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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 1:50:33 PM   
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The above post is nothing more than your opinion....an opinion repudaited by the electorate.

Understand me well, Mike:

No man's opinion is ever repudiated by the electorate.  My opinion stands as mine, regardless of whether a majority of voting Americans see fit to agree or disagree.

Yes, the above is my opinion.  Damn straight and praise God that it is.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:03:35 PM   
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Dispute it if you like,but tell me would you trust this man,do you believe he acted honorably during this campaign?

What is dishonorable about supporting the man one knows is best suited to be President?  Or are we now reduced to being "right-thinking citizens" from whom dissent is no longer tolerated?

Lieberman did nothing dishonorable.  Quite the contrary.  Lieberman, unlike any others on the Democratic side of things, put the welfare of the country above his own immediate interests.

Granted, such ideals are considered unpatriotic in the noveaux regime this country has foolishly voted for itself, but Lieberman more so than even McCain is the politician who knows how to transcend party and be an American Senator and politician.

Dishonorable?  Hardly.  Treachery?  Not even close.  Only sin he committed was choosing not to be a part of Dear Leader's cult of personality.

Ultimate irony in all of this:  Hillary Clinton said this country could not afford another four years of the last eight years; the country seems to have disagreed with her.

And yet there are assertions made in the above quote that are presented with the surety of fact.Perhaps to lessen the confusion one shouldn't use phrase like
"supporting the man one KNOWS is best suited to be President"(italics and capitalization's are mine)A simple IMO would help,or perhaps even allowing that you might be wrong could alleviate the situation.Whichever way you choose to go works for me
Last point,you misstate the facts when you claim the country dissagreed with Hillary Clinton,in point of Fact she supported and urged others to vote for President elect Obama....a majority of voters in Fact agreed with her
Thanks for playing.

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:22:15 PM   
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Whichever way you choose to go works for me

I go the way I go. 


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:29:04 PM   
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Yep ,and that is why we(well me anyway) like you.Infuriating though you may be...
And still your assertions were opinion and in the case of the Hillary part downright misleading and WRONG.

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:33:17 PM   
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Yep ,and that is why we(well me anyway) like you.Infuriating though you may be...
And still your assertions were opinion and in the case of the Hillary part downright misleading and WRONG.

Opinion yes.  Never pretended otherwise.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:37:05 PM   
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Okay ,though you presented them as fact,I will let that go....but the Clinton part ,whether or not opinion, was simply wrong.In truth the country agreed with her,and rejected the opinion of treacherous(IMO) Joe Lieberman

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 2:50:09 PM   
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but the Clinton part ,whether or not opinion, was simply wrong

Was simply right.  Hillary Clinton said, quote "We don't need another four years of the last eight years."  She has not repudiated that statement.

The country has elected the individual most likely to perpetuate and even extend the statist excesses of the last eight years.  Thus the country has chosen a path that disagrees with Hillary Clinton's statement.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 3:00:35 PM   
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And to complete your line you asserted and I quote"the country seems to have disagreed with her"...WRONG she endorsed,supported and campaigned for President elect Obama......the Country agreed with her.And that is indisputable.

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 3:16:48 PM   
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Apples and oranges, Mike.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 3:18:17 PM   
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No ....your statement was not factual.Fruit has nothing to do with it.

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 3:20:13 PM   
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Here's Traitor Joe's next chairmanship:
http://assets.comics.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/60000/6000/100/266159/266159.full.gif

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 4:25:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

Dispute it if you like,but tell me would you trust this man,do you believe he acted honorably during this campaign?

What is dishonorable about supporting the man one knows is best suited to be President?  Or are we now reduced to being "right-thinking citizens" from whom dissent is no longer tolerated?

Lieberman did nothing dishonorable.  Quite the contrary.  Lieberman, unlike any others on the Democratic side of things, put the welfare of the country above his own immediate interests.

Granted, such ideals are considered unpatriotic in the noveaux regime this country has foolishly voted for itself, but Lieberman more so than even McCain is the politician who knows how to transcend party and be an American Senator and politician.

Dishonorable?  Hardly.  Treachery?  Not even close.  Only sin he committed was choosing not to be a part of Dear Leader's cult of personality.

Ultimate irony in all of this:  Hillary Clinton said this country could not afford another four years of the last eight years; the country seems to have disagreed with her.

