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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 9:06:05 AM   
LadyEllen


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You need low fat (preferably PC approved) beef mince for bolognese.

But the single most important thing - and I cannot stress this enough people - is to get the spaghetti right. Overcooked spaghetti, even by one minute, is disgusting, slimy and vile - undercooked meanwhile is even worse. Lots of people here refuse to eat pasta of any variety - having eaten it cooked as if it were boiled potatoes, and not found the experience agreeable.

Meanwhile of course, I, the great LadyE, get it right every time - just like mama makes it!

My Dolmio day is today, by the way.

E

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 9:07:39 AM   
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Well, I want the greasy stuff. I've had the lean stuff and unless it is cooked rare it has the consistency of sawdust.

I am not saying eat all the grease, you leave most of it in the pan, or down in the coals on the grill. I'm just saying that for the best results the grease is needed during cooking.

And cook it must, I have stopped eating lean ground beef unless I grind it myself, understand how e-coli is transmitted. When you have a slab of beef in a place where they are chopping up cows, it is possible for some "poop" as you put it to get on the meat.However it will be on the surface and when you cook it you wind up sterilizing it, and most people wash it first. Can't do that with ground meat, so now I cook it. I also contracted ringworm once, most likely from an undercooked burger.

I have actually ground my own beef and there was absolutely no fat in it, however I was quite confident that I could cook it very rare, and it was great. If you tried to make a burger medium well it would be like shoe leather.

I don't know how y'all do it, but in the case of meatballs for instance they are fried before they go into the vat of spaghetti sauce, most of the grease never gets there. The sausage grease I want though. During the cooking process the grease is stirred in three times, and then skimmed off the last time.

In the case of stuffed cabbage or peppers, it is a similar process although a bit more difficult. Most of us throw in some tomato sauce and that can make it a bit hard. You have to tilt the pan and get the sauce with minimal grease. When leftover time comes it's easy, in the fridge it hardens and you simply remove it.

So I say this, grease is not poison, but is also not quite desirable. It is required for cooking though. In certain things it is too difficult to seperate the grease, in that case leaner ground meat is warranted. I have heard that adding milk to the mix can help make it a bit more ,,,, well less like sawdust. I know not everybody can/will do that. IIRC it is against Jewish and possibly other religious traditions, and if you're lactose intolerant that would be another good reason not to do it.

Ironically, with my dandy little meat grinder, stuffing horn and all that, I want to make my own sausage. The biggest problem I've run into is finding suitable fat. Sausage, like ground meat needs fat to cook properly, and if you spice it as you would sausage, the fat seems to activate the spices, for lack of a better term. But that doesn't mean you eat all of that grease.

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 9:14:48 AM   
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There are other things you can use for moisture other than fat. If you are making burgers or meatloaf or meatballs and want to use lean meats you can add onions and tomatoes to make it moist.

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 9:16:32 AM   
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Unless you know a hog farmer.....

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=16079



That was like a train wreck. I could not stop reading it and I freaking have ribs I'm supposed to cook.
Dang it.

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 10:07:00 AM   
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I found the idea of someone being a foot morphologist rather intriguing; I dont recall that particular job being so much as mentioned by the school career advisor.

But then neither was my job, although circus clown did make the cut for inclusion as a viable life path I recall.

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 11:38:55 AM   
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pahunkboy,

Are you assuming they shove the entire turkey into the grinder?  I'm also wondering how "poop" would be involved.  They basically take the turkey meat, the same kind of stuff that you would eat at Thanksgiving, and grind it down.  Dark meat ends up 85%, white and some dark ends up at 93% and the actual breast ends up at 99%. 

I've been eating only turkey, I don't eat red meat, for years now.  If I've been ingesting poop in whatever ungodly way you are imagining I'm no worse off for it I suppose.




how then can Aldis sell a pound of ground turkey for $2.49?

it sure is blah the next day.  I am not so quick to think white meat is any better.  I bought an apple pie. The me of the past could eat it...but I am so tuned into the nothing that the sugar is that the pie will sit.

