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Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 8:32:54 AM

Musicmystery

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The Electoral College doesn't actually meet; each state sends its results to the sitting Vice-President.

Yup. It all goes to Dick Cheney.

Also----

In some states, if there's a tie in the state, the state legislature and/or governor choose.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 8:37:30 AM

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 8:46:24 AM

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 8:48:03 AM

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See, there ARE worse choices than having the Electoral College.

Who knew?

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 8:49:39 AM

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Hi Master Tim,

Scary indeed....but scarier still, if McCain wins that means that Palin will be the one in charge..

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 9:04:13 AM

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 9:06:35 AM

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Hi Master Tim,

Scary indeed....but scarier still, if McCain wins that means that Palin will be the one in charge..

phoenix

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 11:18:48 AM

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Remind me again why we vote every four years for a person who is appointed by someone we had no hand in selecting.

H.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 11:23:13 AM

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Damned if I can figure.

Didn't used to be that way, and the thinking (I'm speculating, vs. having researched it) I guess was that this would help create more of a team----previous vice-presidents and presidents hated each other. In the 2000 election, for example, Gore would have remained as Vice President.

But it does seem a lot of power carelessly awarded, especially given McCain's capricious pick.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:04:11 PM

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I don't think it'll get that far.
I think Texas Tech's upset yesterday is an omen for tuesday.
All or most of the Network "polls" are predicting an Obama win, the only true "poll" will come on tuesday!
Let's see how wrong all those "polls" were.
Why the Networks are trying to influence people is anyone's guess.
I think Americans like "Mavericks."

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:10:01 PM

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Damned if I can figure.

Didn't used to be that way, and the thinking (I'm speculating, vs. having researched it) I guess was that this would help create more of a team----previous vice-presidents and presidents hated each other. In the 2000 election, for example, Gore would have remained as Vice President.

But it does seem a lot of power carelessly awarded, especially given McCain's capricious pick.

The more I live here, the more I'm amazed at how indirect American 'democracy' truly is. Why don't they do away with this Electoral College thing altogether? It needs to go. There's a painful need to standardise voting methods (make every ballot a scannable paper ballot throughout all states); standardise voter's registration (throughout all states); and make sure everyone has the ability to cast their vote on time (throughout). Personal observation: it really looks to me like too much power has ended up in the hands of too few people, especially in the past few years. Time to democratise this anarchic mess.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:11:48 PM

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Yeah, I agree.

I'm hearing about Obama leads, but the truth is, it's close.

So whatever your position, folks, VOTE!

(Even third party---it's not "wasted," as it helps parties meet ballot/funding requirements/improvements)

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:14:54 PM

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So Dubya cheated at Yale College AND the Electoral College?

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:16:49 PM

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lol

Well, Al Gore had to certify the 2000 election....

But geez, seems W could have earned better grades!

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:18:05 PM

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The Electoral College doesn't actually meet; each state sends its results to the sitting Vice-President.

Yup. It all goes to Dick Cheney.

Not entirely accurate. "All" of it does not go to the VP. The electors make multiple copies of the Certificate of Vote, and one copy is sent through certified mail to the President of the Senate, ie the VP of the U.S. It's just a copy, and there are several other copies. So Dick Cheney can't pull a sneaky, conspiratorial trick of skullduggery. So relax, there is nothing scary going on.

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Also----

In some states, if there's a tie in the state, the state legislature and/or governor choose.

Yeah, so what? If there is no candidate with a majority of electoral votes at the national level, the House of Rep's decides. Likewise, the Senate decides the VP if no VP candidate gets the majority of votes.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:20:10 PM

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The more I live here, the more I'm amazed at how indirect American 'democracy' truly is. Why don't they do away with this Electoral College thing altogether? It needs to go. There's a painful need to standardise voting methods (make every ballot a scannable paper ballot throughout all states); standardise voter's registration (throughout all states); and make sure everyone has the ability to cast their vote on time (throughout). Personal observation: it really looks to me like too much power has ended up in the hands of too few people, especially in the past few years. Time to democratise this anarchic mess.

Can you give me one reason why those in power would want to follow your advice?

H.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:20:33 PM

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The mechanics of the electoral college may be a little archaic, but the basic premise is a good on.

The whole idea of the electoral college is to maintain a vestage of state authority over federal authority.
In a strict popular vote, your vote counts as one amongst the entire nation. In the electoral system, your vote counts as one vote amongst your state - and the system set up by the state dictates how the electors' votes will be delegated.

In (I think) 48 of the states, it is a 'winner take all' scenerio - where the popular vote WITHIN EACH STATE dictates who all of that states electoral votes go to. In the remaining two states, the electoral votes can be split - but the beauty of the system is that each state gets to decide for themselves how to allocate the electoral votes.

In a country with an every increasing federal government that continues to encroach upon state and local authority, I am glad for the electoral system - though I agree it could use an overhaul!

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:23:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HunterS

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The more I live here, the more I'm amazed at how indirect American 'democracy' truly is. Why don't they do away with this Electoral College thing altogether? It needs to go. There's a painful need to standardise voting methods (make every ballot a scannable paper ballot throughout all states); standardise voter's registration (throughout all states); and make sure everyone has the ability to cast their vote on time (throughout). Personal observation: it really looks to me like too much power has ended up in the hands of too few people, especially in the past few years. Time to democratise this anarchic mess.

Can you give me one reason why those in power would want to follow your advice?

H.

No, I'm afraid I can't.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:27:24 PM

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Likewise, the Senate decides the VP if no VP candidate gets the majority of votes.

Not so.

H.

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RE: Here's a scary thought----- - 11/2/2008 12:37:08 PM

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The mechanics of the electoral college may be a little archaic, but the basic premise is a good on.

The whole idea of the electoral college is to maintain a vestage of state authority over federal authority.
In a strict popular vote, your vote counts as one amongst the entire nation. In the electoral system, your vote counts as one vote amongst your state - and the system set up by the state dictates how the electors' votes will be delegated.

In (I think) 48 of the states, it is a 'winner take all' scenerio - where the popular vote WITHIN EACH STATE dictates who all of that states electoral votes go to. In the remaining two states, the electoral votes can be split - but the beauty of the system is that each state gets to decide for themselves how to allocate the electoral votes.

In a country with an every increasing federal government that continues to encroach upon state and local authority, I am glad for the electoral system - though I agree it could use an overhaul!

This is just not so.
All the electoral college does is allow the power structure to appoint whom they choose to be president.
A simple direct election of the president would accomplish all that you say the electoral college does only without the possibility of fraud and would make the statistical odds of a tie non existant.

H.

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