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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 4:43:25 AM   
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LOL....you never forget much do you young lady?....

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 4:46:09 AM   
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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 5:44:09 AM   
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Thank you Greedy.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 6:22:52 AM   
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Could you try placing the new cat's photo on ebay or craig's list and see if someone will adopt him, even if the transport costs must be handled somehow?  Probably not until he's got a clean bill of health from the vet, but still, it'd be one way of placing him without just giving up.


We're going to take all of them to the vet and get them neutered and dewormed and whatever and try to find suitable homes for them.  We're not giving any of them away until we've had them fixed.  Now that I've named them and have hung out with them for a while I've become rather attached to them and really don't like the idea of sending any of them away.  I'm guessing I'll feel differently about it once the tuxedo cat officially joins the family (he's still lurking around outside).  I'm sure I'll feel differently when the next one shows up and we've got five.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 6:59:08 AM   
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They aren't always dumped. All too often this is the result of people allowing their animals out in an unfenced yard.


When I lived in town I always assumed that the strays that came to my house were someone's pet that had wandered off.  I'm pretty sure the ones I'm getting now were dumped.  I live in the middle of nowhere, on a lightly traveled and secluded gravel road a short drive from town.  My nearest neighbors (other than my daughter's family) are half a mile away.  One is a trucker who's rarely home and has no pets and the others have dogs, which explains why the dumped cats come to my house rather than going to theirs.  I'm sure that some of the feral cats I've seen around here wandered over from a nearby farm, but the well-socialized kittens had to have been dumped. 

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 7:00:43 AM   
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This really hurts, DesFIP.  To me, horses are somehow more deserving of care than almost any other animal.  Why isn't this in the news?  Why don't I see anything about it on the Animal Channel?  Are there any groups working on the problem?
 
I agree with you; animals as a whole will likely suffer more and more as the meager support and protection we afford them now shrinks and stressors brings out the nutter or the desparate in more owners.
 
Sad times ahead.
 
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The animal groups are the ones that caused the problem.
Premarin for HRT requires pregnant mares. After breeding the mares were of no use and were formerly sent to slaughter houses and the meat sold overseas.

With no slaughterhouses or sale for the meat, there is nothing to do with the unwanted horses.

People with backyard ponies can't afford to pay their mortgage, they leave their homes and the ponies are left there.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 7:12:57 AM   
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if you have a farm and can afford to do so, it is a good thing to register with the local animal shelter/Humane Society to take abused horses until a new home can be located.
We have done this several times...keeping two horses because i could not bear to part with them.


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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 7:50:38 AM   
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Silver you are a special woman, and the cat world knows it and spreads you name among them.  Dogs and cats do that to me...sigh.

One thing I do recommend for every pet owner.. RFID tag them. Collars and tags can be lost when an animal is..an RFID tag isn't and nearly every pound and Vet scans for them. It is one way to insure they come home again and yes the registration address can be updated if you move.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=68130 and http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/officers-find-dead-sick-horses-in-n-texas-field?page=29 show what happens when people don't care or take care of their horses. Donations help to cover the vet bills to try and recover these animals, if you don't have a farm and can offer to care for them, you can board them at a stable and care for them there as well if you are qualified by the prevailing agency in charge of the case. They do require one HELL of a commitment however as they need smaller, more frequent feedings in the beginning, may and usually do have skin, hoof and dental problems as well as worms that can't be treated until they are stronger and healthier.

If you have a feral cat colony near you there is still something you can do to help them as well.. http://www.feralcat.com/ is a good source for information on how to handle them, and help them, they can also link you with agencies in your area. Check in your area, they help with humane traps, inoculations and spay neuter for ferals which can then be released since many are untamable.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 8:01:20 AM   
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blessings on you, Mme...

I believe that those who dump their pets shoudl be stripped naked, dropped in an extremely remote area without ANY supplies, and left to fend for themselves.


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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 8:03:29 AM   
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...and I'm not terribly happy about it.  Yes, this is a bit of a rant.  I'm frustrated.

