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FullfigRIMaam -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 12:12:38 PM)
Harsh response for someone who probably agrees with your position?! [8\|]... M

Mercnbeth -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 12:13:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic just round up all the homeless, deadbeats, users, losers and welfare peeps and non taxpayers, home forclosure and bankrupt people and kill em....then you can not worry about anyone taking YOUR money....ever. I really think that is wrong. They should only have to live with the consequences of their actions - why do you want to take away the life they've earned?

BitaTruble -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 12:20:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth However, I think its a parents responsibility to feed their children NOT the governments. We do not share in the belief of enabling a parent to abdicate that responsibility. I think of all those who don't have parents .. perhaps because of AIDS, accidents, what have you and if there is no one to speak for, protect or defend them, then the government should step in. They still need food, clothing, medical care, housing etc and I'm okay with having wages taxed to help pay for the helpless. I think most people are okay with that as well. So, there's a line and where that line is drawn should be done logicially but tempered with compassion. MMV

Lucylastic -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 12:21:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam Harsh response for someone who probably agrees with your position?! [8\|]... M I apologise, it was not meant for you, my bad in not making that clear. [&o] Im angered at the need to bash up the poor, who have very little to do with the goddamn mess facing the world, except for not "succeeding". I know many people who have fallen on hard times thru no fault of their own, been there and done that myself, a couple of times. I honestly do not believe that there is so little compassion in the US and so much blame on the poor and working poor. but it keeps coming up over and over again and quite honestly, it makes me sick. But then Im just a stupid socialist again my apologies Full Im going to go and relax for a while:) Lucy

BlackPhx -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 1:06:06 PM)
Frankly I agree with you to some degree Mark..IF Obama can deliver on even TWO of the things he has talked about as well as a better image for the US overseas, he will have done well. While it is nice to say it doesn't matter how the U.S. or it's President is perceived overseas the reality is it does matter when it comes to the Economic Market and Trade, when it comes to Allies and support, and in keeping our embassy's and People safe when traveling. We are not so big that we can just bully people into working with us or agreeing with what we try to do..Diplomacy is an important part of the Mix that makes the world work (peacefully), and for diplomacy to work, we have to at least not be so hated they turn their backs automatically. If he can get the economy moving along with helping to make health care affordable, then I for one would be happy with his legacy. I recognize that No matter what the President wants to do, he does it hand in hand with Congress and in conjunction with Business, the Electorate and the rest of the World. Our economy does not exist in a vacuum, and Our Stock market affects Markets around the world and vice versa. When it suffers like it has been doing, so do they. Its going to take the entire Administration as well as the other leaders to get things moving again. Health insurance has gotten out of hand. Master is covered under his job, but frankly the deductible is so dayum high he has YET to qualify for them to pay anything out. Unless he lands in the hospital, they will just keep collecting money for pretending to cover him. We can't afford for me to be covered by his insurance and his Company refuses to cover more than $500 a month per employee..the employee pays for family. If I didn't have my own health insurance through Medicare Advantage, we would be living on the streets, trying to afford my medications and doctors. I am one of the lucky ones.. there are a great many who just can't get or afford health insurance and this includes not only the elderly and handicapped, but the family, the self employed and the guy at Burger Thing. Do I expect him to deliver everything in 4 years? Nope, Not in 8 either, this is going to be a slow turn around, it took a long time to put us in this slide, it isn't going to be cured over night. I would just like to see it get started. poenkitten

DarkSteven -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 1:35:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Maybe - however based upon his campaign platform I'm sure he'll have a tax payer funded government bail out ready for his failure; especially if he gets a party majority in Congress. Failure is to be rewarded isn't it? Only successes earn the scorn of Obama and his constituency. Huh? We've just had a tazpayer funded government bailout of the Bush economy. Ya wanna wait till the guy's even talen office before you talk about his failures? And after the last eight years, I'd love to see anything that counts as a success. You can look at two messy wars, one of which we have yet to have any explanation for, an economy that is oin the brink of recession/depression, sharply curtailed individual freedom, Katrina, etc. One huge disaster.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 3:59:59 PM)
I just want to say, before anyone asks me.... If elected, I will not accept the nomination.

Kirata -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 4:34:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver assuming he gets elected, has he set himself up to fail? He may have just set himself up to fail before he gets elected... "The reason that we want to do this, change our tax code, is not because I have anything against the rich," Obama said in Sarasota, Fla., yesterday.... "John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this [tax plan] socialistic," Obama continued. "You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness." If people who have honest doubts about the merit or practicality of his tax plan feel that they've just been branded "selfish" for holding a view of it less rosy than his own, that's going to hurt. K.

tweedydaddy -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 4:38:52 PM)
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz I do try to stay awake, this election is fascinating stuff, let's see it's a good looking young former goat herder against Mr Burns, hmm zzzzz zzzz zzzz

atursvcMaam -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 5:22:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam quote: ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam i guess i could be a complete idiot, if there weren't a few pieces missing. Thank God for the freedom to say what we believe, even if it makes one look like an a disabled person with a short attention span, or is that attention deficit disorder? M i'm not exactly sure about that one. i humbly suggest that you be careful when you ask him. he, or his supporters are likely to call you a racist, or if you make national press, will examine all of your orifices(sp?) with a microscope. My attention is fine, thanks. As they used to say in Chicago, Vote early and Vote often.