The above post is nothing more than your opinion....an opinion repudaited by the electorate.But one in which you stubbornly cling to ,despite all evidence to the contrary.
How you can still put forth ths bullshit about 'best suited to the job",after McCain made a totally pandering and dangerous decision in placing the not ready for primetime Palin on the ticket is beyond me.
Of course your quite childish insistance on referring to the future President as our "dear Leader" does speak volumes....and is a starker comment on the rest of your post than the mods would ever allow me to make


Wow...
I have to admit that this one made Me raise My eyebrows.
An opinion is an opinion.  As such it is neither right or wrong.  It is, simply, an opinion.
If you choose to interpret CL's assessment of this as "his opinion" then don't say that his opinion was proven wrong by the electorate.
I have more respect for Joe Lieberman for standing up for what he felt was the right decision than if he had sat quietly on the sidelines and pretended to support his party's choice of candidate. 
I am, also wondering why, just because a majority voted for the PE, that makes him the best man for the job.  Again, all those votes are only opinions.  Just because more people have a certain opinion doesn't make anything right or wrong.  There have been many times in history when the majority opinion has proven to be the incorrect decision. 
Time will tell and even then we can never know what may have been different under a McCain presidency.


< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/11/2008 4:29:10 PM >


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 4:37:10 PM   
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Here's Traitor Joe's next chairmanship:

Senator Lieberman is not a traitor.  He has displayed principle and patriotism--both of which put him out of step with his fellow Democrats, but eminently in step with the American people.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 5:13:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

Dispute it if you like,but tell me would you trust this man,do you believe he acted honorably during this campaign?

What is dishonorable about supporting the man one knows is best suited to be President?  Or are we now reduced to being "right-thinking citizens" from whom dissent is no longer tolerated?

Lieberman did nothing dishonorable.  Quite the contrary.  Lieberman, unlike any others on the Democratic side of things, put the welfare of the country above his own immediate interests.

Granted, such ideals are considered unpatriotic in the noveaux regime this country has foolishly voted for itself, but Lieberman more so than even McCain is the politician who knows how to transcend party and be an American Senator and politician.

Dishonorable?  Hardly.  Treachery?  Not even close.  Only sin he committed was choosing not to be a part of Dear Leader's cult of personality.

Ultimate irony in all of this:  Hillary Clinton said this country could not afford another four years of the last eight years; the country seems to have disagreed with her.

The above post is nothing more than your opinion....an opinion repudaited by the electorate.But one in which you stubbornly cling to ,despite all evidence to the contrary.
How you can still put forth ths bullshit about 'best suited to the job",after McCain made a totally pandering and dangerous decision in placing the not ready for primetime Palin on the ticket is beyond me.
Of course your quite childish insistance on referring to the future President as our "dear Leader" does speak volumes....and is a starker comment on the rest of your post than the mods would ever allow me to make


Wow...
I have to admit that this one made Me raise My eyebrows.
An opinion is an opinion.  As such it is neither right or wrong.  It is, simply, an opinion.
If you choose to interpret CL's assessment of this as "his opinion" then don't say that his opinion was proven wrong by the electorate.
I have more respect for Joe Lieberman for standing up for what he felt was the right decision than if he had sat quietly on the sidelines and pretended to support his party's choice of candidate. 
I am, also wondering why, just because a majority voted for the PE, that makes him the best man for the job.  Again, all those votes are only opinions.  Just because more people have a certain opinion doesn't make anything right or wrong.  There have been many times in history when the majority opinion has proven to be the incorrect decision. 
Time will tell and even then we can never know what may have been different under a McCain presidency.

Point taken GoddessDustyGold,but read CL's post agan he claimed Lieberman "knew" McCain was the best man for the job.My point is Lieberman thought McCain was the best man for the job.Further point ,my claim that the electorate repudiated that opinion,is inarguable given the results
Most of the rest of it is simply CL and I tweaking each other noses,sorry if that caused you to raise your eyebrows...I hope no permanent damage was done...
As far as Lieberman is concerned I will repeat my opinion...Lieberman would have acted in a far more honorable way if he had restricted his support to positive statements concerning McCain,rather than straying into derogertory statements  regarding Obama...a man who had in the last mid-term election supported and stumped for him....and that is my opinion,stated clearly as such,no ambiguity between opinion and fact.

< Message edited by slvemike4u -- 11/11/2008 5:14:41 PM >


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 5:16:14 PM   
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Further point ,my claim that the electorate repudiated that opinion,is inarguable given the results

Your claim is ludicrous.  Opinions are not repudiated, not by one man, nor by a million men.  Line up the entirety of the world on your side and my opinion would still stand-- unaltered, unbowed, undefeated.

Such is the nature of opinions.  Such is the order of things.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 5:25:54 PM   
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Wow we haven't heard..."such is the order of things" in a good long while.
Would it go down better if I said ,given the results,th electorate rejected his and your opinion....hows that work for you does that qualify under the heading of...such is the order of things"

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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 5:35:42 PM   
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It does work better.  The electorate has, after all, rejected my views and my opinion.  That is reality.  But that rejection does not alter my views, nor will it.  Morphing opinions to fit the popular inclinations is for fools and cowards.


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RE: Keep your friends close,your enemies...... - 11/11/2008 5:49:46 PM   
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Never took you for either of those things CL.

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