He's a 3-4 month old kitten that someone dumped out in the country and who found his way to my house.  He's solid black with gold eyes - really beautiful - and incredibly friendly with a purr like a cement mixer.  We've named him Boo, since he found us a week before Halloween.  He has health problems - we'll need to get him to the vet and get him treated for worms, mites and god knows what all else.  He has nice litter box manners, which is a definite plus, and loves just about anyone and anything, but his bedtime manners leave something to be desired.  He seems to think that 4 AM is a great time to wake up and pet the kitty.

I was hoping that in a few years I'd be cat-free.  I've had my cats Bill and Bob for 16 years.  Bob died a few years ago, and I don't expect that Bill has more than another 5 years or so in him.  I was kind of looking forward to being catless.  While I really enjoy them (before finding my hubby, my plan for retirement was to be a crazy old spinster with a house full of cats), I've developed a moderate allergy to them so petting and playing with them isn't an entirely pleasant experience.  I've also had my fill of cleaning the cat box.  And I really wanted to select my next carpeting without worrying about how it will handle hairballs and cat-spew.

We have 3 cats.  In addition to Bill and Boo, there's Bucky.  Someone dumped him out here late last winter.  The feral cats that were hanging around at the time (they were once someone's pet but have gone wild since they were dumped) wouldn't let him into the warm places.  I was working hard to ignore him, but during an early spring storm he was huddled on the steps covered with a layer of ice and snow.  I wasn't going to take him in - I still had this picture of a cat-free future in my head - but I wasn't committed to that and my hubby couldn't stand it and went and got him.  Bucky was 3-4 months old when we took him in, so we've committed to a cat-infested life for the next 15-20 years.  With that in mind, it wasn't that tough to make a concurrent commitment to Boo. 

I've found homes for at least a dozen dumped and friendly cats and their offspring since we've been out here in the country.  I've got no one who'll take any more, and none of the local shelters will take them.  A local cat shelter closed recently, so there are lots of cats around here looking for homes.  This has put us in a heck of a spot.  What do you do when some sweet-natured starving animal runs up to you begging for affection?  I tried to be hard-hearted, but I'm just no good at it.  We decided that we'd take in those cats that came up and asked us to, but now that we've got 3, we're wondering how many we can actually handle.  Three is seeming like a lot of cats.  Bill's demands for affection seemed to increase when Bucky moved in, Bill and Bucky both are having issues with Boo's ultra-affectionate nature and need more attention.

We decided to live with 3 cats for a while and see how it works.  Unfortunately, there is a new player in the drama.  I was out on the back porch tonight calling Bucky in for the evening and a beautiful tuxedo kitty came running up to me from the garden.  He's about 6 months old or so, extremely friendly, and very skinny.  Someone dumped him out here.  I fed him - I couldn't help myself - so I've pretty much committed us to taking him in.  Boo's not going to care, but Bill and Bucky are going to be pissed off.  Particularly Bill.  He feels that he is an alpha cat but had to suppress that while he lived with Bob, who dommed him something fierce.  He was really digging up on being an only cat and resents the recent additions to our household.

I hope that some karma will be visited upon these low-life scum-sucking jerks who feel that dumping their unwanted pets in the country is a fine and dandy thing to do.  My folks taught me that getting a pet was a long-term commitment not to be undertaken lightly.  It frustrates me no end that I am being put in the position of having to fulfill the commitment these irresponsible strangers made to these cats or let the poor beasts become sick or starved and die.  If they can survive in the wild they'll be killing the chicks of the wild turkey and pheasant that nest around here, and I don't want that.  The animal control folks have told me that I can expect more of this as the economy worsens.  People who can't afford to keep their pets or have to move and can't find a place that takes pets, and can't afford what the shelters charge to drop them off will be dumping them off on the doorsteps of the shelters or out in the country. 

