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stella41b -> Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:04:49 PM)

The people of the United States have elected Barack Obama to be their new President. I have witnessed the debates and the arguments over this election for the past 18 months and the past couple of days it would seem that Americans have woken up from a long sleep and have found their spirit. I witnessed the celebrations, watched the speeches, and have read numerous articles, threads, postings, etc and therefore am able to share in the sense of euphoria and happiness of an Obama victiory. But what does it mean for Americans? What does it mean for the rest of the world? And what does it mean for you?

Some people have said that this is a new era, for Americans now have a black President. I disagree somewhat here, and don't believe that it is a new era, but I strongly believe that it can be a new era - and that new era can be one of humanity and inclusivity.

You see I have a sincere hope when it comes to celebrating this victory of Obama making it to the White House. That hope is that one of the reasons behind the celebration of his victory is not because he is a black President, but rather because consideration of the colour of a candidate's skin or ethnicity is no longer an issue. Therefore I would hope that he was elected on the strength of his policies and for no other reason.

I am not American, but I am British, and I am proud to be British no.. I will rephrase that. I take a pride in being British and one of the reasons for this sense of pride is that I feel I am part of the world. This is partly due to the fact that not just me, but people who are also British come in all shapes and forms of humanity and that they are British irrespective of their skin colour, size, gender, sexual orientation and religious beliefs. I wonder how many of you out there feel the same. How many of you feel part of this world?

Race may be seen by some as just one issue, but for me there is no issue, there is one race - the human race. But here again race, or if you prefer skin colour (or shade) is but one part of this whole issue and that issue is humanity. I write this with reference also to the debate over same sex marriages recently in California. We are taught that marriage is a commitment between two people who love each other - traditionally a man and a woman - and who join together in matrimony to start a family. However there are successful families raised by same sex couples, so what is there to stop them getting married too?

Some would say religion. But is there a religion which exists which does not stand for love, kindness, and friendship shown towards one's fellow man? Is it really religion which stands in the way, or someone's own prejudices? Should not marriage be open to everybody who are capable of honouring their vows and creating a marriage out of love?

Love is not a heterosexual feeling, it is a human feeling, something someone feels, and needs, irrespective of who they are, and the same can be said about someone's need to be a part of a family. This can further be extended to say that we all need to feel part of a community, and part of society as a whole. Love is about as fundamental to someone - a human being - as freedom and life. It doesn't matter who you are, whether you are straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, you are still capable of giving and receiving love, you still need a family and are able to be a part of that family, you need to be a part of that community and are able to be so, and you are a part of society.

It isn't religion nor the Bible which prevents same sex marriages, but the fears, hostility, prejudice and hatred from other people. It is what I would describe as a mentality of exclusivity, of holding others up to a standard. Yes ideally in accordance with the words in the scriptures a man and a woman should come together to love each other eternally and to procreate and have children, but how many people actually live up to that ideal? Is it not hypocrisy to exclude some people because they cannot fulfill that ideal, but then accept others who do not live up to that ideal?

I cannot see any threat to the institution of marriage coming from allowing same sex couples to marry, none at all. It doesn't change the fact that the family is the bedrock of society, nor does it take away any of the importance of having children or being a parent. From what I can see allowing same sex marriages is something which is inclusive, and as such is something which makes communities and society much stronger through making them more unified.

This election victory no doubt will mean different things to different people. It will mean something completely different to someone living in say, Dothan Alabama than it will to someone like me here in London. However for me nothing can take away anything from the fact that during this election with not much it would seem to choose from Americans were able to think inclusively and not discount Obama for reasons of skin colour. However if one can think inclusively in terms of skin colour, then why not gender and sexual orientation?

This is not something I feel which is exclusively American, it isn't, but an issue which can be found anywhere you go in this world and irrespective if who you are and where you come from I am asking the same question. Is it really too much effort for people to start thinking inclusively?

