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LadyEllen -> beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 4:45:04 AM)
I'm so glad Obama won - but I recall 1997 over here when Blair swept to a landslide victory over a Tory party that had become almost universally disliked; there was a feeling of gratefully received change, hope for a new future and all that. And everything went fairly well for the honeymoon period, but then the feeling began to change as time went on and various things came up that didnt show New Labour in the best light. All this culminated in the exasperatingly mysterious decision to support Bush in the Iraq invasion - against which thousands demonstrated, government ministers resigned and there was almost univeral resistance for a whole host of reasons that have been thrashed out here a million times. Now the US is a different country with its own circumstances (as well as many shared with us), and I truly hope that Obama lives up to the hopes resting on him. But "events, dear boy" happen, and it may just be that a sudden reality check comes out of them, despite Obama's better intentions. Beware the reality check - the opposition will certainly make much of it as will its allied media. The question though will remain the same - given the same events, would the opposition have done the same or offered a better alternative? As it was here with the Iraq war, the Tory opposition party voted for it with the New Labour government - only the Liberal Democrats opposed it and were accused of all manner of things as a result - but have since been more than vindicated on this and on the economy, where they were warning years ago about a consumer credit economy bound to collapse (and again were shouted down). Only time can tell. E

pahunkboy -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 4:57:29 AM)
Lady E, as I went to bed last night, it occurred to me Obamas comments on Iran. Chilling. This is change? Understanding that the prez is not the man who calls the shots- but a shadow cabal does. Buy precious metals, or food stuffs, the markets take a big hot next Monday- the tension will be national soveignty against globalism with globalism prevailing. at the end of the day- a globalist is still a globalist, even if the sky did open in Grant Park this past week....,

sirsholly -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 4:59:22 AM)
well said, LadyE!!

SilverMark -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:15:00 AM)
Obama will be held to a higher standard by those on both sides. You can see it in the criticism of his Chief of Staff selection and that is just the first decision he has made. Before him is a challenge that is beyond daunting, and he will be given little credit for the steps he takes until the effects are felt and if his solutions at all falter his opposition and those of tepid support for him will be the loudest. With each decision he will be hammered by those that wish to find fault long before success could possibly be seen. Good thing he has broad shoulders and isn't thin skinned, the weight of our country and the hate of those who are so good at it will all be on him.

pahunkboy -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:15:45 AM)
Obama is THE most liberal guy in the country. When he breaths the argon that expells is loaded liberal, almost like a dragon breath fire. yes-sir-e, the most LIBERAL guy on the planet- and in the entire history of civilization. He is coming to YOUR house in 20 minutes to take your guns and redistribute your wealth.If he does not protect the money oof the uber elite, then he will be destoryed. man oh man. liberal ooozes from his pours, his sweat and the argon in his lungs ALL EXHUDE the most liberal man on the planet. shhhh! dont tell anyone

windchymes -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:21:14 AM)
I'm just afraid that he's been so built up to be almost the second coming of Christ, that when he takes office and shows that he's actually just a human being and a politician, it's going to be a major letdown.

SilverMark -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:21:24 AM)
Understanding that the prez is not the man who calls the shots- but a shadow cabal does.<--------------huh? Pahunk....your last 2 posts seem a bit paranoid....did you move to Texas? and not tell anyone? What time do the Aliens land to take you away? Kennedy still living on that island with Elvis? And just what did they do with BigFooot? Inquiring minds want to know!

MzMia -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen I'm so glad Obama won - but I recall 1997 over here when Blair swept to a landslide victory over a Tory party that had become almost universally disliked; there was a feeling of gratefully received change, hope for a new future and all that. And everything went fairly well for the honeymoon period, but then the feeling began to change as time went on and various things came up that didnt show New Labour in the best light. All this culminated in the exasperatingly mysterious decision to support Bush in the Iraq invasion - against which thousands demonstrated, government ministers resigned and there was almost univeral resistance for a whole host of reasons that have been thrashed out here a million times. Now the US is a different country with its own circumstances (as well as many shared with us), and I truly hope that Obama lives up to the hopes resting on him. But "events, dear boy" happen, and it may just be that a sudden reality check comes out of them, despite Obama's better intentions. Beware the reality check - the opposition will certainly make much of it as will its allied media. The question though will remain the same - given the same events, would the opposition have done the same or offered a better alternative? As it was here with the Iraq war, the Tory opposition party voted for it with the New Labour government - only the Liberal Democrats opposed it and were accused of all manner of things as a result - but have since been more than vindicated on this and on the economy, where they were warning years ago about a consumer credit economy bound to collapse (and again were shouted down). Only time can tell. E No offense, Lady E, but I don't need a "reality check". President elect-Obama is stepping into one of the worse positions any US President has ever been in. Most newscasters compare him to FDR, who stepped into similar dire straits. Let's set the record straight just a little bit. The USA is in TWO wars, the economy is in the fucking toilet and we are damn near a Depression. Who the hell would even WANT the job? Many of us are cheering him for taking the whole situation on! As far as I know, President-elect Obama does not have "super powers". He is actually a human being. It would take a MIRACLE to straighten up our situation in less than 10 years. We are hoping, President elect-Obama can START to drag us out of the shit hole that our country is in. If anyone is expecting miracles from President elect Obama, THEY need a realtity check. Let's give him a break and a chance and cheer him on![:D] If after EIGHT years, President-elect Obama has made progress in getting us back on track. Many of us, will give him standing ovations, and yes Lady E, we will praise him until the end of time. President-elect Obama, is not GOD and he can't turn water into wine, nor a horrific situation into a wonderful situation in eight years. Many of us pray, he just makes things better. Give him a break already.