We'll vet and neuter the cats we get and I guess we'll try to find homes for whichever of them someone will take so that we'll have room to take in the next cats that get dropped off.  I guess I'll be dealing with cats for the rest of my life.  The hubby just came home and I let him know that our cat population is going to be increasing by one.  He let out an exasperated sigh and bowed to the inevitable.  So now we're discussing our possible future as an ad-hoc cat shelter.  It will mean inconvenience and construction and expense we don't really want to take on and finding a vet who's willing to give us a group discount, and a time commitment from us for daily kitty affection.

I really do enjoy the kitties but I really resent being put in this position by irresponsible assholes.


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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 8:50:23 AM   
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blessings on you, Mme...

I believe that those who dump their pets shoudl be stripped naked, dropped in an extremely remote area without ANY supplies, and left to fend for themselves.


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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 9:45:27 AM   
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blessings on you, Mme...

I believe that those who dump their pets shoudl be stripped naked, dropped in an extremely remote area without ANY supplies, and left to fend for themselves.


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good call.



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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 10:03:30 AM   
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i'm one of those suckers that can't pass by an animal in need - as it sits, i'm owned by 4 dogs and 4 cats - and they were all adopted. The last 3 additions were this summer. Right before Father's day, the local news did a story on how the shelters were becoming overburdened with the economy - people having to turn animals in because they could no longer afford to care for them. Stupidly, i looked online and found the most adorable face ever and decided to drive the hour to the Humane Society to check into her. It took me 6 hours to adopt her as they had the zoning ordinances for surrounding townships and mine only allows someone to own 3 dogs apparently. i managed to convince them that i qualified as a kennel as i live on 10 acres. i think they finally relented because they knew they'd get stuck with her - at the time, she was about 100#'s of slobbery Neopolitan Mastiff mix who was about 30#'s underweight. She also had absolutely NO manners. C'mon, not many people go to the shelters to adopt dogs such as her. So, after driving all the way back home, loading my 3 dogs into the car and driving back so they could all meet, i loaded all 4 into the car for the return trip. Today, she's a clean, 110# happy girl with a whole bunch of manners. There are days when i wonder wtf i was thinking - such as everytime i forget to pick my slippers up and she carries them into the living room to drool all over them - but i'm glad i was able to save a dog that probably would have been euthanized otherwise. Then we made the mistake of visiting a farm and ended up bringing home 2 more kittens... can you say glutton for punishment??? lol

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 5:41:45 PM   
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i'm one of those suckers that can't pass by an animal in need - as it sits, i'm owned by 4 dogs and 4 cats - and they were all adopted. The last 3 additions were this summer. Right before Father's day, the local news did a story on how the shelters were becoming overburdened with the economy - people having to turn animals in because they could no longer afford to care for them. Stupidly, i looked online and found the most adorable face ever and decided to drive the hour to the Humane Society to check into her. It took me 6 hours to adopt her as they had the zoning ordinances for surrounding townships and mine only allows someone to own 3 dogs apparently. i managed to convince them that i qualified as a kennel as i live on 10 acres. i think they finally relented because they knew they'd get stuck with her - at the time, she was about 100#'s of slobbery Neopolitan Mastiff mix who was about 30#'s underweight. She also had absolutely NO manners. C'mon, not many people go to the shelters to adopt dogs such as her. So, after driving all the way back home, loading my 3 dogs into the car and driving back so they could all meet, i loaded all 4 into the car for the return trip. Today, she's a clean, 110# happy girl with a whole bunch of manners. There are days when i wonder wtf i was thinking - such as everytime i forget to pick my slippers up and she carries them into the living room to drool all over them - but i'm glad i was able to save a dog that probably would have been euthanized otherwise. Then we made the mistake of visiting a farm and ended up bringing home 2 more kittens... can you say glutton for punishment??? lol