Your thoughts and comments please.




kittinSol -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:11:46 PM)

I just think you're marvellous - forgive me for not writing more, as I am a little sozzled, but that's the truth. Thank you, Stella.




persephonee -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:23:13 PM)

Stella
i feel that i am a part of the world around me and do my level best to be inclusive. i sometimes feel that i have to protect my world from the ones that arent open minded. Sometimes i feel like the "others" are so many and so strong that i am outmatched. The election made me happy and warm inside. As to whether its a new dawn of inclusion...remains to be seen. Almost half the voting masses voted the other way...and that is not to say that they were voting 'against' inclusion...wouldnt want to start another flame fest over here.




Musicmystery -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:28:14 PM)

stella,

I don't want to get into debates with people over this, and I wish you'd chosen a different title for your thread.

Nonetheless, I was thinking about this today during a long afternoon walk. I've supported Obama for a few years. I was impressed with his convention speech in 2004, and happened to hear him speak more informally a few times after that, and again, I was impressed with his intelligence, responsiveness, and through command of the issues--not just party talking points. So I looked deeper, and liked his command of strategy, his willingness to delve into new, but not reckless, approaches, and to follow them aggressively. I also liked his understanding that yes, things will get messy, but we can still strive for the positive.

I was delighted when he won the primary. I watched anxiously as we approached Election Day, and started to relax as I saw the red/blue map redrawn in part. A popular win as well as an electoral win, and a decisive one. I was happy indeed, as I believe that we have elected a president who can lead practically, delve into the complexities of issues, look ahead to the long term, and inspire us to again unite and be proud of our country, not just our party or our slice of the country's many beliefs.

I hadn't thought about the race issue other than standing against the racist/Islamic charges, as I truly believe in the man. Election night, I really started to realize that yes, of course, this has got to be a major event for black Americans, even as Obama didn't run based on race. And all those references to Lincoln in the acceptance speech--last few elections the Republicans emphasized they were the party of Lincoln, not so much this time--as well as Dr. King, and I started to appreciate the historic importance of this election beyond my own political preferences.

But today, listening to voices around the globe, I also started to realize that we have elected not only a president, but a world leader. I knew he would be more popular than Bush, that he would strive to work with other countries when reasonable, but I'm catching a glimpse of just what expectations people have for this new president. We also talk about, carelessly really, America as the "leader of the free world," but this time we've actually elected such a world leader.

Many, many problems stand in the way of progress, of course. But I believe we have found a leader up to the task, able to build for the long term, capable of careful consultation with others of the same ilk. I know others don't always share these beliefs, but at least a number of them have made clear they will stand behind their new president and work together as we can, and that's the start of a nation and a world that can start to first believe and then realize--yes we can.

Tim




kdsub -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:43:40 PM)

Hi stella

A black President could not be elected in the US simply because he is black...The majority of non-blacks voted because of his views in spite of his color. I do believe a very large portion of blacks voted because he was black AND had their views...but I can understand that..I do however think if it were a black Republican they would be more divided in their voting.

As far as gay marriage, at least in California, it was the black vote...70% for and the Hispanic..over 50 percent for... that passed the bill... I was very surprised when I read this. You would think with their experience with prejudice they would have been more understanding.

Butch




popeye1250 -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 4:52:01 PM)

Stella, is this another "feel good" thread?
Did you have a question?




Irishknight -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 5:08:31 PM)

MM, I agree with most of what you said.  I disagree with the statement that we have elected a world leader.  Change that to "potential world leader" and I'll agree with you 100%.  The future has yet to be written but it seems to have great potential.  Let us all hope that our new president and we ourselves live up to that potential.




Musicmystery -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 5:16:38 PM)

Irish,

Agreed.

Tim




MzMia -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 5:54:16 PM)

stella, another great thread!
Of course President elect Obama was not chosen because

of his skin color.
He was elected because the American people felt he was THE
best candidate for the job.
 
The fact that he happens to be a Black American, makes this a historic event.




DesFIP -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 6:47:35 PM)

Actually Stella, some days I think it's too much to expect most people to think period. Forget about thinking inclusively.
I find most people just respond based on beliefs inculcated or by emotions. True cogitation is very rare.




OneMoreWaste -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/6/2008 7:21:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b
This is not something I feel which is exclusively American, it isn't, but an issue which can be found anywhere you go in this world and irrespective if who you are and where you come from I am asking the same question. Is it really too much effort for people to start thinking inclusively?

Your thoughts and comments please.