pahunkboy -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:30:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Understanding that the prez is not the man who calls the shots- but a shadow cabal does.<--------------huh? Pahunk....your last 2 posts seem a bit paranoid....did you move to Texas? and not tell anyone? What time do the Aliens land to take you away? Kennedy still living on that island with Elvis? And just what did they do with BigFooot? Inquiring minds want to know! lol. im joking on him being liberal. i am not joke over the 17th. when the g-20 fails- the asia markets will collapse followed by the US. fractional banking simply by design does not have enough money, also there is an attempt to get rid of Brenton woods,,, there in lies the problem. of course if you are bullesh on it- then invest in stocks... for that week.

SilverMark -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:35:18 AM)
You had me going there for a minute...Had yet to see you as conspiracy theorist but hey, you could have bumped your head or something.

sirsholly -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:41:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL:MzMia If anyone is expecting miracles from President elect Obama, THEY need a realtity check. i did not see what LadyE wrote as being anything other than what you have written here. I have gotten the impression that some are seeing Obama as a quick fix and an insta-cure...which he certainly is not. If i am wrong i am sure she will say so, but i feel it is these people she is addressing.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:41:53 AM)
i wish i could word things as nicely as Ms E. my words tend to come out wrong and are subject to attack without warning. all i can say on this subject is, many many Presidents in the past have tried and failed to "Balance The Budget" and drag us out of the proverbial "shit hole". but, keep in mind, the sides of said hole are slick. The term "Slippery Slope" comes to mind. If, but some miracle, he does set us on the right track, the guy that will follow in 4-8 years could unravel the whole thing, and "whoosh", back down in the hole we go. it's a neverending struggle that the rich win and the rest of us will always lose. As Ms E has stated, only time will tell.

TNstepsout -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:44:36 AM)
I do have high hopes for Obama, but I'm a realist. I know that nothing happens overnight. But at least now I feel that we have a leader that sees things properly and can begin to make good decisions for our future. I don't know anything about Blair or the Labor party in your country, so I can't really make a comparison, but Obama just doesn't seem like other politicians. Maybe he's just better at faking it, but he doesn't have that oily, arrogant veneer that seems to define "politician". So, maybe if he really is different, maybe he really can make a difference. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this time I won't be disappointed.

MzMia -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:45:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL:MzMia If anyone is expecting miracles from President elect Obama, THEY need a realtity check. i did not see what LadyE wrote as being anything other than what you have written here. I have gotten the impression that some are seeing Obama as a quick fix and an insta-cure...which he certainly is not. If i am wrong i am sure she will say so, but i feel it is these people she is addressing. Holly, I totally agree! I have to admit, I am going to defend President elect Obama until I have a reason not to. I am excited about him, happy for him, and yes I will be one of his staunches defenders. I have NEVER felt this way about any living President in my life time, and it is a great feeling, and I plan to enjoy it. [:D] If anyone thinks that a human being can step into a horrific economic situation, rising unemployment, bank bail outs, housing crisis, and TWO wars, and make "everything better" in a few months or even a years, they need psychiatric care. [;)]

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:50:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL:MzMia If anyone is expecting miracles from President elect Obama, THEY need a realtity check. i did not see what LadyE wrote as being anything other than what you have written here. I have gotten the impression that some are seeing Obama as a quick fix and an insta-cure...which he certainly is not. If i am wrong i am sure she will say so, but i feel it is these people she is addressing. Holly, I totally agree! If anyone thinks that a human being can step into a horrific economic situation, rising unemployment, bank bail outs, housing crisis, and TWO wars, and make "everything better" in a few months or even a years, they need psychiatric care. [;)] short of someone getting into the White House and declaring Dictatorship and imposing all the "Good Intentions" upon America, that is.