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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 6:23:13 PM   
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A lot of these people will actually take them to a shelter first, and when they here that there is a possibility the animal will be euthanized (one of the shelters I worked for took in over two hundred animals a day) they call the shelter workers murderers and decide that it is more "humane' to dump the animal on its own. Yes, it is much more humane to make them suffer, starve, get run over if there lucky, or in the city I worked in, be picked up and tortured or used as a bait animal for dog fights, as opposed to leaving them in the hands of caring people that will feed them, care for them, sometimes showing them the only affection they have ever been given, and then gently fall asleep. Much more humane to just dump them.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/1/2008 10:12:30 PM   
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Well, not sure where you are, but around here we call the shelter (Animal Control) and they pick them up for adoption. I am pretty sure they keep them around for months on end or until adopted (unless sickly).

Not sure of the laws in your town/city but maybe get involved in the entire process from top to bottom and find out how you can prevent your (and other's) the distress from finding all these homeless kittens. Get informed on animal rights laws and legislations in your area and if they are not adequate, rally others get them changed. Taking in a few strays a year quietly is only a band aid solution for what seems (in your area) to be a major problem.


I thought they kept animals turned in for at least seven (7) days but learned otherwise again last December.  I was checking the door at the office at 3:00 am on a very busy street when there was a non stop howl followed by something climbing me like a tree.  The climber was a  black kitten ; black nose and four white feet.  I did not know what to do with the howling crying animal so I copped out and took it home.  The next day I needed help getting it near the car but finally got the kitten to the humane society.  I told them that after the waiting period I might be interested in adopting the animal.  The animal control officer said that I had better take it back right then because it might not be there in 7 days.  I  thought she was referring to someone else adopting it but she made it clear that the "not being there" was as in dead.  My friend said that we would be back in three days and she responded that was probably too late.  When she finally said that one night would probably  find the kitten dead my friend blew and I ended up getting him and the kitten out of there before they both were incarcerated.  The law says 7 days but they do not care.    This also happened to my father about 25 years earlier.  His beagle had broken loose; was turned in that day; was sent to medical testing that night.  The dog was supposed to be kept 7 days and had a license on him.  We never saw the dog again. My father left the house every night for the next 2 weeks.  On the third week I read a headline in the press.     The animal control officer had been arrested; convicted;  and then lost his lucrative job.  Then, the animal control officer was incarcerated for 30 days  as the deputy chief  screamed something about his beagle being kidnapped.  I later saw an interview where the county sheriff explained how he and the deputy chief of police had staked out the facility for two weeks in order to catch the animal control officer breaking the law again.  The judge  incarcerated the officer which was unheard of in those days.   Unfortunately the old line cops are gone and I do not have that kind of power.  However, after $500 in medical I do have an adorable kitten named Annabelle.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/2/2008 12:23:15 AM   
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Good job Lorr.  Apparently Michigan shelters euthanize within 24hrs.

My cat is from a lady in Michigan who rescues them there and dropped him on the way to a friend who works in a Shelter up here (Canada). 

The law here is sufficient enough for me.  Most if not all animals are only veteranarian euthanized if there is undue stress or pain.

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/2/2008 5:45:18 AM   
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It's ironic in a way.  You're either an animal person, or you're not an animal person.  Me - I can't seem to Escape being an animal person.  MmeGigs, I understand your frustration at having that momentary dream of a pet-free zone shattered far to well.
 
A few of months ago - I had to have my dog, Griz, put down due to it being the humane thing considering his age and illness factors.  I swore when I had that done that there would be no animals in my home for a good long time - I would be a pet-free zone.  I didn't want the expense of feeding, or the vet bills, or the constant drool and hairballs.  I didn't want the Responcibility that comes with having an animal companion.  HA!  That resolve lasted for less than a month, before I could no longer stand the unremitting "quiet" of the petless house, and the lack of animal companionship which has been part of my life since I was a toddler.
 
