not. My question is, how many people know someone with an expensive chronic or life threatening condition who has deliberately committed a crime so they could stay alive? Considering the way the system is set up in the US, the idea doesn't sound too far fetched.


I don't know anyone that desperate.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 4:09:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		The revolving door on the justice system includes those who are homeless as well. There was an engineer that worked at Ford who robbed a bank just to have a place to live. He's just the one that made the news, but how many have done, are doing/considering and will do the same things? It's not too far off to include health care in that equation with 2 hots and a cot.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 6:24:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I knew a lady who kept getting arrested because she said she didn't skills to get a good job. She liked the idea of someone else taking care of her and by the time I met her, she had spent more time in jail than out.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 6:41:17 AM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		Some people have to take medication that costs over $1000/ month. I know if I was ever in a situation where I would die without medication or other treatment (cancer, etc) I couldn't afford,  I would commit a crime and go to prison if I had to in order to stay alive.  Then I would make sure the media knew why I did it and hope my case made national headlines. I really hope Obama can find a way to stop health insurance and pharmaceutical companies from paying off the house and senate so universal health care can become a reality.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 6:52:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Congress has good insurance. Maybe people run for office just for the health care.

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RE: doing time to stay alive - 11/14/2008 6:56:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remember peoople who broke windows in big stores to get into the Detroit House of Correction  during the winter so they would have a meal and a warm place to stay. You can go down to detroit or and other city and see people lined up at the shelters at night. Some of them get turned away because of lack of space.

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