pahunkboy -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:51:02 AM)
.. Mark, the money pumped has doubled in the past 6 weeks. we all know fiat money has lesser value. the g-20 is meeting. the 15th. under the brenton wood agreement, the power is to stay in the US. but there are efforts to take the power away from the US. which in a way is a mute point- considering what the money is backed by. which leads us back to fractional banking, and what money is backed by. money is debt- we have passed the point where existing debt simply can never be repaid. the grid needs to bankrupt, but is delaying this and throwing good money after bad. I lost count of how many bail outs we even had. in 2008. trillions $ evaporated in the past 6 months. so a correction is on our doorstep. the man as prez does not have the power that we think they do. in order to rise politically one can not- with out going thru the toll gate of extremely damaging info that the grid can use against you if you do not comply with the ubber rich agenda. What is "change"? Obama will continue empire. right to the final gasp of air. from there the globalists then will be in total control. fascist even. ubber rich know know national allegience. it only knows resources. so if all hell breaks loose, which is bettter, a hamburger or a super discount club card double point extravaganza?

sujuguete -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:54:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNstepsout snip . . . Obama just doesn't seem like other politicians. Maybe he's just better at faking it, but he doesn't have that oily, arrogant veneer that seems to define "politician". So, maybe if he really is different, maybe he really can make a difference. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this time I won't be disappointed. I've been reading Robert Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, and on the eve of the election came across this quote: "Hitler started with less and all he had to peddle was hate. Hate always sells well, but for repeat trade and the long pull happiness is sounder merchandise." No, I don't trust that Obama is any different than any other politician. But yes, time will tell.

LadyEllen -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:54:44 AM)
About right SH thanks; we all (because this affects us too) have to trust in what we have seen in the man and understand that shit happens whereby he might not be able to live up to what we (and importantly he) might prefer and hope for. Although, even if the worst shit descends on what is a pretty shitty situation now, we can all be confident I'm sure that he will handle it better than either the previous incumbent or his recent rival. My support for him comes from one single fact; regardless of policies, the world is in a dire situation - in reality much is beyond the influence, still less the control of the person supposed to be the most powerful on the planet - but this is a man who can and does supply the one key ingredient to recovery - the ability to inspire everyone but the most resistant to play their part in trying to improve the situation. Put that alongside what is touted as new thinking (but seems more like old thinking plus some added common sense) and there was no competition in the election. E

BlackPhx -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:56:09 AM)
Yanno, I don't know about anyone else, but I don't expect Big Daddy Obama or any other Sugar daddy to waltz in wave a magic wand and miraculously cure all the ills our economy or society suffers from. It took a long time to topple this line of dominoes, it's going to take a bit to stand them all back up again. Despite what the naysayers and gloom mongers have to say Obama has already accomplished FOUR measures of change. 1. He is the second Youngest President ever. JFK was 43 to his 47. 2. He is the first African American to ever hold the office of President, proving once and for all that anyone CAN aspire to the office. 3. He broke the ennui that this country was in regarding voting. Most Precincts reported more than 80% turn out where 50% was normal. 4. He has inspired hope around the world for this country after the ill will that Bush earned us in the past 8 years. You know, that is pretty damned good for someone who hasn't even been sworn in, yet. Yes he is going to have to hit the ground running, but you know McCain would have had to as well. At least Obamas VP Biden doesn't need to take remedial Social Studies and Geography classes. No one is going to be completely happy with his team, rarely is it going to be the team they would have chosen. BUT he is choosing people he feels will fill in the areas he is weakest in. That is the smartest move he can make. Now, can we PLEASE, just get behind the Office if not the man and try to pull this country out of the spiral it has been in for the last 20 years? There are no magic wands, no magic solutions and if we don't make the effort, we are going to be sold to the highest bidder, just to keep food on the table. poenkitten

pahunkboy -> RE: beware the reality check......... (11/9/2008 5:58:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL:MzMia If anyone is expecting miracles from President elect Obama, THEY need a realtity check. i did not see what LadyE wrote as being anything other than what you have written here. I have gotten the impression that some are seeing Obama as a quick fix and an insta-cure...which he certainly is not. If i am wrong i am sure she will say so, but i feel it is these people she is addressing. Holly, I totally agree! I have to admit, I am going to defend President elect Obama until I have a reason not to. I am excited about him, happy for him, and yes I will be one of his staunches defenders. I have NEVER felt this way about any living President in my life time, and it is a great feeling, and I plan to enjoy it. [:D] If anyone thinks that a human being can step into a horrific economic situation, rising unemployment, bank bail outs, housing crisis, and TWO wars, and make "everything better" in a few months or even a years, they need psychiatric care. [;)] Mia, Im happy your happy. But sober up a bit. "it wont be easy" (budget cuts) "I need your help" (program cuts) "our time is now" (now I take credit for wall street bail outs) "it wont be easy" (more taxes even for YOU) "she would be on anybodies short list" (trust me) what do you think that "it wont be easy" means? if one thinks racial -no. it means the hand in your pocket for big business stays in your pocket. surely some good occurs by having a black man as prez. but that does not negate the fact that the world the grid created is ugly and getting worse. Obama is like a contract. The thing is, almost no one has SEEN the fine print. The thing is new solutions are needed, and tha remains to be seen

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