I ended up taking the 3 mile drive to the larger of the two shelters near my home.   I was only gonna go look - maybe sit and pet some of the cats and dogs, then come home after getting a "fix" that way.  Didn't work.  I was there for 5 hours, roaming amongst the 8 glass walled cat rooms, sitting on the floor in each one and letting the cats themselves decide who I would and would not pet.  Ended up going back to the next-to-last room a second time, where two of the cats had curled up Together on my lap, growling at any others who thought to come investigate the human.  One was an all black long haired neutered male, the other was a light grey & cream tabby short haired spayed female - named Blackie and Smokie respectively by the shelter staff.  I couldn't help myself, and decided that I was going to bring blackie (now renamed Merlin) home with me.  I went up front with his card, paid the adoption fee, got the carrier out and went back into the room for him - and just couldn't leave smokie (now renamed Stormy, to account for her sometimes volatile temper lol) behind either.  They both went into the carrier, I went back to the desk, filled out the paperwork on her - and ended up with 2 cats from going to get a quick "fix" for my animal addiction.  So much for MY pet free home.
 
Merlin and Stormy hadn't been with me more than 3 weeks when I went to the store, and a gal was out front with a basket full of  8 week old kittens trying to find homes for them.  Being the sucker that I am - I just Had to stop and look at them on my way in.  (DOH!)  I managed to tear myself away so I could go in and get what I was after - cat food and kitty litter, wouldn't ya know? - and told myself firmly that I absolutely did NOT need another animal.  Period.  Wasn't gonna happen.  Yeah right.  I come outta the store, she's got 3 of the 7 kittens still in the basket, and is explaining to someone that if she doesn't find homes for all of them before she goes home, they go to the shelter the next day.  (DOH again!)  2 females, 1 male left - all utterly adorable.  The male - now Fritz - ended up coming home with me.  Fortunately he's settled in since then as though he were born here.  Stormy pretty much adopted him - and even though he's now getting close to 5 months old, still allows him to try and suckle every now and then.  (Must be frustrated maternity in her lol.)  Fritz and Merlin chase each other through the house, playing tag (and playing "Let's see how long it takes to frustrate mom to the point of snarling at the pair of us, while we mock battle and sound like we're killing each other."
 
According to a few of my close friends in my area - I'm rapidly turning into the neighborhood "crazy cat lady."  I have more use for my cats than I do for young humans.  I tend to leave bowls of food out for any neighborhood strays.  I frequently go for days at a time not having anything to do with the rest of humanity except via the computer - and that's by choice.  As often as not, when my neighbors Do see me, it's while I'm either packing or unpacking the car from going to a RenFair type function, or while I'm in Ren constuming due to going to a monthly meeting with the Ren group I'm in locally.  (hence the "crazy" part of that "crazy cat lady" thing lol.)  Ohhhhhh yeah - I can definately see myself as an asocial old woman surrounded by 60 or 70 cats in a few more years...

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RE: I have a new family member - 11/2/2008 10:57:07 AM   
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It's no excuse and I find animal dumping deplorable, but a lot of people don;t stop to think about it, and assume an animal can find food and water all by themselves in the out door enviroment so no harm in leaving them to run free.


I have always been the type to help out an animal, sometimes walking miles an miles in one cause before I caught her. I've called animal control 3 times for loose animals needing help.

I found a perfectly sweet pit bull roaming our streets and called animal control and they wouldn't even try to fix her up and adopt her since she had strange growths on her body, infact at firstI thought she was a he, since the growth looked like a penis from far away, was probably about 6 years old and was a pit bull. They put her to sleep right away.

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A lot of these people will actually take them to a shelter first, and when they here that there is a possibility the animal will be euthanized (one of the shelters I worked for took in over two hundred animals a day) they call the shelter workers murderers and decide that it is more "humane' to dump the animal on its own. Yes, it is much more humane to make them suffer, starve, get run over if there lucky, or in the city I worked in, be picked up and tortured or used as a bait animal for dog fights, as opposed to leaving them in the hands of caring people that will feed them, care for them, sometimes showing them the only affection they have ever been given, and then gently fall asleep. Much more humane to just dump them.

Jack asses.


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