bestbabync -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 7:20:20 PM)
i am not selfish! i just want to keep the money i earn, so i can make my mortgage, my car payment and have a little to go on vacation etc. i have raised 2 children, both in college and have their own lives now. i worked hard everyday to support my family. Bita, you are a smart lady, but i gotta say this. i was one of the people you describe a kid left without parents, my father died when i was three and my mother barely in the picture. i was raised by an elderly grandmother and i started my first job when i was 13 years old. i have worked almost everyday since. i appreciate all that i have and my accomplishments mean so much. what will this generation and the next appreciate and or take pride in if they are never held responsible for their own success or failure?

BitaTruble -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 7:49:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync Bita, you are a smart lady, but i gotta say this. i was one of the people you describe a kid left without parents, my father died when i was three and my mother barely in the picture. i was raised by an elderly grandmother and i started my first job when i was 13 years old. i have worked almost everyday since. i appreciate all that i have and my accomplishments mean so much. what will this generation and the next appreciate and or take pride in if they are never held responsible for their own success or failure? I'm not quite sure I'm following your question. What are you advocating we do with our orphans .. those kids who don't have an elderly grandparent to take care of them, make sure they are clothed, fed, educated, get proper medical care etc.?

bestbabync -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 7:53:38 PM)
i really did not have a question Bita. i just do not always see government as the answer for support etc. but sure if they absolutely do not have extended family capable to care for them, then the state government not federal should take up the torch. [:D]

BitaTruble -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 8:30:25 PM)
I do understand the concern of a tax-payer in Wisconsin not wanting to take on the burden of an orphan in Minnesota. Some of my federal dollars go to build bridges in MN (and we really do have a need for them here) .. but some go to build bridges in other states as well. These are places that will benefit from the building of bridges even though I may never visit those places. One day that future tax-payer is going to be paying taxes that may benefit me even if I don't live in their state, so I do see it as federal as opposed to state. I guess I have an issue with a burden being put onto the taxpayer simply because of incidental birthplace. That orphan is a US citizen first and, eventually, will be a citizen of which ever state they may choose to call home. I definitely see the argument on the other side though.

bestbabync -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 8:39:33 PM)
[:D]i believe that the orphan would more than likely be better taken care of by smaller government. you and i may possibly agree that the feds have a tendency to not fair so well working with the innocent. jmho

BitaTruble -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 8:43:28 PM)
I'm not a proponent of smaller government or larger government .. just better government. I think that means sometimes we need more government and sometimes we need less and when it comes to personal, consensual, intimate relationships .. zero government works for me. [:)]

Kirata -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 10:04:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata "The reason that we want to do this, change our tax code, is not because I have anything against the rich," Obama said in Sarasota, Fla., yesterday.... "John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this [tax plan] socialistic," Obama continued. "You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness." If people who have honest doubts about the merit or practicality of his tax plan feel that they've just been branded "selfish" for holding a view of it less rosy than his own, that's going to hurt. Here comes the pain "McCain outpolled Obama today, 48% to 47%. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters." K.

rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 10:24:13 PM)
I just not going to file taxes anymore. And I bet obama gets bored in 2 years and starts looking for something else to do, it seems to be his pattern in my eyes, him jumping around and non stop "campaigning" 2 years before the damn election. I don't think he is anything like JFK, I don't see a new great society or whatever. I see a damn glacier that's the current state of america grinding his rosy future into the ground and carrying the detriuos to the sea of oblivion. it takes more than one man and a "super-majority" of his compatriots to stop a glacier. Plus their party added to it, they have a great many layers in its frozen depths. so picture a huge glacier, moving and creeping along demolishing the hopes and dreams of a once great nation, but in its wake, leaving a fresh new path. Some of us are already behind the glacier, rebuilding and replanting this great land, but this election is not about the trail of the glacier, but the promise of "change" the course of the glacier. You can't. Gravity, inertia, and sheet mass prevent it. This will all be a speed bump in its path, a hill to be ground down, crunched into boulders, then smaller boulders and rocks, then pebbles and sand. And thats what will remain of either man who is running dreams. ....nothing but sediment being deposited onto the sea floor of historical oblivion. That makes perfect sense to me btw. And no I am not a McCain fan I am pissing my vote away and voting for bobb barr.

bestbabync -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 10:31:46 PM)
rex you are not pissing your vote away! by voting Libertarian this time, you are helping to keep that 3rd party on your states ballet. i voted Libertarian as well! kisses!

rexrgisformidoni -> RE: Has Obama set himself up to fail? (10/31/2008 10:33:47 PM)
I'm just doing it to piss off my class mates. I think they were surprised I didn't want to vote like them.

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