Two days before the election I stopped to use the restroom at a gas station just outside the capitol of one of the original 13 colonies. When I closed the stall door behind me, I saw the words DIE NIGGER DIE cut into the back of it in jagged four-inch-tall letters.

At the end of the day, every political entity is made up of individuals, and a surprising number of them tend to prefer inclusion in a self-defined group to inclusion in "everybody". I think the only way to change that is to either make everyone the same, or raise the average so high that no one has a gripe to blame on *them* (whoever "they" may be for the individual in question).

Either one is a fair trick.




pahunkboy -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:07:37 AM)

crude stuff is always wrote on bathroom walls.      the globalism component tho- is sobering.  we produce NOTHING in the US.  NOTHING.   we manage stuff,  more to the point, mismanage stuff.

DIE GLOBALISM DIE!   I want the nation state back.    has nothing to do with Obama. I heard on terry gross NPR, that all sorts of new bail outs are needed.

I, my freind am STUPID. I just dont get it.  The fake monetary system is collapsing.  The claims can NEVER be repaid. 

We produce NOTHING.      is that a great power?  one that produces NOTHING?       everything you see in the room you are now in, WHO PRODUCED IT?         You have to go back 100 years... my old colonial house.  the ornate wood carvings.   THAT was our hey day.  WE made things, WE produced.    Many of the old houses built by Americans will outlast the new stuff.

When the final grain of sand falls thru the time glass,  where will you get your stuff from?   

Do you really trust a heart valve made in China or by Walmart?   How about a nuclear reactor valve same question?

So - how do we measure it?  by who has a big bomb?    who makes the stuff for the bombs?  do we in America?  NOPE.

We produce nothing.

time to turn back the damage  of globalism.




cpK69 -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:16:17 AM)

Hello! My name is Kim. I'm an Earthling. Nice to meet you!!




kittinSol -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:33:03 AM)

Are you sure about that? You're sending green vibes, what with the writing and the avatar and all...




DarkSteven -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:35:30 AM)

The media is being ridiculous.  They keep emphasizing that America has elected its first black President, as though it's a big deal.  The polls have shown that the voters didn't care about is race.  The people have gotten past race - why can't the media do that?




camille65 -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:46:51 AM)

Because it is a big deal.




cpK69 -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:47:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Are you sure about that? You're sending green vibes, what with the writing and the avatar and all...


Note I said Earthling, not human. Earth has green. [:D]
 
Kim




DesFIP -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 7:57:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cpK69

Note I said Earthling, not human. Earth has green. [:D]
 
Kim


Can we take guesses as to your species? My vote is for broccoli.




cpK69 -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 8:02:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Can we take guesses as to your species? My vote is for broccoli.


Sure, but your guess is wrong. I eat broccoli, and am not a cannibal…. [:'(] Or is that a vegannibal?
 
Kim




stella41b -> RE: Humanity and inclusivity are not difficult concepts to learn. (11/7/2008 12:23:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OneMoreWaste

quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b
This is not something I feel which is exclusively American, it isn't, but an issue which can be found anywhere you go in this world and irrespective if who you are and where you come from I am asking the same question. Is it really too much effort for people to start thinking inclusively?

Your thoughts and comments please.



Two days before the election I stopped to use the restroom at a gas station just outside the capitol of one of the original 13 colonies. When I closed the stall door behind me, I saw the words DIE NIGGER DIE cut into the back of it in jagged four-inch-tall letters.

At the end of the day, every political entity is made up of individuals, and a surprising number of them tend to prefer inclusion in a self-defined group to inclusion in "everybody". I think the only way to change that is to either make everyone the same, or raise the average so high that no one has a gripe to blame on *them* (whoever "they" may be for the individual in question).

Either one is a fair trick.



Ah but this is my point, I'm not looking for utopia. That great brotherhood of man is never going to happen and I realise that. But there's much to be said from being inclusive when it comes to the many options but then making informed choices on the basis of those options, and this is what it's about for me - informed choices.

Globalism isn't working, political correctness never worked, just as the One True Way will never work. I don't stand by these things, I'm an individual in my own right and I accept that everyone else is too. And this includes the person who wrote 'DIE NIGGER DIE'.




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