I dont know how they ground it up.  I probaly do not want to see it either.  Birds are messy and carry disease.  The stores will sell anything... even if it means dying the meat to look red. and based on melemine in milk, I cant say I trust the grid.   Lets not get me started on processed, or high fruitose corn syrup.   look at how unhealthy people look in 2008, visably bad- worse then even 10 years ago.

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 12:09:01 PM   
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"how then can Aldis sell a pound of ground turkey for $2.49? "

Because you won't wait for it to go down to $1.99. I am not kidding, turkeys are one of the cheapest things to raise for food. They make more money on turkey than almost anything else. And while it is not poison, it is not the most nutritious thing to eat.

Lots and lots of institutions use almost exclusively turkey, like jails and such. They got turkey bacon, turkey ham and all this type of stuff, and it is cheaper, yet sometimes commands a higher price out at the supermarket because it is percieved as being healthier. Those who think so have not done their homework. Turkey does have fairly complete protien, but red meat is better. But then turkey is much lower in fat, so each must decide what is important to himself.

I digressed into sausage, so let me now digress into something else. Hot dogs. It has been said that if knew what was in them you would never eat one, but I have grown beyond that. I mean we are talking eyeballs, BALLS, all kinds of organs and stuff we would never touch. However they have been turned into a palattable form by very fine grinding. There is also a special spice they use, I know we used to have some because I used it by mistake and my sloppy joe's tasted like hot dogs. I can't remember what it's called.

At any rate, my thinking changed because despite the grossness of it, you see all those organs and things, we have them as well. The animals have been fed nutrients to keep these organs etc. healthy. We need those nutrients and they are lacking in most people's diet, and that is why I say it is very hard to be a vegetarian.

So in a hot dog, when you eat part of an eyeball it is quite possible that you are ingesting nutrients that will help your own eyes. Liver, kidneys and so forth all the same. They can't grow the meat without these nutrients, unlike plants that do not move or aspirate or anything of the sort. They require alot less nutrients than the body of a mammal. Ok plants do breathe, but they do not have lungs, which is something else in hot dogs. Everything but the snout they would say.

In fact, the sausage matter, what is the suasage casing ? It is a pig's intestines. Of course all the blood vessels and everything have been removed, and you are left with the membrane but remember this, there is a very similar membrane in your own body. Wouldn't it stand to reason that those nutrients needed to maintain the sausage casing in the animal from which it came might be beneficial to at the very least, the same part of your own body ?

Even ground beef, they are throwing things in that grinder that are not that attractive, and probably wouldn't sell. Like in the case of ground round, do you think they take a round steak that sells for four bucks a pound, grind it up and sell it for around half that price ? They would have to be nuts. But the fact still remains, those cuts of beef they throw in the grinder have nutritional value. Perhaps more than our beloved porterhouse or prime rib.

T

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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 12:09:14 PM   
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<snip> I want to make my own sausage. <snip>




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RE: hamburger value? - 11/11/2008 12:15:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: donnaamarie

pahunkboy,

Are you assuming they shove the entire turkey into the grinder?  I'm also wondering how "poop" would be involved.  They basically take the turkey meat, the same kind of stuff that you would eat at Thanksgiving, and grind it down.  Dark meat ends up 85%, white and some dark ends up at 93% and the actual breast ends up at 99%. 

I've been eating only turkey, I don't eat red meat, for years now.  If I've been ingesting poop in whatever ungodly way you are imagining I'm no worse off for it I suppose.




how then can Aldis sell a pound of ground turkey for $2.49?

it sure is blah the next day.  I am not so quick to think white meat is any better.  I bought an apple pie. The me of the past could eat it...but I am so tuned into the nothing that the sugar is that the pie will sit.

I dont know how they ground it up.  I probaly do not want to see it either.  Birds are messy and carry disease.  The stores will sell anything... even if it means dying the meat to look red. and based on melemine in milk, I cant say I trust the grid.   Lets not get me started on processed, or high fruitose corn syrup.   look at how unhealthy people look in 2008, visably bad- worse then even 10 years ago.



$2.49 is not cheap. Poultry matures faster, hense it is cheaper to produce than a beef.


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